Jeremy Lin....

[TripleDipping]

Originally Posted by CadBane

What is it all about?

It's called the "christian nerd" handshake. They put on glasses, read the bible, take off glasses and point to the sky.

[jleefilled]

The novelty may be gone, but the kid is still ballin'. 1 to, 19 points, 13 assists, 5 boards

[twelli]

In the first half he seemed to defer to the other star players, which didn't work out. I guess coach told him to be more aggressive and assertive. That's a great stat line, good balance between scoring and sharing.

[Big Boy Laroux]

1 turnover

[iella]

Nice little fluff bit on Obama and Linsanity.

"I knew about Jeremy before you did, or everybody else did, because Arne Duncan, my Secretary of Education, was captain of the Harvard team," said Mr. Obama. "And so way back when, Arne and I were playing and he said, 'I'm telling you, we've got this terrific guard named Jeremy Lin at Harvard.' And then one of my best friends, his son is a freshman at Harvard, and so when he went for a recruiting trip he saw Lin in action. So I've been on the Jeremy Lin bandwagon for a while."

Asked if he was taking credit for "Linsanity," the president replied: "I can't take credit for it, but I'm just saying I was there early."

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by iella

Nice little fluff bit on Obama and Linsanity.

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Is that the little mermaid with glasses?

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

1 turnover

That's so subjective. Isn't there a meatloaf that needs a fro added to it?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by DirkFTW

Is that the little mermaid with glasses?

Yup - you need to keep up with your hipster memes...

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Yup - you need to keep up with your hipster memes...

I don't get it... now she can see the people dancing?

[Big Boy Laroux]

My favorite:

[Kidd Karma]

1 TO is huge for him. I think it helps to have Melo-Amare, Smith all together, can't really go bad with any of them in terms of setting up a shot.

[Big Boy Laroux]

Another overall sub-par effort from Lin (in comparison to his previous stellar efforts). But he still is effective as a starter.

14-15 points is about the average i would expect out of him moving forward as a starter. Only 5 assists to 6 TOs, though. Not good. And his effort looks even worse in comparison to Rondo's monster game (although Rondo did shoot worse than Lin, but that's a moot point, they both sucked shooting the ball).

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Another overall sub-par effort from Lin (in comparison to his previous stellar efforts). But he still is effective as a starter.

14-15 points is about the average i would expect out of him moving forward as a starter. Only 5 assists to 6 TOs, though. Not good. And his effort looks even worse in comparison to Rondo's monster game (although Rondo did shoot worse than Lin, but that's a moot point, they both sucked shooting the ball).

No need for the "in comparison" bit. It was a sub-par effort. Period. Watching the game, it was even worse than the stats. Rondo just demolished him. However, his previous game against Atlanta was quite good. I think he's really coming down to Earth overall. Like I kept saying, let's see where he's at by season's end.

[Big Boy Laroux]

ha ha you crack me up. you argue the minutiae of every post.

It was bad/sub-par overall when comparing to his previous elite efforts (and especially comparing to rondo's crazy game). How is that arguable?

that stat line would be acceptable for 50% of the starting PGs in the league. Wouldn't get them praise, wouldn't get them lambasted either (aside from the turnovers, i've never argued that point).

I was just coming on here to post when he had a bad game, as I had also been posting when he had good games. Seems only fair. But you're arguing about how i post that he had a bad game? I'm glad you exist - you constantly remind me how NOT to act on the internet.

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

ha ha you crack me up. you argue the minutiae of every post.

It was bad/sub-par overall when comparing to his previous elite efforts (and especially comparing to rondo's crazy game). How is that arguable?

that stat line would be acceptable for 50% of the starting PGs in the league. Wouldn't get them praise, wouldn't get them lambasted either (aside from the turnovers, i've never argued that point).

I was just coming on here to post when he had a bad game, as I had also been posting when he had good games. Seems only fair. But you're arguing about how i post that he had a bad game? I'm glad you exist - you constantly remind me how NOT to act on the internet.

some of your paragraphs don't even have 3 sentences

you don't write in complete sentences sometimes

you capitalize regularly and use puncutation

wth wrong with you? oh wait...

On a side note (off topic really), b-diddy had like 6 TO's too. I'm interested to see what happens if Lin's play doesn't continue at his previously very high level and if b-diddy ends up getting bigger chunks of PT as a result. And who cares about Lin now? The guy that's playing amazing now is steve "I was on the end of the bench for the world champion 2010-2011 Mavs before i got cut" novak.

[rabbitproof]

Both Knicks PGs were turnover prone (Baron had the same # of TOs in less minutes I believe) but it was a poor effort from Lin. Seemed like he had some nerves or was just careless. The announcers were saying it's because he was in front of his college home crowd. Half of his turnovers were slop - atleast two occurred on half-court fast break lobs. These kinds of games are going to happen as most young PGs struggle on the road against good defensive team and he has about 15 starts under his belt. He does still need to learn to just make the smart pass vs going for the risky pass.

So, he'll have more bumps for sure but his performance ought to become less up and down by season's end and the middle of the road ought to still be a very good 17/7 game.

More interestingly, there is a weird dynamic going on between Lin PnRs and Melo ISOs. Half the plays start with a PnR and if the opening wasn't there, it's dumped off to Melo with about 10-14 seconds for an ISO shot. It's very half and half. For both to be at their best, you gotta assume they find a way to mesh vs. alternating possessions or splitting the playclock. Lin almost always runs his PnRs at the top of the circle. Not sure which side would be more conducive to a weak left hand but perhaps run it to one side and have Melo on the weakside? Or have Lin run the PnR with Melo himself? If MDA is really an offensive genius, he'll find a way to mesh the guys vs cutting the game in half. To be fair to MDA, it has only been five games.

