Mavs get Porzingis

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Underdog

But isn’t Rick Carlisle a bad coach for not playing Boban and WCS at the 5 while KP was playing at the 5? Obviously this team needs to play our other centers at center while KP plays center so all of our centers can centralize the power of centers into a super-center to be our centerpiece and put the centerless NBA at the epicenter of the greatest centralized center takeover of the century... Just my two cents.

https://youtu.be/FlRUmkqMIe8

[Thespiralgoeson]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...a-best-offense

Anyone with ESPN+ wanna copy and paste this article here?

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by Underdog

But isn’t Rick Carlisle a bad coach for not playing Boban and WCS at the 5 while KP was playing at the 5? Obviously this team needs to play our other centers at center while KP plays center so all of our centers can centralize the power of centers into a super-center to be our centerpiece and put the centerless NBA at the epicenter of the greatest centralized center takeover of the century... Just my two cents.

Thank goodness I was able to rep this one!

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Underdog

But isn’t Rick Carlisle a bad coach for not playing Boban and WCS at the 5 while KP was playing at the 5? Obviously this team needs to play our other centers at center while KP plays center so all of our centers can centralize the power of centers into a super-center to be our centerpiece and put the centerless NBA at the epicenter of the greatest centralized center takeover of the century... Just my two cents.

[turin]

Originally Posted by Underdog

But isn’t Rick Carlisle a bad coach for not playing Boban and WCS at the 5 while KP was playing at the 5? Obviously this team needs to play our other centers at center while KP plays center so all of our centers can centralize the power of centers into a super-center to be our centerpiece and put the centerless NBA at the epicenter of the greatest centralized center takeover of the century... Just my two cents.

2 cents? Nah, it's worth about what we paid for it... nothing. ;-)

If you have been paying attention, you would've noticed that several of us have been calling for KP/Maxi to play together as 5/4 for a LOOOOONG time. That's finally starting to happen a bit, and since we don't have anybody else with size who can play the 4 other than KP or Maxi , other potential combos with a legit big at 5 would have to be WCS/Maxi, WCS/KP, Boban/Maxi, or Boban/KP. Just because KP has looked better playing 5 in a small ball lineup against garbage teams doesn't mean that he's not a good option at 4 with WCS or even Boban at the 5. He may or may not be as productive (just because he's not at the 5 doesn't mean you don't /can't run plays for him), but if the overall team is better with KP at 4 (especially defensively with a 5 with size) instead of 5, then RC should at least consider giving those combos a try. How many years did we watch Dirk at the 5 when the team was better with him at the 4 with a legit big playing 5? Just because KP's a better 5 than Dirk doesn't mean he's a lousy 4. What hurts KP at the 4 is Luka iso ball where KP ends up standing around the 3-pt line as a spot up shooter. He loses his aggressiveness watching. Then again, the entire offense looks like crap if Luka doesn't score because the ball is not moving and everybody else is standing around watching. This is not a KP positional issue imo. It's about ball movement or lack thereof.

[texasbball]

Originally Posted by Underdog

But isn’t Rick Carlisle a bad coach for not playing Boban and WCS at the 5 while KP was playing at the 5? Obviously this team needs to play our other centers at center while KP plays center so all of our centers can centralize the power of centers into a super-center to be our centerpiece and put the centerless NBA at the epicenter of the greatest centralized center takeover of the century... Just my two cents.

FINALLY... someone that gets it!! I was wondering how many years I would have to lurk here before someone put the obvious!!

[texasbball]

Really, I think KP/Maxi is a no brainer. But Carlisle is better at this stuff than I am. The main problem was that it looked like they were disinterested, or just didn't want to play hard. And, when 3s aren't falling, you need to adjust. A 2 point shot still counts. Man, I think through all the griping, the most interesting thing is the unspoken thing: what can we do to compete. Not next year, or the year after , or the year after. This team has looked, at times, good enough to beat anyone. That's why turkeys like last night cause so much angst. I have to say this: if you can't imagine this team winning it all this year, you need a better imagination! So D*** refreshing! Instead of trying to figure out what draft prospect could possibly lead to the future and a few wins.

