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sefant77 · 10-11-2010, 08:22 PM

same old marion too, missing the inside ones

Rick41 · 10-11-2010, 08:27 PM

Just got in from work, feels awesome watching my Mavs in HD on my TV again!

Kante · 10-11-2010, 08:28 PM

Terry can´t hit anyting...

sefant77 · 10-11-2010, 08:29 PM

Did i told allready that Joey Graham is one of THE sickest guys in the league?

Rick41 · 10-11-2010, 08:36 PM

Dunk that Dirk, you're 7 ft.

Skywalker · 10-11-2010, 08:37 PM

Barea is delusional

Kante · 10-11-2010, 08:38 PM

Why did Barea go up against 2 big guys instead of pasing it out to the wide open Cardinal? Result = Turnover!

sefant77 · 10-11-2010, 08:45 PM

Bareas defense before his steal was ridiculous

jones 6:30min, Barea 14...why?

jthig32 · 10-11-2010, 08:48 PM

Cardinal's playing pretty well. He looks like a lock to make the roster at this point.

Jet's not hitting his shots, but he looks different to me this preseason. He has a bounce to his step. I think letting him run some point might have sparked him a little bit. And of course he's playing for a contract (sort of).

I think we might see a nice bounce back year from Jet.

Rick41 · 10-11-2010, 08:58 PM

The amount of bitching towards Barea is astounding.

Bayliss · 10-11-2010, 09:00 PM

Why not go ahead and play DoJo pretty much the whole half?

I thought Butler was going to be a decent player. He is pitiful. His nickname may be tough juice. But he is extremely soft. All he wants to do is shoot an 18 foot jumper even when he has the quickness advantage. And besides that jumper, he brings nothing on offense. He cannot pass very well, he doesn't dribble well.

This team has to have Roddy play a lot of minutes. He is the only one besides Dirk that the defense fears to score.

Usually Lurkin · 10-11-2010, 09:03 PM

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Cardinal's playing pretty well. He looks like a lock to make the roster at this point.

Jet's not hitting his shots, but he looks different to me this preseason. He has a bounce to his step. I think letting him run some point might have sparked him a little bit. And of course he's playing for a contract (sort of).

I think we might see a nice bounce back year from Jet.

JET's problem is that he disappears for a couple weeks at a time, too often at playoff time. We always get all high on him for long stretches during the season.

Rick41 · 10-11-2010, 09:09 PM

TC needs to chillout with the fouling. Gotta work on that.

sefant77 · 10-11-2010, 09:59 PM

"Jones not getting the calls"

sefant77 · 10-11-2010, 10:02 PM

Wow, i would be better the last two minutes than Dee Brown...

EricaLubarsky · 10-11-2010, 10:02 PM

wow stinkin it up at the end there after the strong showing in the middle of the 4th.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-11-2010, 10:10 PM

Pretty weak game, preseason or not.

jcm28 · 10-12-2010, 12:23 AM

awesome GDT. We lose again. Alas, we will still be champs and I don't care if anyone here disagrees.

LonghornDub · 10-12-2010, 02:03 AM

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awesome GDT. We lose again. Alas, we will still be champs and I don't care if anyone here disagrees.

Good post, would read again.

SMC0007 · 10-12-2010, 09:41 AM

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TC needs to chillout with the fouling. Gotta work on that.

Forget about it, Kidd can't keep up with quick guards and Dirk can't guard good PF's... Chandler is gonna foul. Both centers are gonna foul on those certain nights or it's drive kick dunk.

SMC0007 · 10-12-2010, 09:45 AM

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"Jones not getting the calls"

Yes! Jones is getting F'ed alot. I hate the officials 95% of the time. Mahinmi got hacked twice on one play down the stretch last night and no call on either. Disgusting officiating, looks kinda like if you aren't a star don't bother coming in the paint.

41mvp · 10-12-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Forget about it, Kidd can't keep up with quick guards and Dirk can't guard good PF's... Chandler is gonna foul. Both centers are gonna foul on those certain nights or it's drive kick dunk.

Agree Kidd can't keep up with quick quards because he is too old.And Mavericks will have huge problems with this.

But Dirk can't guard good PF's.He can guards good PF's.Dirk is the best PF in the league.His defence isn't the best but is good.
So I don't agree with you .

Dirkadirkastan · 10-12-2010, 11:25 AM

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Forget about it, Kidd can't keep up with quick guards and Dirk can't guard good PF's... Chandler is gonna foul. Both centers are gonna foul on those certain nights or it's drive kick dunk.

Haywood can defend without fouling.

Kidd Karma · 10-12-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Jet's not hitting his shots, but he looks different to me this preseason. He has a bounce to his step. I think letting him run some point might have sparked him a little bit. And of course he's playing for a contract (sort of).

