GDT game 74 - Mavs (31-42) at Pelicans (31-43) 7:00 FSSW - Page 2 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-29-2017, 08:57 PM

So Crawford can just offensive foul willy nilly I see. Typical refs.

Skywalker · 03-29-2017, 09:05 PM

Pelicans might find a way to lose this one

NeedlesKane · 03-29-2017, 09:14 PM

The Mavericks don't look like they want to win this one, but they want to let us know that they can.

I like how they're tanking it. They will be really good next year. We've got Barnes, Matthews, Barea, Curry, and Powell locked up for now. I love how we have the rights on Nerlens Noel. He's a keeper. I think Harris is a terrific value, and we should pick up his team option. We should also keep Yogi Ferrell, Nicolas Brussino, and Finney-Smith. I don't think we should bother keeping AJ Hammons or Jarrod Uthoff unless we just need to fill the last two roster spots. Also we need to sign Dirk. He wants one more season. Let's give it to him. May the end of one great player's legacy start with another's, our rookie that we draft next year.

Edit: I really hope we keep Salah Mejri too. I'm excited to see how Noel and Mejri play together. We need a guy who can do some things off the bench but not take too many minutes away from Noel. We don't need a problem like they had in Philly.

Skywalker · 03-29-2017, 09:22 PM

Of course a scrub goes off against us

BPo001 · 03-29-2017, 09:25 PM

That last possession was terrible, but I'll take the loss.

Skywalker · 03-29-2017, 09:25 PM

What the fuck was that shit

Underdog · 03-29-2017, 09:26 PM

Matthews for the win/loss!!!

Bryan_Wilson · 03-29-2017, 09:26 PM

Good Job Wes.

Skywalker · 03-29-2017, 09:27 PM

Were we out of timeouts? If not that's a clear sign the tank is on

NeedlesKane · 03-29-2017, 09:27 PM

Very good loss. I'm proud that we can lose like this.

Underdog · 03-29-2017, 09:28 PM

@mavsmoneyball: Dirk! Dirk! He's our man! If he can't do it that's ok we need a better draft pick anyway.

Bryan_Wilson · 03-29-2017, 09:29 PM

Jokes aside Curry needs to do something better than dribble the clock under 4 seconds and give it to Wes in a late clock situation expecting him to create something.

Underdog · 03-29-2017, 09:31 PM

The Worst Call Of The Season Resulted In Four Mavs Technicals And An Ejection

CGM · 03-29-2017, 09:32 PM

yahyes · 03-29-2017, 09:33 PM

Too late to get a top 5 pick? Not that a top 10 will be bad. That'll be a solid too.

EricaLubarsky · 03-29-2017, 09:33 PM

Hard-fought, close losses are the single best thing the team can have

yahyes · 03-29-2017, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CGM

Foreshadowing advice for the Mavs front office on not to ruin their draft pick Portland style.

yahyes · 03-29-2017, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Hard-fought, close losses are the single best thing the team can have

Nobody got hurt. Which also helped showed we might not need to draft a PG after all.

Underdog · 03-29-2017, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

Too late to get a top 5 pick? Not that a top 10 will be bad. That'll be a solid too.

Well, our odds are better than getting into the playoffs... But it's probably not happening unless Rick pulls our starters for the rest of the season -- we'd need to tank HARD to get there.

yahyes · 03-29-2017, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Well, our odds are better than getting into the playoffs... But it's probably not happening unless Rick pulls our starters for the rest of the season -- we'd need to tank HARD to get there.

I think 7 is best Mavs can get. That would be a fun pick to roll with. Perhaps use it to trade up with Boston to get the number 1 pick? Think of the possibilities.

yahyes · 03-29-2017, 09:40 PM

I think we move on with Harris after this year.

yahyes · 03-29-2017, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Well, our odds are better than getting into the playoffs... But it's probably not happening unless Rick pulls our starters for the rest of the season -- we'd need to tank HARD to get there.

It's showing Mavs are coasting their way into games now. Even Carlisle leaves Noel resting. That's good enough for next season.