[untitled]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...a-best-offense

Anyone with ESPN+ wanna copy and paste this article here?

How Kristaps Porzingis sets up Luka Doncic and the NBA's best offense

Where can Kristaps Porzingis best help the Dallas Mavericks' offense?

At 7-foot-3, Porzingis might look like he belongs in the paint. But his skill set generally keeps him far from the low post, the traditional station for players his size. In fact, his primary role as an outside shooter, while counterintuitive to some, has contributed to the Mavericks' record-setting offense.

Understanding why Porzingis' spacing is valuable to the Mavericks -- in ways that playing down low would not be -- can help us unlock larger truths about the modern NBA game.

No reason to question Dallas offense

With Porzingis struggling in the Mavericks' Dec. 26 game against San Antonio (he scored 13 points on 4-of-15 shooting), TNT color commentator Chris Webber made it clear he thought Porzingis would be better off spending more time in the post. TNT's "Inside the NBA" analysts echoed that criticism at halftime.

Those comments made their way back to Carlisle, who used his postgame media availability to fire back with a strong statement, "Our numbers are very substantial that when [Porzingis] spaces beyond the 3-point line, you know, we're a historically good offensive team."

Said Porzingis about Carlisle's diatribe: "He was just protecting me, protecting the way the team wants to use me. Of course I've been getting criticism, but our offense has been very good, so you can't really say anything to that, right?"

With Porzingis playing his current role, the Mavericks not only lead the NBA in offensive rating this season, but are on track to score the most points per 100 possessions since team turnovers were first tracked in 1973-74 -- surpassing a pair of recent Golden State Warriors teams.

The Mavericks have benefited from an upward trend in offense that has produced five of the six most efficient performances within the past five seasons. Relative to league average, Dallas is 6.5% more efficient per offensive possession, a less-historic 24th since the NBA-ABA merger in 1977. Either way, the Mavericks' offense is working just fine. From Carlisle's perspective, that's because Dallas ranks 24th in the league with 5.0 post-ups per 100 possessions this season, according to Second Spectrum.

"When any of our guys go in there [the post], our effectiveness is diminished exponentially," he said. "It's counterintuitive, I understand that, but it's a fact."

Offenses better with fewer players in the paint

Would you believe that you can learn a lot about how good an offense is from observing where players stand?

In an effort to replicate the kind of analysis that has driven the Mavericks away from post-ups, Neil Johnson of ESPN Analytics used camera-tracking data to determine how often each player is in the paint at any given point their team is on offense.

The results are striking, as this information explains about 15% of the variation in teams' offensive ratings, with an expected difference of more than five points per 100 possessions between the team whose players spend the most time in the paint (Porzingis' old team, the New York Knicks) and the least (the Utah Jazz).

Though Dallas doesn't quite lead the league in this category, the Mavericks' tendency to keep Porzingis and fellow big man Maxi Kleber on the perimeter puts them among the teams whose players spend the least time in the paint -- nearly all of them top-tier offenses.

How much time players spend in the paint has a strong relationship with how often teams shoot 3-pointers. However, the correlation between time in the paint and offensive rating is much stronger than with 3-point attempt rate. Where players stand is, from this perspective, more important than from where they shoot.

While this might not be how Dallas has quantified the value of having Porzingis beyond the 3-point line rather than in the paint, analysis of the results is clearly part of the Mavericks' thinking.

"The choices we make on how we use KP aren't random," Dallas owner Mark Cuban said via email. "They are not just data-driven but driven by macro strategies as well. We rely on KP not just for his offense but also for his defense. So we look for ways to maximize his impact, wherever that takes us in terms of how we use him. We are never dogmatic about our approach."

Porzingis indicated this kind of data helped get him on board with moving his game more to the perimeter than it was with the Knicks, something that has meant sacrificing touches.

"I'm aware of that," he said of the value provided by his floor spacing. "Otherwise it wouldn't make sense. I'm all-in for winning and doing what's the most effective to get wins."

