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Bryan_Wilson · 07-02-2018, 06:52 PM

JJJ with the buzzer beater.

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2018, 06:54 PM

J3 is actually looking like he could be an NBA player someday-- if only just a bigger JJ Reddick. Getting pushed around already, but his shot is money.

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2018, 07:32 PM

Jackson Jr is for real.

Dayyyyyummmm

26 points on 13 shots, 2 blocks and ZERO fouls

Bryan_Wilson · 07-02-2018, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Jackson Jr is for real.

Dayyyyyummmm

26 points on 13 shots, 2 blocks and ZERO fouls

He looks so good right now.

Bryan_Wilson · 07-02-2018, 07:35 PM

He's on fire hahahaha.

AO41 · 07-02-2018, 07:52 PM

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Doesn't look like he's gonna get a lot of burn, if any.

Yes I am assuming that Smith and Doncic wontnplag much as has been reported. Brunson should get plenty of minutes if that the case and I am not sure why but I expect him to be good.

mac222b · 07-02-2018, 08:46 PM

Happy to see DSJ and Luka especially sit tbh. Save those legs and wear and tear. Season is longgggg

mac222b · 07-02-2018, 08:47 PM

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Except it's much harder for forwards and centers than guards. Guys that control the ball shouldn't have that many issues-- particularly Young who was on a team of utter trash so he should be used to it.

He's getting destroyed on defense and he's now 0-9 (0-6 from three)

A poor mans DJ Augustine

Bryan_Wilson · 07-02-2018, 10:07 PM

Oh finally get to see Giles.

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Annnnnnnnnnd Wagner stole it from him on the first possession.

Underdog · 07-02-2018, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Oh finally get to see Giles.

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Annnnnnnnnnd Wagner stole it from him on the first possession.

lol

Skywalker · 07-03-2018, 01:23 PM

@DwainPrice: Luka Doncic said he may play one game in the summer league in Las Vegas. "It's (the Mavs') decision," Doncic said. "They said I need some rest. It's not my decision, so they'll make the decision."

EricaLubarsky · 07-03-2018, 01:26 PM

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@DwainPrice: Luka Doncic said he may play one game in the summer league in Las Vegas. "It's (the Mavs') decision," Doncic said. "They said I need some rest. It's not my decision, so they'll make the decision."

Dude wants to play!

Please be game 1. Free Luka!

EricaLubarsky · 07-03-2018, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Oh finally get to see Giles.

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Annnnnnnnnnd Wagner stole it from him on the first possession.

That team needs more "the IIIs"

I only see Bagley III and Giles III

sefant77 · 07-03-2018, 01:35 PM

And the III pick of the draft next year because they still suck

Bryan_Wilson · 07-03-2018, 06:36 PM

Trae Young looks like ass again. I didn't like him as a top 10 pick at all tbh, but he looks worse than I thought. Terrible defense, hes made maybe 2-3 passes that I honestly expect any competent pg to make and aside from that he's a black hole shooting so far. So when his shot isn't falling he doesn't even look like a NBA player.

thewizard · 07-03-2018, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Trae Young looks like ass again. I didn't like him as a top 10 pick at all tbh, but he looks worse than I thought. Terrible defense, hes made maybe 2-3 passes that I honestly expect any competent pg to make and aside from that he's a black hole shooting so far. So when his shot isn't falling he doesn't even look like a NBA player.

Yeah it's not looking good for him. You could say it's only summer league, but has anyone ever looked absolutely terrible in summer league only to be great in real games? I can't remember that ever happening. Everyone knows to take it with a grain of salt when someone dominates summer league, but what if they're terrible?

Bryan_Wilson · 07-03-2018, 06:44 PM

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Yeah it's not looking good for him. You could say it's only summer league, but has anyone ever looked absolutely terrible in summer league only to be great in real games? I can't remember that ever happening. Everyone knows to take it with a grain of salt when someone dominates summer league, but what if they're terrible?

Yeah exactly. You take the success with a grain of salt, but the epic failure? Ehhhh that can't be good.

3_Ball · 07-03-2018, 07:26 PM

Trae Young really cost himself by coming out early. He fell in love with his own headlines (and apparently so did the Hawks... Thank the Good Lord above or we wouldn't have LUKA!)… He so clearly needed more time at OU. The way he fell off a cliff during Big 12 conference play is all you needed to know.

He has talent. There's no doubt about that. Had he stayed til he was a Junior then I believe he would of developed the knowledge of how to make his game work against bigger, stronger, faster players.

As is, he'll look awful his first 2 years & by year 3 when he might start to be figuring it out, his reputation will be so horrid he'll be lucky if he gets a 10 day after the Hawks cut him.