Underdog · 03-29-2017, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

I think 7 is best Mavs can get. That would be a fun pick to roll with. Perhaps use it to trade up with Boston to get the number 1 pick? Think of the possibilities.

Technically speaking, we can still finish with a pick anywhere from #4 to #17... But #7 to #11 is probably a more realistic range at this point.

@thesmokingcuban: Mavs 8 opponent mindsets remaining

MEM-Trying hard
MIL-Trying hard
SAC-lol
LAC-Trying hard
SA-Trying?
PHX-lol
DEN-Trying
MEM-last game

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-29-2017, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

I think we move on with Harris after this year.

Harris has actually been playing really well lately and was ejected because the refs called an inexcusably bad foul on him when Crawford laid him to the floor.

EricaLubarsky · 03-29-2017, 10:30 PM

We just stole 9th from them. Nice. Next stop 8?

Wolves 1.5 games ahead
Kings 2.0 games ahead

Couple of losses combined with wins for them could get us to 8

mac222b · 03-30-2017, 12:24 AM

Also the Hornets won which is good for us. They are now 3 games up on us I think?

EricaLubarsky · 03-30-2017, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Also the Hornets won which is good for us. They are now 3 games up on us I think?

Im way more interested in the teams below us.

mac222b · 03-30-2017, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Im way more interested in the teams below us.

As am I. But before they won last night they were only two games ahead of us- inverse of Wolves and Kings. If they'd lost they be 4 games back of a playoff spot and all but eliminated. They were essentially the last team with more wins that could end up with less than us.

yahyes · 03-30-2017, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Technically speaking, we can still finish with a pick anywhere from #4 to #17... But #7 to #11 is probably a more realistic range at this point.

@thesmokingcuban: Mavs 8 opponent mindsets remaining

MEM-Trying hard
MIL-Trying hard
SAC-lol
LAC-Trying hard
SA-Trying?
PHX-lol
DEN-Trying
MEM-last game

Tank them all. It's time to try something bold in this draft.

j0Shi · 03-30-2017, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

The Worst Call Of The Season Resulted In Four Mavs Technicals And An Ejection

Always have to giggle about the fact that "NBA refs have it tough." Make such a call in euro soccer and you're pretty much done.

FreshJive · 03-30-2017, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

We just stole 9th from them. Nice. Next stop 8?

Wolves 1.5 games ahead
Kings 2.0 games ahead

Couple of losses combined with wins for them could get us to 8

56m
Eddie Sefko‏ @ESefko
Younger players are going to get a chance to play a lot later on this trip. Rick CARLISLE said he will rest vets 1 of b-2-b games in Cali.

Hopefully it's the Kings.

sefant77 · 03-30-2017, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

I think Harris is a terrific value, and we should pick up his team option.

Picking up his option would be a stupid move. The second we pick up his option 4.4m cap space goes into the toilet.

Decline the option and sign him for his 2.3m vet minimum and have a winkie winkie deal that he gets a job with the organisation and that he dont need to be pissed over this 2m.

And btw Harris cant be pissed anyway because he has the toe of a 80y old. Since his return to Dallas he missed like 1/3 of the games. But DO NOT throw away 4.4m cap space so 35y old Harris can earn 4.4 instead of 2.3m million...

Melonhead · 03-30-2017, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Picking up his option would be a stupid move. The second we pick up his option 4.4m cap space goes into the toilet.

Decline the option and sign him for his 2.3m vet minimum and have a winkie winkie deal that he gets a job with the organisation and that he dont need to be pissed over this 2m.

And btw Harris cant be pissed anyway because he has the toe of a 80y old. Since his return to Dallas he missed like 1/3 of the games. But DO NOT throw away 4.4m cap space so 35y old Harris can earn 4.4 instead of 2.3m million...

4.4m (that he deserves based strictly on this season) isnt going to throw cap space in the toilet. Hes been for the most part really good off the bench.

Underdog · 03-30-2017, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

4.4m (that he deserves based strictly on this season) isnt going to throw cap space in the toilet. Hes been for the most part really good off the bench.

