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mavsfan1000 · 01-31-2015, 05:03 PM

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Yeah, the bench is exactly where a guy seeking max contract wants to be.

Lol He definitely isn't a max player. A guy that can't shoot and turns the ball over a lot. And even if he is that good, having all your weapons starting isn't always the best strategy. Having a 6th man like what the Spurs did with Ginobili has also has proven to be effective. The thing is Dirk and Ellis need shooters out there so they aren't double teamed as much or the paint isn't as crowded.

dude1394 · 01-31-2015, 05:05 PM

I think spit ball against the wall deserves a chance.

Underdog · 01-31-2015, 05:13 PM

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Lol He definitely isn't a max player. A guy that can't shoot and turns the ball over a lot. And even if he is that good, having all your weapons starting isn't always the best strategy. Having a 6th man like what the Spurs did with Ginobili has also has proven to be effective. The thing is Dirk and Ellis need shooters out there so they aren't double teamed as much or the paint isn't as crowded.

It's not about what he is, it's about what he thinks he is... If we bench Rondo, then we're playing for lottery balls - no way the locker room survives a move like that.

mavsfan1000 · 01-31-2015, 05:31 PM

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It's not about what he is, it's about what he thinks he is... If we bench Rondo, then we're playing for lottery balls - no way the locker room survives a move like that.

Are the egos really that fragile that we can't make any adjustments for the better of the team? And like I said Rondo plays more to his strengths when Ellis is on the bench. Not having to give it up as much. And Harris would get to play with Chandler. We know how much Harris feeds off athletic big men. Wright being the obvious example of that.

Underdog · 01-31-2015, 05:37 PM

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Are the egos really that fragile that we can't make any adjustments for the better of the team?

It's not about ego, it's about value... No way Rondo agrees to a more limited role in a contract season. That's just bad business.

dude1394 · 01-31-2015, 06:33 PM

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Are the egos really that fragile that we can't make any adjustments for the better of the team? And like I said Rondo plays more to his strengths when Ellis is on the bench. Not having to give it up as much. And Harris would get to play with Chandler. We know how much Harris feeds off athletic big men. Wright being the obvious example of that.

Well there is a reason that players get praised for coming off the bench. It is a selfless act. It is usually done for the betterment of the team and not their own personal benefit.

Underdog · 01-31-2015, 09:37 PM

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Like I said. Give Harris a chance as a starter. And I feel Rondo would be more comfortable out there with the bench. As he can dominate the ball more without worrying about Ellis and Dirk not getting the ball enough.

Are you Richard Jefferson in real life?

mavsfan1000 · 02-01-2015, 02:15 AM

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Are you Richard Jefferson in real life?

And what a surprise. Harris plays well.

Underdog · 02-01-2015, 02:26 AM

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And what a surprise. Harris plays well.

You didn't answer my question... Which only makes me more suspicious of you.

(if Rondo ends up with some mysterious illness, I swear I'm gonna tell Cuban on you!)

mavsfan1000 · 02-01-2015, 02:35 AM

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You didn't answer my question... Which only makes me more suspicious of you.

(if Rondo ends up with some mysterious illness, I swear I'm gonna tell Cuban on you!)

I didn't see him I tell you.

I was looking at Dirk.

Thukydides · 02-01-2015, 08:31 AM

To me the main problem with Rondo is that he isn´t a great fit with the "Flow-Offense" at all. He needs set-plays, which he can execute. To me he really is at his best, when he knows exactly, what options there are in any specific play. (and I don´t think he can do that in RC´s offense right now)
You simply can´t run any kind of pick´n roll based offense with him. It´s not his strength.

I think, we should look at maximising the minutes Harris/Barea plays with Tyson -> have the old pick´n roll action there; and with Rondo on the court we need to run plays, which let Parsons/Dirk have an open outside/midrange-shot, but do not base on pick´n roll action.
Furthermore I would suggest to have Aminu in the Line-up with Harris/Tyson. So I would look at these units:

Harris, Ellis, Aminu, Dirk (jefferson.. let Aminu play PF), Tyson

Rondo, Barea (Ellis), Parsons, Dirk, Smith (Powell)

I don´t really know, what that means for the crunch-time, but to me that´s the most sensitive approach at fixing the issues with rondo.. (really would depend on, if we need the defense or offense) What do you guys think?

Igor1988 · 02-01-2015, 08:53 AM

Hope he'll get well soon. But interesting.

30th (with Rajon)
1 st half at MIA - 33 pts

31th (without Rajon)
1 st half at ORL - 66 pts

spreedom · 02-01-2015, 11:11 AM

Since the trade (12/18) the Mavs are 6th in offensive efficiency and 7th in defensive efficiency. Only four teams in the league that are top 10 in those categories since the trade.

Kante · 02-01-2015, 11:52 AM

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Since the trade (12/18) the Mavs are 6th in offensive efficiency and 7th in defensive efficiency. Only four teams in the league that are top 10 in those categories since the trade.

