GDT Game 30 - Mavs (8-21) at Spurs (19-10) 7:30pm FSSW - Page 2 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

j0Shi · 12-16-2017, 10:49 PM

Those crunch time issues are just symptoms of a bad team. Barea and Barnes played utter trash in the last three minutes, ball never moved.

rmacomic · 12-16-2017, 10:50 PM

What in the possum-fuck was that?

Dim499 · 12-16-2017, 10:51 PM

At least when Wes takes out another 218000 Dollar game check out of his bank account he will realize he is in San Antonio and there's nothing to spend it on. So joke's on him!

BPo001 · 12-16-2017, 11:01 PM

sefant77 · 12-16-2017, 11:10 PM

So how many games we lost by 7 or less this season? 12? 13?

FreshJive · 12-16-2017, 11:11 PM

Was Harper confused about the out of bounds rules there?

sefant77 · 12-16-2017, 11:18 PM

I counted....14 games lost by seven or loss...damn thats a stressed out otter

Me.B · 12-16-2017, 11:34 PM

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Was Harper confused about the out of bounds rules there?

What exactly is the rule? If Wes is already established out of bounds wouldn’t Ginobili have been the last live player to touch the ball before it went out of bounds?

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-16-2017, 11:48 PM

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I counted....14 games lost by seven or loss...damn thats a stressed out otter

That's exactly how you should tank. Keep the games interesting, but lose in the end. Losing this one is a big step towards a nice pick.

Underdog · 12-16-2017, 11:50 PM

Underdog · 12-16-2017, 11:53 PM

So is Maxi Kleber our eventual Dirk replacement at PF?

He's everything we ever wanted in a Dirk-lite, plus defense... Like a much better Cardinal, minus the veteran savvy (at this point, anyway).

Me.B · 12-16-2017, 11:55 PM

As of right now the Mavs are back to having the second worst record. If this is where they end up in the draft I wouldn’t mind seeing Kleber playin next to Ayton.

BPo001 · 12-17-2017, 12:55 AM

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As of right now the Mavs are back to having the second worst record. If this is where they end up in the draft I wouldn’t mind seeing Kleber playin next to Ayton.

Scoobay · 12-17-2017, 01:13 AM

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As of right now the Mavs are back to having the second worst record. If this is where they end up in the draft I wouldn’t mind seeing Kleber playin next to Ayton.

This crossed my mind too. I also wonder how he’d do next to the other 2 bigs at the top of the draft... next to Bagley could he play 5? Or as the four next to Bamba.

He’s been the guy most exciting to see develop since jr has been out.

Underdog · 12-17-2017, 01:24 AM

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This crossed my mind too. I also wonder how he’d do next to the other 2 bigs at the top of the draft... next to Bagley could he play 5? Or as the four next to Bamba.

He’s been the guy most exciting to see develop since jr has been out.

Kleber is this year's Yogi.

Melonhead · 12-17-2017, 02:03 AM

WOW what happened? Watched first 3 quarters but had to go to an event. Get a text from a buddy saying suck it. How did we blow it lol

Underdog · 12-17-2017, 02:11 AM

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WOW what happened? Watched first 3 quarters but had to go to an event. Get a text from a buddy saying suck it. How did we blow it lol

Mess Wah-tthews

Underdog · 12-17-2017, 03:10 AM

@NickVanExit: #DALvsSAS 4th Quarter Stats:

Maxi Kleber
7 pts
3/3 FG
3 reb
2 blk
8:24 min

LaMarcus Aldridge
6 pts
3/7 FG
3 reb
12:13min

sefant77 · 12-17-2017, 07:56 AM

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WOW what happened? Watched first 3 quarters but had to go to an event. Get a text from a buddy saying suck it. How did we blow it lol

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Mess Wah-tthews

Mess Waaat-news

Me.B · 12-17-2017, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Scoobay

This crossed my mind too. I also wonder how he’d do next to the other 2 bigs at the top of the draft... next to Bagley could he play 5? Or as the four next to Bamba.

He’s been the guy most exciting to see develop since jr has been out.