Bingo... No need to split hairs over $4.4m when the salary cap is shooting up to $103m -- it's only cutting into Dirk's payday, and I get the feeling he'd be willing to give up a little to keep Devin here.

sefant77 · 03-30-2017, 06:59 PM

it is throwing cap space away when you can simply sign him without using cap space. Would suck for Harris but thats the business.

And this 4.4m is maybe the difference between offering someone max or not. Im not giving up this chance for freaking old Harris because he would sulk and sign somewhere else. The vet min for him is rasing to 2.3m with the new cap. Throwing away 4.4m cap to pay him 2m more than with a normal vet min deal is bullshit. Its not smart. The dude has 65m career earnings in the bag and we dont own him anything. So just offer him a two year vet min deal

hayth.james.g · 03-30-2017, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

4.4m (that he deserves based strictly on this season) isnt going to throw cap space in the toilet. Hes been for the most part really good off the bench.

Why would you tie up 4 mill in cap space when you don't have to? He's been fine (when healthy), but this team is built to rebuild with hopes to splash in FA and hit the right prospect in the draft. If we were close to being a championship team then fine... But we are not.

Underdog · 03-30-2017, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

And this 4.4m is maybe the difference between offering someone max or not.

There aren't any max players available this summer... I mean, it's possible that Durant/Curry/CP3/Griffin opt out (or to a lesser extent, Hayward/Lowry/Millsap), but we'd have to move Wes/Powell to chase those guys since we basically have to max-out Noel to keep him... And do any of those guys want to play in Dallas?? Top-tier FAs weren't interested in teaming up with prime Dirk, so I doubt anyone is clamoring to play with Barnes/Noel... And I'm not about to throw max money at Teague/Hill/Holiday, especially if we're chasing PGs in the draft.

I just don't see Devin's salary keeping us from making any significant moves this summer... Really, the only legitimate argument in letting him walk is that he'd steal minutes from Curry/Yogi/draft pick (assuming we get a guard). And I think that's a fair argument to make, seeing as how we still have Barea under contract for two more seasons... But I'm just not buying the salary angle -- the $2.1m difference between his option and vet min is a drop in the bucket, easily absorbed by Dirk's willingness to play for whatever is left over.

sefant77 · 03-30-2017, 08:11 PM

Well, Teague/Hill/Holiday (aka 2nd tier FA) are going to get max. But even if we dont want them (for this numbers) this 4.4m could be the difference to get two solid guys in the 10m area. There is always the option to give out trade exceptions in a trade etc. There is just no point at all to reduce your cap just to give freaking old Devin Harris 2m more.

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Originally Posted by Underdog

the $2.1m difference between his option and vet min is a drop in the bucket, easily absorbed by Dirk's willingness to play for whatever is left over.

Again, cap wise its not a 2.1m difference, its a 4.4m difference! We are going to have the minimum cap hold for his roster spot anyway. we spend all our cap (including the additional 4.4m we gained by not picking his option) and then sign him on a free roster spot for his vet minimum amount of 2.3m.

Devin would lose 2.1m, Cuban would save and pay Devin 2.1m less but Dallas would gain 4.4m cap space to blow on free agents. Thats a significant amount.

Bryan_Wilson · 03-30-2017, 08:53 PM

Devin has a partial guarantee of $1,339,662 next year.

If we cut Devin's 4.4m contract on the books it will be
-1.3m dead money from partial guarantee
-815k rookie scale empty roster spot cap hold(if necessary)

If Devin were to be resigned to a 2.3m salary we still pay him 1.3m from his partial guarantee on top of it. Making his cap hit 3.6m. I'm bad at math but I don't see how cutting him saves us 4.4m under any scenario that isn't a trade with no money coming back.

EricaLubarsky · 03-30-2017, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Devin has a partial guarantee of $1,339,662 next year.

If we cut Devin's 4.4m contract on the books it will be
-1.3m dead money from partial guarantee
-815k rookie scale empty roster spot cap hold(if necessary)

If Devin were to be resigned to a 2.3m salary we still pay him 1.3m from his partial guarantee on top of it. Making his cap hit 3.6m. I'm bad at math but I don't see how cutting him saves us 4.4m under any scenario that isn't a trade with no money coming back.

Bazinga!