Now, that's a lot of negative projection onto Trae Young, but I honestly feel like that's a legitimate possibility.

Dtownsfinest · 07-03-2018, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by thewizard

Yeah it's not looking good for him. You could say it's only summer league, but has anyone ever looked absolutely terrible in summer league only to be great in real games? I can't remember that ever happening. Everyone knows to take it with a grain of salt when someone dominates summer league, but what if they're terrible?

Its funny you mentioned this because I wondered this myself.....and ran into this article:

https://www.complex.com/sports/2015/...league-debuts/

Irony of it......Deandre Jordan and Wes Matthews made the list lol. Its definetly possible to suck especially if you are a jump shooter.

Dtownsfinest · 07-03-2018, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 3_Ball

Trae Young really cost himself by coming out early. He fell in love with his own headlines (and apparently so did the Hawks... Thank the Good Lord above or we wouldn't have LUKA!)… He so clearly needed more time at OU. The way he fell off a cliff during Big 12 conference play is all you needed to know.

He has talent. There's no doubt about that. Had he stayed til he was a Junior then I believe he would of developed the knowledge of how to make his game work against bigger, stronger, faster players.

As is, he'll look awful his first 2 years & by year 3 when he might start to be figuring it out, his reputation will be so horrid he'll be lucky if he gets a 10 day after the Hawks cut him.

Now, that's a lot of negative projection onto Trae Young, but I honestly feel like that's a legitimate possibility.

How did he cost himself?He was the 3rd pick in the draft.....that's ideal for him.....he betted on himself when his value was the highest.

Bryan_Wilson · 07-03-2018, 07:47 PM

2-16 from 3 and 9-36 fg so far. There is also no way he is 6'2.

3_Ball · 07-03-2018, 08:19 PM

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How did he cost himself?He was the 3rd pick in the draft.....that's ideal for him.....he betted on himself when his value was the highest.

Because if he keeps playing like he has in these first 2 summer league games & really since the non-conference section of OU's schedule, then ATL will decline his 3rd year team option. He could be out of the league with $11.5 mil as his career earnings.

If he stayed in college & came into the league when he was ready he could of eeked out a backup guard role in this league. JJ Barea did & his career earnings are over 3 times what Young will make in his first 2 years, and that was back when the salary cap was much lower.

Underdog · 07-03-2018, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Trae Young looks like ass again. I didn't like him as a top 10 pick at all tbh, but he looks worse than I thought. Terrible defense, hes made maybe 2-3 passes that I honestly expect any competent pg to make and aside from that he's a black hole shooting so far. So when his shot isn't falling he doesn't even look like a NBA player.

Imagine trading away Luka Doncic for him!

Underdog · 07-03-2018, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

How did he cost himself?He was the 3rd pick in the draft.....that's ideal for him.....he betted on himself when his value was the highest.

He was actually the 5th pick in the draft.

tap2390 · 07-03-2018, 08:27 PM

Trae Young is going to have to fight for every inch in the NBA. The difference between him and someone like DSJ is astounding. The amount of effort and dribbles it’ll take Trae to get to his spots on the floor are going to wear him down quickly.

By the way we should be rooting for Trae to succeed. Luka is going to face the same issues (albeit with a better frame).

SMC0007 · 07-03-2018, 08:49 PM

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Imagine trading away Luka Doncic for him!

Hopefully this remains the case

thewizard · 07-03-2018, 08:58 PM

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By the way we should be rooting for Trae to succeed. Luka is going to face the same issues (albeit with a better frame).

Luka has the advantage of being 6'8" though. Trae has neither elite size or athleticism to match his skill, and typically you need at least two out of the three to be successful in the NBA. That's going to be a problem.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2018, 09:00 PM

Young is going to be an amazing superstar one night and total crap the next. He is likely going to be more Monta Ellis than Steph Curry. And Monta was great esp for us, but he was cheap and drafted low. Hawks are overextending what they think he'll bring for them.

EricaLubarsky · 07-03-2018, 09:33 PM

Way too early to tell about Young’s offense, but dude is Nash minus the height on defense. Turribul. Any team with a guard is going to iso him to punish them or get the switch and put a forward on him. He’s such a huge liability

Dtownsfinest · 07-03-2018, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

He was actually the 5th pick in the draft.

Alright fair enough but had they not traded for him...he was going to be the 3rd overall pick.

Dtownsfinest · 07-03-2018, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 3_Ball

Because if he keeps playing like he has in these first 2 summer league games & really since the non-conference section of OU's schedule, then ATL will decline his 3rd year team option. He could be out of the league with $11.5 mil as his career earnings.

If he stayed in college & came into the league when he was ready he could of eeked out a backup guard role in this league. JJ Barea did & his career earnings are over 3 times what Young will make in his first 2 years, and that was back when the salary cap was much lower.