I think Bagley is a natural 4. He also doesn’t really have the defense to play the 5 (he’s not a rim protector). I think with Bagley they would still need a big defensive 5. Which I’m ok with if it means we get Bagley. Kleber would fit best playing next to Ayton, Bamba, or even Jaren Jackson Jr who is a defensive stud.

EricaLubarsky · 12-17-2017, 12:32 PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fStlxT7SIjo

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-17-2017, 12:40 PM

I will say that Dirk has probably had a huge influence on his fellow townsman Kleber. I suppose that alone is worth seeing another season of the old fart play center next to him.

Me.B · 12-17-2017, 01:09 PM

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I will say that Dirk has probably had a huge influence on his fellow townsman Kleber. I suppose that alone is worth seeing another season of the old fart play center next to him.

No doubt about that. I also think that Kleber has kind of revitalized Dirk. I don’t think anyone really expected anything from Kleber and he has really pumped a lot of energy into this team and Dirk specifically. Dirk seeks to have a lot of pride in his hometown teammate.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-17-2017, 02:55 PM

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No doubt about that. I also think that Kleber has kind of revitalized Dirk. I don’t think anyone really expected anything from Kleber and he has really pumped a lot of energy into this team and Dirk specifically. Dirk seeks to have a lot of pride in his hometown teammate.

Is it going too far to say that Kleber is basically like having had a mid to late first round pick in this past year's draft? Perhaps even late lottery?

The only real downside is his older age at 25.

Underdog · 12-17-2017, 03:37 PM

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Is it going too far to say that Kleber is basically like having had a mid to late first round pick in this past year's draft? Perhaps even late lottery?

I wonder where both Kleber and Yogi would have gone in a do-over... We've hit on two undrafted guys two years in a row, both being thrust into starting roles, yet people still think Carlisle can't develop young players.

MavzMan · 12-17-2017, 04:29 PM

Just watched the game. Not that I truly want the win, but how the hell was that not a foul when JJB took the 3 with 50 seconds left to put us up by possibly 5 point???

Underdog · 12-17-2017, 05:25 PM

@BallinWithBryan: Take it for whatever it is worth, but the Mavs have Dennis Smith Jr. listed as a probable starter tomorrow’s game against Phoenix. He has missed the last five games due to a strained left hip.

EricaLubarsky · 12-17-2017, 05:34 PM

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@BallinWithBryan: Take it for whatever it is worth, but the Mavs have Dennis Smith Jr. listed as a probable starter tomorrow’s game against Phoenix. He has missed the last five games due to a strained left hip.

Just in time to get us a meaningless win against the Suns that will put us back to 3rd/4th

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-17-2017, 05:37 PM

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I wonder where both Kleber and Yogi would have gone in a do-over... We've hit on two undrafted guys two years in a row, both being thrust into starting roles, yet people still think Carlisle can't develop young players.

Well it's always been about players who fit Rick...guys who play defense mostly from what I'm seeing.

Kinda sad because Kleber and Noel potentially fit really well together. I wonder if that was their plan the when offering Noel that big contract.

Me.B · 12-17-2017, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Is it going too far to say that Kleber is basically like having had a mid to late first round pick in this past year's draft? Perhaps even late lottery?

The only real downside is his older age at 25.

Absolutely I think he is like having a late 1st round pick. His age is the only thing that would have kept him out of the lottery. So I agree that his age is the only real downside to Kleber.

Bryan_Wilson · 12-17-2017, 07:45 PM

He's a high 2nd to me. Just because I'm not sure the ceiling is a whole lot higher than now but the floor is at least rotation worthy.

Me.B · 12-17-2017, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I wonder where both Kleber and Yogi would have gone in a do-over... We've hit on two undrafted guys two years in a row, both being thrust into starting roles, yet people still think Carlisle can't develop young players.

Could be they’re just finding better players too. Didn’t Michael Finley take over the responsibility of bringing in players about 2 years ago? I really think he’s a big reason they have found guys like Yogi and Kleber.

Scoobay · 12-17-2017, 07:58 PM

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He's a high 2nd to me. Just because I'm not sure the ceiling is a whole lot higher than now but the floor is at least rotation worthy.