Shooting 3s creates easier 2s

For the most part, explanations of why posting up is a bad idea for offenses have focused on the inefficiency of post-up play. That is an issue with Porzingis, who has averaged just 0.85 points per chance this season on post-ups, according to Second Spectrum. However, taking Porzingis out of the post -- he's averaging 5.0 post-ups per 100 possessions, down from 12.4 in 2017-18 via Second Spectrum tracking -- hasn't necessarily translated to better overall efficiency for him.

Like many other players coming off ACL injuries, Porzingis has struggled as a 3-point shooter, making just 35% of his attempts after hitting 40% during his final season in New York. As a result, Porzingis' .538 true shooting percentage is largely unchanged from the .539 he posted in 2017-18 -- and well below the league average of .562.

Porzingis' value to the Mavericks' offense, then, is less about the 3s he's taking than the way his presence warps opposing defenses by dragging his defender away from the basket. Reversing the perspective, tracking data shows defenders facing Dallas spend less time in the paint than they do against any other offense. (There's not complete overlap between the two measures, though naturally offenses that have players in the paint less frequently force defenses to spend less time in the paint as well.)

This value shows up most clearly in terms of scoring on drives. At the league level, teams that have fewer players in the paint both drive more frequently per game and score more efficiently on drives than their counterparts with players clogging the paint.

Though the Mavericks rank just 11th in the league in drives per game, according to Second Spectrum data on NBA Advanced Stats, their true shooting percentage of .558 on drives is fifth highest. Luka Doncic has been the league's most efficient driver this season, averaging 1.2 points per chance on drives via Second Spectrum tracking. That increases to 1.26 points per chance with Porzingis on the court, as compared with 1.15 when Porzingis is on the bench.

When Porzingis plays center, as he has primarily since Dwight Powell's season-ending Achilles injury in January, shot-blockers are forced to choose between helping at the rim and staying with Porzingis beyond the arc.

"Of course, you can feel that," Porzingis said. "Everybody can feel that. Not just the guards, but also with Dwight, when he was driving to the basket, there's nobody under the basket. So it creates a lot of open looks close to the basket."

The goal of post-ups, in the eyes of believers, is to create high-percentage opportunities around the hoop. Ironically, by standing far away from the basket, that's precisely what Porzingis is doing for his teammates. Given the results, and his rant, don't expect Carlisle to change anytime soon.

[turin]

Originally Posted by untitled

How Kristaps Porzingis sets up Luka Doncic and the NBA's best offense

Where can Kristaps Porzingis best help the Dallas Mavericks' offense?

At 7-foot-3, Porzingis might look like he belongs in the paint. But his skill set generally keeps him far from the low post, the traditional station for players his size. In fact, his primary role as an outside shooter, while counterintuitive to some, has contributed to the Mavericks' record-setting offense.

Understanding why Porzingis' spacing is valuable to the Mavericks -- in ways that playing down low would not be -- can help us unlock larger truths about the modern NBA game.

No reason to question Dallas offense

With Porzingis struggling in the Mavericks' Dec. 26 game against San Antonio (he scored 13 points on 4-of-15 shooting), TNT color commentator Chris Webber made it clear he thought Porzingis would be better off spending more time in the post. TNT's "Inside the NBA" analysts echoed that criticism at halftime.

Those comments made their way back to Carlisle, who used his postgame media availability to fire back with a strong statement, "Our numbers are very substantial that when [Porzingis] spaces beyond the 3-point line, you know, we're a historically good offensive team."

Said Porzingis about Carlisle's diatribe: "He was just protecting me, protecting the way the team wants to use me. Of course I've been getting criticism, but our offense has been very good, so you can't really say anything to that, right?"

With Porzingis playing his current role, the Mavericks not only lead the NBA in offensive rating this season, but are on track to score the most points per 100 possessions since team turnovers were first tracked in 1973-74 -- surpassing a pair of recent Golden State Warriors teams.