IF he's not ready now.....he wasn't going to be ready next year........his value wasn't going to be any higher than it is right now. And the Hawks aren't going to decline his 3rd year......they will either trade him first or give him time....he's far too young to get rid of at that age with how high they drafted him.

Dtownsfinest · 07-03-2018, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Young is going to be an amazing superstar one night and total crap the next. He is likely going to be more Monta Ellis than Steph Curry. And Monta was great esp for us, but he was cheap and drafted low. Hawks are overextending what they think he'll bring for them.

They thought Monta was undersized for the 2....if they knew he would be as good as he was...he wasn't going to be a 2nd rounder....probably top 10 in that draft.

I don't see Monta. Monta was pretty solid for his size in physique. I Just don't see Trae getting bigger and being able to attack like Monta. THe guy can pass the ball. He's going to be much better around a better supporting cast.

3_Ball · 07-03-2018, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

IF he's not ready now.....he wasn't going to be ready next year........his value wasn't going to be any higher than it is right now. And the Hawks aren't going to decline his 3rd year......they will either trade him first or give him time....he's far too young to get rid of at that age with how high they drafted him.

Um... #1 The Magic just declined Mario Hezonja's team option, and he was drafted at #5 overall, just like Trae Young was. It does happen, pretty much every time you do not perform.

I like your posts, every other one I've read seems very logical & exactly like what I would of said, at least some element of it. But, I'm at a loss for words here on failing to see the idea of progressing skills.

You seem to think value & ability are the same thing. Yeah, Young's value was high & he cashed in (Edit: what it means, actually, is the Hawks FO can't evaluate talent). It doesn't mean he was ready for the NBA. If we're judging by his first 2 summer league games, he's not ready.

So, if you're not ready for the NBA, what do you usually do? You stay in school and hope to develop your skills. Pretty much a tried & true method for college basketball players for... well forever really. I mean, what if Mikal Bridges came out after his freshman year? He would of went undrafted & wound up playing in some Mexican league off the coast of Guadalajara. Instead, he stayed in school and developed into an NBA player.

Why do you think that same path wasn't available to Trae Young? Why do you think if he's not ready now, he wouldn't be ready in 2 more years?

tap2390 · 07-03-2018, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 3_Ball

Um... #1 The Magic just declined Mario Hezonja's team option, and he was drafted at #5 overall, just like Trae Young was. It does happen, pretty much every time you do not perform.

I like your posts, every other one I've read seems very logical & exactly like what I would of said, at least some element of it. But, I'm at a loss for words here on failing to see the idea of progressing skills.

You seem to think value & ability are the same thing. Yeah, Young's value was high & he cashed in (Edit: what it means, actually, is the Hawks FO can't evaluate talent). It doesn't mean he was ready for the NBA. If we're judging by his first 2 summer league games, he's not ready.

So, if you're not ready for the NBA, what do you usually do? You stay in school and hope to develop your skills. Pretty much a tried & true method for college basketball players for... well forever really. I mean, what if Mikal Bridges came out after his freshman year? He would of went undrafted & wound up playing in some Mexican league off the coast of Guadalajara. Instead, he stayed in school and developed into an NBA player.

Why do you think that same path wasn't available to Trae Young? Why do you think if he's not ready now, he wouldn't be ready in 2 more years?

Ahh I remember this shtick.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-04-2018, 12:55 PM

That look on Motley's face...

https://twitter.com/dallasmavs/statu...61164158791682

Underdog · 07-05-2018, 08:46 PM

@Scott_Charlton:

Marvin Bagley
29 minutes
0 pts (0-2 FG)
3 rebs
1 blk
Primarily defended by 6'7 Derrick Jones Jr.

BPo001 · 07-05-2018, 08:55 PM

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@Scott_Charlton:

Marvin Bagley
29 minutes
0 pts (0-2 FG)
3 rebs
1 blk
Primarily defended by 6'7 Derrick Jones Jr.

Only 2 FGA? What's up with that?

Bryan_Wilson · 07-05-2018, 08:59 PM

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@Scott_Charlton:

Marvin Bagley
29 minutes
0 pts (0-2 FG)
3 rebs
1 blk
Primarily defended by 6'7 Derrick Jones Jr.

That's beyond pathetic to play 30mins and have 2 fga's when he's the 2nd pick in the draft and his calling card is next level offense..

Bryan_Wilson · 07-05-2018, 09:02 PM

Trae Young 0-6 so far in his 3rd game. Sure isn't getting much better so far.

And Grayson Allen and Young just had a moment.

Underdog · 07-05-2018, 09:59 PM

Jazz fans chanting "Luka" at Trae Young right now...