This, so many times!

dude1394 · 02-01-2015, 12:38 PM

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Since the trade (12/18) the Mavs are 6th in offensive efficiency and 7th in defensive efficiency. Only four teams in the league that are top 10 in those categories since the trade.

Is that the 20 games with rondo only? Reading the post again i assume they are. Tbh those numbers are shocking to me. The eye test certainly doesnt agree.

dirt_dobber · 02-01-2015, 12:56 PM

Marc Stein: ESPN sources say Mavs PG Rajon Rondo (facial injury) ruled out of Monday game vs. Wolves as docs continue to evaluate him

LonghornDub · 02-01-2015, 01:01 PM

That doesn't sound great.

DavidDaMonkey · 02-01-2015, 01:43 PM

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That doesn't sound great.

On one hand, it will be interesting to get another look or two at the no Rondo offense. On the other hand, they need all the work they can get figuring out how to play with each other, and this will not help.

dude1394 · 02-01-2015, 02:18 PM

Well the folks clambering for felton might get their wish.

mavsfan1000 · 02-01-2015, 02:28 PM

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Well the folks clambering for felton might get their wish.

We got Harris and Barea. No need for Felton.

spreedom · 02-01-2015, 04:01 PM

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Is that the 20 games with rondo only?

Hmm....

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#reading comprehension

dude1394 · 02-01-2015, 04:22 PM

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Underdog · 02-01-2015, 05:44 PM

Play nice, guys... If you want to flame each other, then take it to PM.

LSMF · 02-01-2015, 07:41 PM

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We got Harris and Barea. No need for Felton.

Why wasn't Devin Harris our starting PG in the first place anyway? (I'm not advocating for him to start, I'm just wondering why he wasn't given the spot at the start of the season.) A starting five of Harris, Ellis, Parsons, Dirk and Tyson is pretty damn good. And then we could've brought Nelson (Who was a weak defender) off the bench with guys like Crowder, and Chief Aminu who could help him out on D. IDK Just wondering.

Underdog · 02-01-2015, 10:13 PM

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Why wasn't Devin Harris our starting PG in the first place anyway? (I'm not advocating for him to start, I'm just wondering why he wasn't given the spot at the start of the season.) A starting five of Harris, Ellis, Parsons, Dirk and Tyson is pretty damn good. And then we could've brought Nelson (Who was a weak defender) off the bench with guys like Crowder, and Chief Aminu who could help him out on D. IDK Just wondering.

Because Devin had excellent chemistry with Wright off the bench (which is part of why he's been struggling since the trade...)

LSMF · 02-01-2015, 11:40 PM

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Because Devin had excellent chemistry with Wright off the bench (which is part of why he's been struggling since the trade...)

Hmm...This is true, how could I have forgotten about the Devin Harris lobs to Brandan Wright that got us so many easy points. I just really don't think we needed Rondo, however, I do understand that our FO felt they had to do this trade. At this point now, I just think we need to find someway to strengthen our bench. Hopefully we can get something done soon.

dude1394 · 02-02-2015, 12:21 AM

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Why wasn't Devin Harris our starting PG in the first place anyway? (I'm not advocating for him to start, I'm just wondering why he wasn't given the spot at the start of the season.) A starting five of Harris, Ellis, Parsons, Dirk and Tyson is pretty damn good. And then we could've brought Nelson (Who was a weak defender) off the bench with guys like Crowder, and Chief Aminu who could help him out on D. IDK Just wondering.

He was in the ending group which is just like a starter in all but name only. They wanted some punch off the bench and as the prior poster said they liked what he was doing with BWright.

mavsfan1000 · 02-02-2015, 01:10 AM

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Hmm...This is true, how could I have forgotten about the Devin Harris lobs to Brandan Wright that got us so many easy points. I just really don't think we needed Rondo, however, I do understand that our FO felt they had to do this trade. At this point now, I just think we need to find someway to strengthen our bench. Hopefully we can get something done soon.

We were doing great. Yep totally unnecessary trade IMO.

Kante · 02-02-2015, 06:28 AM

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We were doing great. Yep totally unnecessary trade IMO.

Yeah, our defense was awesome with Nelson at the point and Wright was tearing it up against the good teams.

Kante · 02-02-2015, 10:02 AM

Per EKS:

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it's officially a facial injury for Rajon Rondo. Again, he's out tonight vs. Ricky Rubio and the Timberwolves.

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Rajon Rondo is officially out tonight vs. Minnesota. Raymond Felton is penciled in to start. May change.

EricaLubarsky · 02-02-2015, 10:09 AM

I'd love more details on the injury. I've heard everything from gash requiring stitches with a concussion to a cranial fracture. None of those rumors come from reputable sources, though.

EricaLubarsky · 02-02-2015, 10:53 AM

Ouch, orbital and nasal fracture. Not good.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-02-2015, 11:04 AM

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Ouch, orbital and nasal fracture. Not good.

So broken nose. That's what it looked like.

