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Underdog · 04-10-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Portland lost its composure from the top down, and Dallas didn't. The Mavs could have gone into conniption fits on several occasions, too, but they didn't. And I really like that -- it's something that has long been a weakness of this team, and it's the sort of resolve that they have to have to win in hostile environments.

Two words: veteran team.

jthig32 · 04-10-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

In fairness, he did point what I thought was the larger story (at least as far as the officiating went): Portland lost its composure from the top down, and Dallas didn't. The Mavs could have gone into conniption fits on several occasions, too, but they didn't. And I really like that -- it's something that has long been a weakness of this team, and it's the sort of resolve that they have to have to win in hostile environments.

Definitely agree with this. The Mavs, historically, are generally the team that's losing their composure. Very refreshing to not see them lose it last night.

But fwiw, I do think that the officiating was about as bad as you'll ever see it. I thought a couple of the T's Portland picked up were terrible decisions by the refs (especially the one Fernandez got). Beyond that, whether it was the fault of the refs or the crowd, that place had a crazy vibe in the second half last night, and I absolutely think it was a central story line to the game.

Murphy3 · 04-10-2010, 06:40 PM

I don't think he was making excuses in Portland after the game. I do believe that he was making some excuses for Portland in game which prompted what he wrote later and after the game.. He caught himself and had to backtrack a bit.

Murphy3 · 04-10-2010, 06:42 PM

Amazing that someone is so freaking scared to post what they think ....so they hide behind a tag.

Regardless, the reason why it appears that he was whining is clear.. Why wouldn't someone think that the guy is making excuses for the Blazers when he goes out of his way not to give credit where credit is due with regards to the HUGE road win for the Mavs..

chumdawg · 04-10-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

1. If Hollinger thought that was the worst officiating he's ever seen, I have to question how much hoops he has watched. Sure, there were some bad/missed calls, but give me a break.

How quickly could you come up with three games that were officiated worse?

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2. Why is Hollinger horrified by officiating? Did he mean to say "horrible" instead of "horrifying"? Either his command of the English language is not that impressive or he's easily frightened.

Let me get this straight. You think "horrible" has nothing to do with horror?

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3. How was the officiating the "main story" of the game?

It's never the main story of the game, because possessions ending in fouls are never more than possessions in general.

EricaLubarsky · 04-10-2010, 07:38 PM

Hollinger's East
1- Orlando
2- Cleveland
3- Hawks
4- Celtics
5- Miami
6- Charlotte
7- Bucks
8- Indiana
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9- Toronto

Hollinger's West
1- Utah
2- San Antonio
3- Phoenix
4- Portland
5- Denver
6- Los Angeles (LAL)
7- Oklahoma City
8- Dallas
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9- Houston

xrobx · 04-10-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

How quickly could you come up with three games that were officiated worse?

here's four, the 2006 nba finals games 3, 4, 5, and 6. wow, that was hard.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-10-2010, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Hollinger's East
1- Orlando
2- Cleveland
3- Hawks
4- Celtics
5- Miami
6- Charlotte
7- Bucks
8- Indiana
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9- Toronto

Hollinger's West
1- Utah
2- San Antonio
3- Phoenix
4- Portland
5- Denver
7- Los Angeles (LAL)
8- Oklahoma City
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9- Dallas

Who's #6?

EricaLubarsky · 04-10-2010, 07:45 PM

fixed. oops

Usually Lurkin · 04-13-2010, 08:11 PM

well, Hollinger is sitting pretty now. It's looking like Mavs v. Spurs for the first round, which is the comparison that buttered his bread a couple a years ago. The beautiful thing this year is that the Spurs are way higher in his rankings (2nd v. 13th). So if the Spurs win, he gets to send a big "nyah, nyah!" to all of us who have complained about the Mavs being ranked so low for so long. OTOH, the really super beautiful part of it is that although the Spurs have a score of 106.7, the Mavs have a score of 102.5. So if the Mavs win, he can say that his formulation gives the home team 5 extra points, so that he was actually predicting a Mavs win in the series.

As always, I don't care about the math. Math is math. But it really irks me that he will get to use his statistics to say that his prediction was correct - no matter what the outcome is.