That's an interesting point... what is his ceiling?

Can defend 4's pretty well - LA is a tough match up in the post but he didn't get embarrassed and can hold his ground pretty decently.
Probably defend certain 5's and certain 3's. Decent enough foot speed (was overmatched against KD).

Seems to be a pretty good weakside shot blocker.

Has a pretty decent shot in general and surprising athleticism at times. Some of those shot blocks and dunks he's thrown down made me go "woah" - i just didn't think he could get up like that.

Maybe he can get on the Dirk "add one skill/year" train. Workout with Dirk and Holger. Even though he's 25 he's young enough to add to his game. Work on his outside shot. Develop some post-moves... the one legged fade away.

And honestly in the few games i've seen him play... do we ever run plays for him? Probably not or very few if any. Whatever he gets is just from moving around and being part of the flow. Does he have a post up game? Have they even tried him in the low or high post?

Bryan_Wilson · 12-17-2017, 08:05 PM

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That's an interesting point... what is his ceiling?

Can defend 4's pretty well - LA is a tough match up in the post but he didn't get embarrassed and can hold his ground pretty decently.
Probably defend certain 5's and certain 3's. Decent enough foot speed (was overmatched against KD).

Seems to be a pretty good weakside shot blocker.

Has a pretty decent shot in general and surprising athleticism at times. Some of those shot blocks and dunks he's thrown down made me go "woah" - i just didn't think he could get up like that.

Maybe he can get on the Dirk "add one skill/year" train. Workout with Dirk and Holger. Even though he's 25 he's young enough to add to his game. Work on his outside shot. Develop some post-moves... the one legged fade away.

And honestly in the few games i've seen him play... do we ever run plays for him? Probably not or very few if any. Whatever he gets is just from moving around and being part of the flow. Does he have a post up game? Have they even tried him in the low or high post?

Good points. If he did have a post game I'd amend my high 2nd to a late first. Heck if he continues to shoot around 45-50% from 3 like he has since his rough start then that is a late first talent also. I just think his game is a quality defender who can get buckets in the flow of an offense but not a guy you run plays for. He's a winning player though for sure, "jack of all trades master of none" player to me for now.

FreshJive · 12-17-2017, 09:08 PM

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What exactly is the rule? If Wes is already established out of bounds wouldn’t Ginobili have been the last live player to touch the ball before it went out of bounds?

If you are standing out of bounds, you are part of the out of bounds. Ball was still in bounds until it hit Matthews, so he caused the out of bounds. Until it hits something outside the line, Manu can still theoretically save it.

SMC0007 · 12-17-2017, 09:32 PM

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Is it going too far to say that Kleber is basically like having had a mid to late first round pick in this past year's draft? Perhaps even late lottery?

The only real downside is his older age at 25.

Lol. Older age of 25?! I certainly hope this isn't our new standard. That's a high bar. We can't have a roster full of 20 yr olds and expect them to win.

Underdog · 12-17-2017, 09:51 PM

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Lol. Older age of 25?! I certainly hope this isn't our new standard. That's a high bar. We can't have a roster full of 20 yr olds and expect them to win.

Yeah, isn't Harrison Barnes part of our "young core"?? He's 25 too, and it's not like Kleber is fresh out of college or something -- dude has been playing at the professional level in Europe since 2014.

Bryan_Wilson · 12-17-2017, 10:30 PM

I think by older age DH was referring to the his quality as it pertains to the draft. How many 25yr olds are drafted in the first round?

SMC0007 · 12-17-2017, 10:55 PM

Yea that makes more sense. I think i ve just read a few posters talk about mid 20's cant be part of our core going forward and it makes me wonder what vision they have.

Underdog · 12-17-2017, 11:00 PM

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I think by older age DH was referring to the his quality as it pertains to the draft. How many 25yr olds are drafted in the first round?

Yeah, most picks come out of college, not Europe, so there aren't many 25-year-olds getting drafted. Although, I guess Kleber was technically eligible for the NBA draft back in 2014 and nobody picked him, so you could say his age does play into his "redraft" value. Dude definitely isn't Dirk or Doncic, even in hindsight.