I think we might see a nice bounce back year from Jet.

Jet's been ask to to score, and his scoring chances were from either wing spots, just park out there and stretch the defense. this year, PG's been added to his resume. I think this allows Jet to create for himself and others, it allows him to be a vocal leader from the point of attack. it's new found responsibilities that he is embracing. It's a great move by RC. For years it was just sit your self in the corner and wait for the pass.

SMC0007 · 10-12-2010, 11:47 AM

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Haywood can defend without fouling.

Whiffed on the point.

When the opposing PG and PF blow by, Chandler and Haywood are left to try and stop them. There are gonna be some fouls in that case from both centers. Sure Chandler is more foul prone than Haywood in general.

Kidd Karma · 10-12-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Whiffed on the point.

When the opposing PG and PF blow by, Chandler and Haywood are left to try and stop them. There are gonna be some fouls in that case from both centers. Sure Chandler is more foul prone than Haywood in general.

So 4 centers might just be enough fouls to throw around. We may keep Ajinca in that case, with Mahnimi being able to back up 4.

SMC0007 · 10-12-2010, 12:16 PM

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So 4 centers might just be enough fouls to throw around. We may keep Ajinca in that case, with Mahnimi being able to back up 4.

Sure. More Mahinmi please. I think he can play some 4. We need to get him playing time, just like Roddy should have had last year. Dojo, Roddy and Mahinmi need to play, they have to play.

Kidd Karma · 10-12-2010, 12:24 PM

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Sure. More Mahinmi please. I think he can play some 4. We need to get him playing time, just like Roddy should have had last year. Dojo, Roddy and Mahinmi need to play, they have to play.

Yep for the sake of our starters. The Great coaches have always trusted their role players, Rivers, Jackson, Riley, sure they had studs, HOFers to get them there, but relegating them to quality minutes meant trusting a bench that had experienced everything during the regular season.

wilmtalk · 10-12-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 41mvp

Agree Kidd can't keep up with quick quards because he is too old.And Mavericks will have huge problems with this.

But Dirk can't guard good PF's.He can guards good PF's.Dirk is the best PF in the league.His defence isn't the best but is good.
So I don't agree with you .

I agree with you 41mvp. Dirk is underated as a defender. Players get steriotyped early on and it sticks with them. The talking heads who anounce games perpetuate the steriotype. I have seen players with reps who play terrible D but still are refered to as good defenders and shot blockers long after that skill or desire is gone. Dirk did not play good defense early in his carreer. He is now a good defender but does not get much credit from the national media.

One of the reasons is that because he plays so many min and is essential to the Mavs offense he has to be carefull about fouls and conserving energy. Watch him at the end of close games and you will see him play defense differently. He is not a leaper but prefers to strip the ball low from the defender. His quickness is an asset when he defends off the dribble. He was often used to guard and disrupt Nash. What other PF or most small forwards would even attempt that? People might be better served if they actually watched the games objectively instead of looking through their preconcived seriotypical glasses.

SMC0007 · 10-12-2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wilmtalk

I agree with you 41mvp. Dirk is underated as a defender. Players get steriotyped early on and it sticks with them. The talking heads who anounce games perpetuate the steriotype. I have seen players with reps who play terrible D but still are refered to as good defenders and shot blockers long after that skill or desire is gone. Dirk did not play good defense early in his carreer. He is now a good defender but does not get much credit from the national media.

One of the reasons is that because he plays so many min and is essential to the Mavs offense he has to be carefull about fouls and conserving energy. Watch him at the end of close games and you will see him play defense differently. He is not a leaper but prefers to strip the ball low from the defender. His quickness is an asset when he defends off the dribble. He was often used to guard and disrupt Nash. What other PF or most small forwards would even attempt that? People might be better served if they actually watched the games objectively instead of looking through their preconcived seriotypical glasses.

fluid.forty.one · 10-12-2010, 07:01 PM

Hate to agree with SMC but lol.....

Sure, Dirk on Nash was by design. By Phoenix's design.

CadBane · 10-12-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Forget about it, Kidd can't keep up with quick guards and Dirk can't guard good PF's... Chandler is gonna foul. Both centers are gonna foul on those certain nights or it's drive kick dunk.

That's weird, I don't remember PF's hurting us last year. Gasol certainly didn't. Duncan was only mediocre against us. Same with Bosh. In fact, Dirk had the largest differential between opposing PFs in the NBA.