LonghornDub · 04-13-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Hollinger's West[/B]
1- Utah
2- San Antonio
3- Phoenix
4- Portland
5- Denver
6- Los Angeles (LAL)
7- Oklahoma City
8- Dallas
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9- Houston

Golly, I hope the Lakers can beat Phoenix in the first round without home court.

dirno2000 · 04-14-2010, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

well, Hollinger is sitting pretty now. It's looking like Mavs v. Spurs for the first round, which is the comparison that buttered his bread a couple a years ago. The beautiful thing this year is that the Spurs are way higher in his rankings (2nd v. 13th). So if the Spurs win, he gets to send a big "nyah, nyah!" to all of us who have complained about the Mavs being ranked so low for so long. OTOH, the really super beautiful part of it is that although the Spurs have a score of 106.7, the Mavs have a score of 102.5. So if the Mavs win, he can say that his formulation gives the home team 5 extra points, so that he was actually predicting a Mavs win in the series.

As always, I don't care about the math. Math is math. But it really irks me that he will get to use his statistics to say that his prediction was correct - no matter what the outcome is.

He uses 3.5 for home court advantage so as of tonight the Spurs would still be the pick to win the series. Like you said this will be the true test. 3 beating 1 doesn't mean much to me but 13 beating 2 would be hard to rationalize. That's an average team beating an elite team.

Sportstudi · 04-14-2010, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

He uses 3.5 for home court advantage so as of tonight the Spurs would still be the pick to win the series. Like you said this will be the true test. 3 beating 1 doesn't mean much to me but 13 beating 2 would be hard to rationalize. That's an average team beating an elite team.

I'm sure Trollinger will find a secret formula to make it not an upset, because it would ruin his personal karma.

xrobx · 04-14-2010, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

well, Hollinger is sitting pretty now. It's looking like Mavs v. Spurs for the first round, which is the comparison that buttered his bread a couple a years ago. The beautiful thing this year is that the Spurs are way higher in his rankings (2nd v. 13th). So if the Spurs win, he gets to send a big "nyah, nyah!" to all of us who have complained about the Mavs being ranked so low for so long. OTOH, the really super beautiful part of it is that although the Spurs have a score of 106.7, the Mavs have a score of 102.5. So if the Mavs win, he can say that his formulation gives the home team 5 extra points, so that he was actually predicting a Mavs win in the series.

As always, I don't care about the math. Math is math. But it really irks me that he will get to use his statistics to say that his prediction was correct - no matter what the outcome is.

if you guys would remember his article from about a month ago, he said he would pick the mavs to beat the spurs in a series, although he also said he would pick every other team including the bobcats and bucks over us

Usually Lurkin · 04-14-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

He uses 3.5 for home court advantage so as of tonight the Spurs would still be the pick to win the series. .

Great! I will be perfectly justified when I egg his house after the Mavs win.

dirno2000 · 04-14-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by xrobx

if you guys would remember his article from about a month ago, he said he would pick the mavs to beat the spurs in a series, although he also said he would pick every other team including the bobcats and bucks over us

That was before the Spurs rose to #2 in his rankings. I'm pretty sure he'd pick them now.

xrobx · 04-14-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

That was before the Spurs rose to #2 in his rankings. I'm pretty sure he'd pick them now.

still doesn't change the fact that he said

Would I take Dallas to beat them in a series?
Yes, especially if it started today. Tony Parker is the one problem matchup for Dallas, and he's out for the next six weeks. Even with Parker, I'd be inclined to take Dallas because the Spurs don't match up well defensively against Dirk Nowitzki, and the Mavs beat San Antonio in five games last year. Dallas also has won two of three meetings this season, making it seven of nine going back to last March.

so he's effectively covered his ass and will use that so no matter what the result is he won't look bad

GermanFan · 04-14-2010, 11:27 AM

am i missing something ?

Why is Parker out he played against Minnesota and Hill too

*websearch*

xrobx · 04-14-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GermanFan

am i missing something ?

Why is Parker out he played against Minnesota and Hill too

*websearch*

that post was from about a month or so ago from hollinger back when we were on the win streak

dirno2000 · 04-14-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by xrobx

still doesn't change the fact that he said

Would I take Dallas to beat them in a series?
Yes, especially if it started today. Tony Parker is the one problem matchup for Dallas, and he's out for the next six weeks. Even with Parker, I'd be inclined to take Dallas because the Spurs don't match up well defensively against Dirk Nowitzki, and the Mavs beat San Antonio in five games last year. Dallas also has won two of three meetings this season, making it seven of nine going back to last March.

so he's effectively covered his ass and will use that so no matter what the result is he won't look bad

At some point over the next couple of days he's going to make a prediction on this and every other series. If she says Spurs in 6 and they lose he's not going to go back and say "but I picked the Mavs a month ago".