The Mavericks have benefited from an upward trend in offense that has produced five of the six most efficient performances within the past five seasons. Relative to league average, Dallas is 6.5% more efficient per offensive possession, a less-historic 24th since the NBA-ABA merger in 1977. Either way, the Mavericks' offense is working just fine. From Carlisle's perspective, that's because Dallas ranks 24th in the league with 5.0 post-ups per 100 possessions this season, according to Second Spectrum.

"When any of our guys go in there [the post], our effectiveness is diminished exponentially," he said. "It's counterintuitive, I understand that, but it's a fact."

Offenses better with fewer players in the paint

Would you believe that you can learn a lot about how good an offense is from observing where players stand?

In an effort to replicate the kind of analysis that has driven the Mavericks away from post-ups, Neil Johnson of ESPN Analytics used camera-tracking data to determine how often each player is in the paint at any given point their team is on offense.

The results are striking, as this information explains about 15% of the variation in teams' offensive ratings, with an expected difference of more than five points per 100 possessions between the team whose players spend the most time in the paint (Porzingis' old team, the New York Knicks) and the least (the Utah Jazz).

Though Dallas doesn't quite lead the league in this category, the Mavericks' tendency to keep Porzingis and fellow big man Maxi Kleber on the perimeter puts them among the teams whose players spend the least time in the paint -- nearly all of them top-tier offenses.

How much time players spend in the paint has a strong relationship with how often teams shoot 3-pointers. However, the correlation between time in the paint and offensive rating is much stronger than with 3-point attempt rate. Where players stand is, from this perspective, more important than from where they shoot.

While this might not be how Dallas has quantified the value of having Porzingis beyond the 3-point line rather than in the paint, analysis of the results is clearly part of the Mavericks' thinking.

"The choices we make on how we use KP aren't random," Dallas owner Mark Cuban said via email. "They are not just data-driven but driven by macro strategies as well. We rely on KP not just for his offense but also for his defense. So we look for ways to maximize his impact, wherever that takes us in terms of how we use him. We are never dogmatic about our approach."

Porzingis indicated this kind of data helped get him on board with moving his game more to the perimeter than it was with the Knicks, something that has meant sacrificing touches.

"I'm aware of that," he said of the value provided by his floor spacing. "Otherwise it wouldn't make sense. I'm all-in for winning and doing what's the most effective to get wins."

Shooting 3s creates easier 2s

For the most part, explanations of why posting up is a bad idea for offenses have focused on the inefficiency of post-up play. That is an issue with Porzingis, who has averaged just 0.85 points per chance this season on post-ups, according to Second Spectrum. However, taking Porzingis out of the post -- he's averaging 5.0 post-ups per 100 possessions, down from 12.4 in 2017-18 via Second Spectrum tracking -- hasn't necessarily translated to better overall efficiency for him.

Like many other players coming off ACL injuries, Porzingis has struggled as a 3-point shooter, making just 35% of his attempts after hitting 40% during his final season in New York. As a result, Porzingis' .538 true shooting percentage is largely unchanged from the .539 he posted in 2017-18 -- and well below the league average of .562.

Porzingis' value to the Mavericks' offense, then, is less about the 3s he's taking than the way his presence warps opposing defenses by dragging his defender away from the basket. Reversing the perspective, tracking data shows defenders facing Dallas spend less time in the paint than they do against any other offense. (There's not complete overlap between the two measures, though naturally offenses that have players in the paint less frequently force defenses to spend less time in the paint as well.)

This value shows up most clearly in terms of scoring on drives. At the league level, teams that have fewer players in the paint both drive more frequently per game and score more efficiently on drives than their counterparts with players clogging the paint.

Though the Mavericks rank just 11th in the league in drives per game, according to Second Spectrum data on NBA Advanced Stats, their true shooting percentage of .558 on drives is fifth highest. Luka Doncic has been the league's most efficient driver this season, averaging 1.2 points per chance on drives via Second Spectrum tracking. That increases to 1.26 points per chance with Porzingis on the court, as compared with 1.15 when Porzingis is on the bench.