G-Man · 02-02-2015, 01:53 PM

Before the trade, Harden scored 33 points against us. Against Rondo he got 17. He held Westbrook to 18. We have not held good guards to decent numbers since 2011. Fixing the offense will be easy compared to stopping hot guards.

Rondo has to start, because Westbrook starts, and Harden starts, and Lilliard starts. Period.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-02-2015, 02:34 PM

Felton starting. Really hope that isn't true. Jj or Harris is fine with me.

EricaLubarsky · 02-02-2015, 02:40 PM

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Before the trade, Harden scored 33 points against us. Against Rondo he got 17. He held Westbrook to 18. We have not held good guards to decent numbers since 2011. Fixing the offense will be easy compared to stopping hot guards.

Rondo has to start, because Westbrook starts, and Harden starts, and Lilliard starts. Period.

Is anyone arguing that Rondo doesn't help us defensively?

My biggest concern at this point is Rondo's place in the offense. We can't have him doing nothing or we're going to be playing 4-on-5 like we've been doing through our losing streak. We can't really have him ineffectually running our offense, because Ellis is better with the ball than without and with the disrespect that Rondo gets, he can't even run a play effectively anyway.

Personally? I'd like Rondo just to work on stationary jumpers. Let Parsons use the other half of his skillset, so he's not just a jump shooter who can fake and drive. When he came here, there were designs on running him as a point forward. Then let Ellis dominate the ball when he wants to run some simple plays. I know we'd be losing out on Rondo's playmaking, but right now we're not getting it anyway, because no respects his offense. Teams always go under screens and don't even run out when he shoots. It's embarrassing for him and it's killing our offense.

Romus · 02-02-2015, 02:42 PM

Rondo off, good news.

dude1394 · 02-02-2015, 02:44 PM

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Felton starting. Really hope that isn't true. Jj or Harris is fine with me.

Im a little interested in seeing felton with the starting unit.

Underdog · 02-02-2015, 02:49 PM

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Rajon Rondo suffers two fractures

DALLAS -- Mavericks point guard Rajon Rondo suffered an orbital fracture in his left eye as well as a nasal fracture and will miss at least three games while undergoing additional testing, the team announced Monday.

Rondo was injured when teammate Richard Jefferson accidentally kneed him in the face in the opening minutes of Saturday night's win over the Orlando Magic.

Rondo will not play in Monday night's home game against Minnesota or travel on a two-game road trip to play Golden State and Sacramento later this week.

Rondo's status will be officially updated later this week, but teammates are prepared to be without the Mavs' starting point guard for an extended period of time.

"Hopefully, he has a quick and speedy recovery," Jefferson said. "Luckily we have the All-Star break not far away, so hopefully that will give him some more time to get right. He's a tough guy."

The injury occurred on a freak play 98 seconds into the first quarter of Saturday's win. After poking the ball away from behind Magic guard Elfrid Payton, Rondo tripped and fell to the floor. As he was getting up, he was kneed in the face by Jefferson, who did not see his teammate as he turned and sprinted down the court on a fast break.

With blood pouring out of his nose, Rondo stayed down on the court for about a minute before being escorted to the locker room by the Mavs' athletic training staff. His left eye was swollen shut as the team left the arena.

It isn't known whether surgery will be required to repair Rondo's facial fractures. Former Mavs guard Jason Terry missed two weeks after undergoing surgery to repair an orbital-bone fracture in March 2010, an extraordinarily quick recovery time. Other players have been sidelined for months after suffering orbital-bone fractures.

Rondo has started every game but one -- which he sat out to rest -- since arriving in Dallas as the centerpiece of a blockbuster trade with the Boston Celtics on Dec. 19.

Coach Rick Carlisle declined to say who would replace Rondo as the starting point guard for Monday's game against the Timberwolves. His options are Devin Harris, J.J. Barea and Raymond Felton, a veteran who has been a starter most of his career but has played sparingly this season.

The Mavericks on Monday also recalled guard Ricky Ledo, who was averaging 16.0 points and 3.8 assists for the Texas Legends of the NBA Development League.

"We've just got to make it work with the guys that we have available in these situations, and we will," Carlisle said. "This is part of the challenge of an NBA season."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...a-timberwolves

Speaking of which - where's the GDT?

EricaLubarsky · 02-02-2015, 02:59 PM

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Im a little interested in seeing felton with the starting unit.

Me too. Dude looked solid (but not great) when he played with our starters in preseason before getting injured. Since he's come back he's looked awful, but he's also only played with Greg Smith, Aminu, Jefferson, etc. With a decent accompanying cast, he could be alright.

Worst thing that can happen? He looks bad and we rotate to Harris at the 3-4 min mark instead of the usual 8 min mark and almost no damage done.

Best thing? He looks good going into the 19th trade deadline as trade bait (rather than dead weight) or shows that he can be a decent contributor a la Nelson. Nelson wasn't fantastic, but his ability to hit a jumper and bring it up to pass it to Ellis was good enough to get Nelson some play.