George Gervin · 04-14-2010, 12:39 PM

fyi.

he was the only person to pick the mavs in 5 last year.. using his stats

SMC0007 · 04-14-2010, 12:44 PM

Who gives a dern come to mind when I see this thread

Dirkadirkastan · 04-14-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by George Gervin

fyi.

he was the only person to pick the mavs in 5 last year.. using his stats

False. He was one of four analysts to pick them in 6. Nobody had them in 5.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009...avericks-spurs

sike · 04-14-2010, 09:35 PM

screw Hollinger

ShaggyDirk · 04-14-2010, 09:42 PM

screw giving a frack about what other people think of our team.. I'm tired of the bitching about the bitching about the bitching..

LonghornDub · 04-14-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by George Gervin

fyi.

he was the only person to pick the mavs in 5 last year.. using his stats

His stats also picked Blazers in 6 over the Rockets. Lol.

chumdawg · 04-14-2010, 09:51 PM

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His stats also picked Blazers in 6 over the Rockets. Lol.

I was noticing how your boy Stein came up awfully short--on "eyeballs and brains," as it were--a couple years ago:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ge=Smackdown08

Just one point better than Jalen Rose, to avoid the cellar? Ouch.

Usually Lurkin · 04-15-2010, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I was noticing how your boy Stein came up awfully short--on "eyeballs and brains," as it were--a couple years ago:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ge=Smackdown08

Just one point better than Jalen Rose, to avoid the cellar? Ouch.

Hollinger, on the other hand, beat out Kevin Pelton and Henry's mom.

grp05 · 04-15-2010, 01:54 AM

nm

LonghornDub · 04-15-2010, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I was noticing how your boy Stein came up awfully short--on "eyeballs and brains," as it were--a couple years ago:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ge=Smackdown08

Just one point better than Jalen Rose, to avoid the cellar? Ouch.

Well it's a damn good thing I never said that predominately subjective analysis like Stein's is always right, then. A damn good thing.

chumdawg · 04-15-2010, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Hollinger, on the other hand, beat out Kevin Pelton and Henry's mom.

And Stein by a damn sight. Even with Stein's "eyes and brains."

Usually Lurkin · 04-15-2010, 07:11 AM

Dallas beats a team ranked 11 spots ahead of them, and their score drops in Hollinger's system

Usually Lurkin · 04-15-2010, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

And Stein by a damn sight. Even with Stein's "eyes and brains."

I don't know. To me, that has very little to do with whether John Hollinger is a boob.

xrobx · 04-15-2010, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

At some point over the next couple of days he's going to make a prediction on this and every other series. If she says Spurs in 6 and they lose he's not going to go back and say "but I picked the Mavs a month ago".

looks like you were right, hollinger picked spurs in 6. i guess so much has changed in the last month like the spurs losses to the nets and grizzlies to change his mind about the mavs beating them in a series.

girlwonder · 04-15-2010, 09:55 AM

Hollinger has picked the Lakers to beat OKC, yet OKC is a slot above the Lakers in his rankings. Same goes for Boston/Miami, he picked Boston over Miami, yet Miami ranks one slot higher....granted the teams are close in the rankings and he picked both series to go to 7 games, but if his almighty rankings show that one is better than the other, why doesn't he pick that way?

Underdog · 04-15-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by girlwonder

Hollinger has picked the Lakers to beat OKC, yet OKC is a slot above the Lakers in his rankings. Same goes for Boston/Miami, he picked Boston over Miami, yet Miami ranks one slot higher....granted the teams are close in the rankings and he picked both series to go to 7 games, but if his almighty rankings show that one is better than the other, why doesn't he pick that way?

Because Hollinger is a little bitch.

(according to my numbers...)

dalmations202 · 04-15-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Because Hollinger is a little bitch.

(according to my numbers...)

I think your numbers are correct UD...........

particleman · 04-15-2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Because Hollinger is a little bitch.

(according to my numbers...)

This.

But also Hollinger takes home court advantage into account. Keep in mind that his predictions would be quite different if these games were all played on neutral courts.

Nowitzki4President · 04-15-2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by particleman

This.

But also Hollinger takes home court advantage into account. Keep in mind that his predictions would be quite different if these games were all played on neutral courts.

I hate that neutral court BS. Theres's no such thing, and never will be such a thing as a neutral court. This isn't football with the Super Bowl. Basketball is a sport of emotion and momentum, and the fans are just as much a part of that as the players, so taking the games to a "neutral court" is not only taking away from the higher seed who earned the right to home court, but it takes away to the game of basketball as a whole. Call em as I see em...

Budapest Maverick · 04-15-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

screw Hollinger

Finally some common sense.