When Porzingis plays center, as he has primarily since Dwight Powell's season-ending Achilles injury in January, shot-blockers are forced to choose between helping at the rim and staying with Porzingis beyond the arc.

"Of course, you can feel that," Porzingis said. "Everybody can feel that. Not just the guards, but also with Dwight, when he was driving to the basket, there's nobody under the basket. So it creates a lot of open looks close to the basket."

The goal of post-ups, in the eyes of believers, is to create high-percentage opportunities around the hoop. Ironically, by standing far away from the basket, that's precisely what Porzingis is doing for his teammates. Given the results, and his rant, don't expect Carlisle to change anytime soon.

No reason to question Dallas offense? Really?

The stats are great and all, but at the end of the game, the offense doesn't get defensive stops. It's the final score that counts, not your offensive rating or statistics. I'd trade some of those "historic" offensive numbers for 2 big defenders in the paint if their defense translated into less blown games and more wins, which I think it most certainly would, and anybody who has watched our offense down the stretch in the 4th and doesn't think there's an issue... well, I can't help those people.

The way we play offense with our roster handicaps our defense, so yeah, there is plenty of reason to question the offense imo, unless one considers 10-12 complete meltdowns in 60 games "normal" growing pains. lol That's 1 in every 5 games! But those offensive stats sure look good! ;-)

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by turin

No reason to question Dallas offense? Really?

The stats are great and all, but at the end of the game, the offense doesn't get defensive stops. It's the final score that counts, not your offensive rating or statistics. I'd trade some of those "historic" offensive numbers for 2 big defenders in the paint if their defense translated into less blown games and more wins, which I think it most certainly would, and anybody who has watched our offense down the stretch in the 4th and doesn't think there's an issue, then.... well, I can't help those people.

KP is our best defensive center.

We just need forwards that can play defense and contribute next to him.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by texasbball

Really, I think KP/Maxi is a no brainer. But Carlisle is better at this stuff than I am. The main problem was that it looked like they were disinterested, or just didn't want to play hard. And, when 3s aren't falling, you need to adjust. A 2 point shot still counts. Man, I think through all the griping, the most interesting thing is the unspoken thing: what can we do to compete. Not next year, or the year after , or the year after. This team has looked, at times, good enough to beat anyone. That's why turkeys like last night cause so much angst. I have to say this: if you can't imagine this team winning it all this year, you need a better imagination! So D*** refreshing! Instead of trying to figure out what draft prospect could possibly lead to the future and a few wins.

And i think they want Maxis shotblocking when KP is on the bench.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I think it would better to play Maxi and WCS together. Maxi is a bit exposed at times when he is the only center on the court. That should hopefully equal things out, appease the center lovers, and keep KP starting at the 5. Just my two cents.

[turin]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I think it would better to play Maxi and WCS together. Maxi is a bit exposed at times when he is the only center on the court. That should hopefully equal things out, appease the center lovers, and keep KP starting at the 5. Just my two cents.

I think that's a smart suggestion. If you're going to overexpose one of the two on defense without another big, between Maxi and KP, you pick KP every time.

[turin]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

KP is our best defensive center.

We just need forwards that can play defense and contribute next to him.

I agree, but since we don't have them currently on our roster, I think KP at the 4 with WCS at the 5 is a better defensive combo to close games than KP and 4 other players not named Maxi, unless it's Boban, but we all know RC doesn't consider him an option.

[sefant77]

Four more years locked up. Together with Luka.