CadBane · 10-12-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wilmtalk

I agree with you 41mvp. Dirk is underated as a defender. Players get steriotyped early on and it sticks with them. The talking heads who anounce games perpetuate the steriotype. I have seen players with reps who play terrible D but still are refered to as good defenders and shot blockers long after that skill or desire is gone. Dirk did not play good defense early in his carreer. He is now a good defender but does not get much credit from the national media.

One of the reasons is that because he plays so many min and is essential to the Mavs offense he has to be carefull about fouls and conserving energy. Watch him at the end of close games and you will see him play defense differently. He is not a leaper but prefers to strip the ball low from the defender. His quickness is an asset when he defends off the dribble. He was often used to guard and disrupt Nash. What other PF or most small forwards would even attempt that? People might be better served if they actually watched the games objectively instead of looking through their preconcived seriotypical glasses.

Very intelligent post. Unfortunately that won't get you too far here...in fact, it might even get you banned.

SMC0007 · 10-13-2010, 12:01 AM

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That's weird, I don't remember PF's hurting us last year. Gasol certainly didn't. Duncan was only mediocre against us. Same with Bosh. In fact, Dirk had the largest differential between opposing PFs in the NBA.

Welcome back

41mvp · 10-13-2010, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wilmtalk

I agree with you 41mvp. Dirk is underated as a defender. Players get steriotyped early on and it sticks with them. The talking heads who anounce games perpetuate the steriotype. I have seen players with reps who play terrible D but still are refered to as good defenders and shot blockers long after that skill or desire is gone. Dirk did not play good defense early in his carreer. He is now a good defender but does not get much credit from the national media.

One of the reasons is that because he plays so many min and is essential to the Mavs offense he has to be carefull about fouls and conserving energy. Watch him at the end of close games and you will see him play defense differently. He is not a leaper but prefers to strip the ball low from the defender. His quickness is an asset when he defends off the dribble. He was often used to guard and disrupt Nash. What other PF or most small forwards would even attempt that? People might be better served if they actually watched the games objectively instead of looking through their preconcived seriotypical glasses.

This is good post.You have absolute right.He must care about his fouls trouble.So he can't play well in D.He is our important weapon in offensive.So his D isn't the best because he must care about his fouls situation.

Dirkadirkastan · 10-13-2010, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Whiffed on the point.

When the opposing PG and PF blow by, Chandler and Haywood are left to try and stop them. There are gonna be some fouls in that case from both centers. Sure Chandler is more foul prone than Haywood in general.

Whatever porous defense you claim we have, Haywood still isn't racking up the fouls. Chandler isn't excused here.

rabbitproof · 10-13-2010, 07:50 AM

Dirk is not a great defender. He's decent, even slightly above average but he's not great.

And get that put Dirk on Nash strategy out of there. That made me laugh out louds.

SMC0007 · 10-13-2010, 10:57 AM

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Whatever porous defense you claim we have, Haywood still isn't racking up the fouls. Chandler isn't excused here.

Very similar on fouls last year and for their careers. Whats your point here?

CadBane · 10-13-2010, 03:32 PM

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Whatever porous defense you claim we have, Haywood still isn't racking up the fouls. Chandler isn't excused here.

Chandler picks up a lot of silly fouls. I will say in his defense, refs seem to, and I noticed it last year as well, be pretty quick with the guy. He gets called for some iffy fouls that a lot of centers get away with. Problem is, he puts himself in that situation a lot of the time.

wilmtalk · 10-13-2010, 08:12 PM

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Dirk is not a great defender. He's decent, even slightly above average but he's not great.

And get that put Dirk on Nash strategy out of there. That made me laugh out louds.[/QUOTE

If you were referring to my post- I also said he was a good defender. I did not say he was great. My referance to his D on Nash was to point out his skill set against the dribble in which a lot of big men have almost none. Dirk is a unique player who has different skills than most big men. He is not really a power player and most people see that. this is why it is important that the Mavs have a good post defender to complement him.He is however not given credit for the skills that he does possess which compensate for his lack in this regard. He might even be able to develop that aspect it just doesn't make sense in relation to his essential role to the offense to risk the potential fouls.
He also is a good off the ball defender often challenging shooters on the corners. What other big man does that. As to Nash I have seen him get burned by him. I have also seen him be effective in stopping Nash's ball movement with his height. my point was not how well he did against him but that he was often given the opportunity to do so which speaks to his off the dribble defensive skills.

My comment on the talking head game announcers do not only apply to their additude to Dirk but to other players as well. Dirk is only the example we are discussing here. There is much more to playing good D than blocked shots. Sometimes you get blocked shots because people challenge you more often. Also in the post what is your effective defensive range. How far out from the basket docan you effectively challange the offense. I have seen so called good shot blockers not challenge the offense away from the basket because some times when you do that you are off balence and you might look bad. So to protect their reputations they limit their effective range.