[dirt_dobber]

Our guy checking in at #6 - probably moves up after last night's 5 blocks...
Among all players that have defended 250+ attempts at the rim,
the lowest percentage allowed:
1. Brook Lopez – 171/371 (46.1%)
2. Ivica Zubac – 129/277 (46.6%)
3. JaVale McGee – 136/276 (49.3%)
4. Rudy Gobert – 242/482 (50.2%)
5. Jarrett Allen – 188/370 (50.8%)
6. Kristaps Porzingis – 158/309 (51.1%)
7. Jakob Poeltl – 135/263 (51.3%)
8. Montrezl Harrell – 155/301 (51.5%)
9. Serge Ibaka – 143/275 (52.0%)
10. Cauley-Stein – 133/256 (52.0%)
11. Myles Turner – 183/351 (52.1%)
12. Anthony Davis – 131/251 (52.2%)

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

Our guy checking in at #6 - probably moves up after last night's 5 blocks...
Among all players that have defended 250+ attempts at the rim,
the lowest percentage allowed:
1. Brook Lopez – 171/371 (46.1%)
2. Ivica Zubac – 129/277 (46.6%)
3. JaVale McGee – 136/276 (49.3%)
4. Rudy Gobert – 242/482 (50.2%)
5. Jarrett Allen – 188/370 (50.8%)
6. Kristaps Porzingis – 158/309 (51.1%)
7. Jakob Poeltl – 135/263 (51.3%)
8. Montrezl Harrell – 155/301 (51.5%)
9. Serge Ibaka – 143/275 (52.0%)
10. Cauley-Stein – 133/256 (52.0%)
11. Myles Turner – 183/351 (52.1%)
12. Anthony Davis – 131/251 (52.2%)

And yet another reason why KP, Kleber and WCS can all be effective and help win games

KP is 6th and WCS is 10th that's right up there with the Lakers trio in terms of rim protection

Also if you notice all those players in the top 12 with the exception of 1 I believe are on teams headed to the playoffs because rim protection is just as important as 3 pt shooting

[tap2390]

I like WCS but would let him go this offseason to try and snag Ibaka around $10m a year. You could see our spacing was noticeably worse with WCS out there, and he doesn’t box out consistently. I think a big rotation of KP, Ibaka, Powell, and Maxi would be amazing.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by tap2390

I like WCS but would let him go this offseason to try and snag Ibaka around $10m a year. You could see our spacing was noticeably worse with WCS out there, and he doesn’t box out consistently. I think a big rotation of KP, Ibaka, Powell, and Maxi would be amazing.

Why would he take a 12M pay cut though?

Between he and Marcus Morris, we have options to pursue.

[BPo001]

I’m curious what it would take to get Myles Turner. He’s having a down year, but I think he might fit in as a big that can defend and stretch the floor a bit.

[dirt_dobber]

Nick Angstadt@NickVanExit
Kristaps Porzingis last 12 Games
27.8 Points, 9th
11.0 Rebounds, 10th
2.3 Assists
2.3 Blocks, 7th
33.3 Minutes

50.0% FG
39.1% 3P
83.5% FT
+9.3
7-5 Record
6 Games without Luka
Western Conf. Player of the Week

[NeedlesKane]

Originally Posted by tap2390

I like WCS but would let him go this offseason to try and snag Ibaka around $10m a year. You could see our spacing was noticeably worse with WCS out there, and he doesn’t box out consistently. I think a big rotation of KP, Ibaka, Powell, and Maxi would be amazing.

He's played 126 total minutes over 10 games with the Mavericks. Per minute played he's actually doing well, and he still is learning our system. Let's look at the per 36 minutes played:
14.9 points
13.1 rebounds
2.9 blocks

Comparing this to Serge Ibaka:
21.1 points (I expect this to go down with Dallas per 36 minutes played)
10.6 rebounds
1.1 blocks

I'd take the rebounding and blocking ability that WCS brings over what Ibaka would contribute personally.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

He's played 126 total minutes over 10 games with the Mavericks. Per minute played he's actually doing well, and he still is learning our system. Let's look at the per 36 minutes played:
14.9 points
13.1 rebounds
2.9 blocks

Comparing this to Serge Ibaka:
21.1 points (I expect this to go down with Dallas per 36 minutes played)
10.6 rebounds
1.1 blocks

I'd take the rebounding and blocking ability that WCS brings over what Ibaka would contribute personally.

Cost is a decent factor between the two with WCS commanding less.

[mac222b]

Ibaka is 3x the player WCS is.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Ibaka is 3x the player WCS is.

Rebounding and defense it's a wash

He's definitely a better shooter than WCS but as a rim roller WCS would probably be more effective when paired with Luka

Plus WCS is younger if that means anything towards putting pieces around your young nucleus

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Rebounding and defense it's a wash

He's definitely a better shooter than WCS but as a rim roller WCS would probably be more effective when paired with Luka

Plus WCS is younger if that means anything towards putting pieces around your young nucleus

Ibaka just won a championship. Has been deep in the playoffs many times. Offensively not only is he an infinitely better shooter but you can dump it to him in the post occasionally, he has a reliable mid-range game (important in the post season) and last season he improved noticeably as a passer. He IS a better defender, as part of a team defense. Great teammate. Its not even a contest. And I like WCS and have wanted more floor time for him.

[KillerLeft]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I’m curious what it would take to get Myles Turner. He’s having a down year, but I think he might fit in as a big that can defend and stretch the floor a bit.

The Mavs' FO agrees with you, especially Carlisle. Can't remember where I read it, but I've seen things written about how much they covet Turner. He's one of the more ideal Powell/WCS types out there.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Ibaka just won a championship. Has been deep in the playoffs many times. Offensively not only is he an infinitely better shooter but you can dump it to him in the post occasionally, he has a reliable mid-range game (important in the post season) and last season he improved noticeably as a passer. He IS a better defender, as part of a team defense. Great teammate. Its not even a contest. And I like WCS and have wanted more floor time for him.

Sums up my thinking as well. I also think that Ibaka is a realistic target given Toronto's cap situation. If we add Ibaka to the team we currently have, along with a perimeter defender or two through the draft and the natural progression of KP and Luka, we should have a title contender.

[saclare]

Ibaka is only 30. I could have sworn he was closer to 40 lol

[Thespiralgoeson]

Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon
Players who have had multiple games this season with at least 25 points, 10 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 blocks, per
@bball_ref
: Anthony Davis (5), Kristaps Porzingis (4), Giannis Antetokounmpo, James Harden and Pascal Siakam (2 each).

Porzingis has done it the last 3 games.

KP is the f*kin' man!

[FollowedKPtodallas]

Originally Posted by KillerLeft

The Mavs' FO agrees with you, especially Carlisle. Can't remember where I read it, but I've seen things written about how much they covet Turner. He's one of the more ideal Powell/WCS types out there.

I remember watching a 2015 draft video and KP and Turner were working out together in Vegas. I think they had the same agent. Maybe that connection would help get him....Turner is a perfect for us.

[Unicorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhhSFKgMhlo

[Unicorn]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

KP is the f*kin' man!

Yes he is

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by Unicorn

Yes he is

KP... is that you?

[Unicorn]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

KP is the f*kin' man!

Originally Posted by tap2390

KP... is that you?

You wish but No, a regular dude from Latvia

[Unicorn]

There is a rumor that KP jus landed in Latvia. Straight from Dallas with a Cuban Bombardier https://sports.tvnet.lv/6960477/laik...390.1582788533

[MFFL]

League Sources Say Mavericks Quietly Gauging Kristaps Porzingis' Trade Value

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...is-trade-value

[MFFL]

I was talking to my son and we agreed that a modern big has to do at least 2 things - score, rebound, defend or create

Porzingis just scores

If you do 3 like Davis then you are a superstar

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by MFFL

I was talking to my son and we agreed that a modern big has to do at least 2 things - score, rebound, defend or create

Porzingis just scores

If you do 3 like Davis then you are a superstar

And he's not even very reliable at that. He's very streaky and inconsistent.

Nowadays he's just another one of those guys that's like a third tier talent but gets paid the same as a superstar. There's like a hundred of them at any given time in the NBA.

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Originally Posted by MFFL

League Sources Say Mavericks Quietly Gauging Kristaps Porzingis' Trade Value

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...is-trade-value

Oh look, clickbait from Trash Report

Wake me up when Marc Stein confirms it. Until then its BS