[Big Boy Laroux]

I'm becoming novaklimated to all the novakolades!

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

ha ha you crack me up. you argue the minutiae of every post.

It was bad/sub-par overall when comparing to his previous elite efforts (and especially comparing to rondo's crazy game). How is that arguable?

that stat line would be acceptable for 50% of the starting PGs in the league. Wouldn't get them praise, wouldn't get them lambasted either (aside from the turnovers, i've never argued that point).

I was just coming on here to post when he had a bad game, as I had also been posting when he had good games. Seems only fair. But you're arguing about how i post that he had a bad game? I'm glad you exist - you constantly remind me how NOT to act on the internet.

1. It was a bad game period, why try to qualify it?

2. No, that statline would absolutely not be acceptable for most starting PGs. Especially when Rondo takes a shit on you and your plus/minus is that bad.

3. Wait, so *if* you ignore the turnovers it's not as bad a game? If my grandma had a dick she'd be my grandpa. You can't just ignore the 6 turnovers, especially when he only had 5 assists.

On what world is 6-16, 6 turnovers, 5 assists, your opposing PG going for almost 20/20/20 and a bad +/- anywhere close to "acceptable"?

You could have just said he had a bad game. That would have been like me saying after the Hawks game "Lin had a good game...except for some missed threes." No, he had a good game.

[Big Boy Laroux]

If my starting PG had a 14 point, 5 assist game (yes, even with a -9 and 6 turnovers) I live with it and say yep, that wasn't his best game. Poor performance. My point was that if any other PG in the league (screw 50%) had that game, he would neither be praised or blasted - thus acceptable (again, NOT "good"). You chalk it up to a poor performance and move on.

My other point is you have such a hard-on for my posts (like your grandma?), that you single out the smallest insignificant portion to argue. Good for you. Keep it up, everyone loves it.

I never said to ignore the turnovers. I also did not say that 6 turnovers were acceptable. I said that the overall performance would be acceptable (again, NOT "good") as all players have sub-par games, and that the 6 turnovers WOULD be a component worthy of being lambasted. I have said from the very beginning of linsanity that turnovers are an issue.

As for the comparison piece - my point there was that Lin has shown he can produce at a high level, so a game like this is acceptable (again, NOT "good") in the grand scheme. Dirk has a crappy game, we say he just didn't have it - it happens. A poor game, especially "compared to the elite level" at which he normally plays. Now, is Lin as good as dirk? Of course not - but in this sample size we have, Lin has produced way more elite games than sub-par ones.

So again, this was NOT a "good" game. It was a poor performance, a bad game. But I maintain that it is one that I would accept and move on if i were his coach.

Can't wait to see what small component you single out this time. I'm giddy with anticipation.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

If my starting PG had a 14 point, 5 assist game (yes, even with a -9 and 6 turnovers) I live with it and say yep, that wasn't his best game. Poor performance. My point was that if any other PG in the league (screw 50%) had that game, he would neither be praised or blasted - thus acceptable (again, NOT "good"). You chalk it up to a poor performance and move on.

My other point is you have such a hard-on for my posts (like your grandma?), that you single out the smallest insignificant portion to argue. Good for you. Keep it up, everyone loves it.

I never said to ignore the turnovers. I also did not say that 6 turnovers were acceptable. I said that the overall performance would be acceptable (again, NOT "good") as all players have sub-par games, and that the 6 turnovers WOULD be a component worthy of being lambasted. I have said from the very beginning of linsanity that turnovers are an issue.

As for the comparison piece - my point there was that Lin has shown he can produce at a high level, so a game like this is acceptable (again, NOT "good") in the grand scheme. Dirk has a crappy game, we say he just didn't have it - it happens. A poor game, especially "compared to the elite level" at which he normally plays. Now, is Lin as good as dirk? Of course not - but in this sample size we have, Lin has produced way more elite games than sub-par ones.

So again, this was NOT a "good" game. It was a poor performance, a bad game. But I maintain that it is one that I would accept and move on if i were his coach.

Can't wait to see what small component you single out this time. I'm giddy with anticipation.

"that stat line would be acceptable for 50% of the starting PGs in the league. Wouldn't get them praise, wouldn't get them lambasted either (aside from the turnovers, i've never argued that point)."

Uhh...

And if you think a 6-16, 5 assist, 6 turnover, -9 game by your starting PG who gets 19-18-18 hung on his head is "acceptable", you either have your head shoved so far up Lin's ass that you can taste his lo mein, or you're just an idiot. Maybe a little from column A and a little from column B.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by CadBane

"that stat line would be acceptable for 50% of the starting PGs in the league. Wouldn't get them praise, wouldn't get them lambasted either (aside from the turnovers, i've never argued that point)."

Uhh...

And if you think a 6-16, 5 assist, 6 turnover, -9 game by your starting PG who gets 19-18-18 hung on his head is "acceptable", you either have your head shoved so far up Lin's ass that you can taste his lo mein, or you're just an idiot. Maybe a little from column A and a little from column B.

You are one trick pony!

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

You are one trick pony!

Horse?

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by CadBane

Horse?

Pony!

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by CadBane

"that stat line would be acceptable for 50% of the starting PGs in the league. Wouldn't get them praise, wouldn't get them lambasted either (aside from the turnovers, i've never argued that point)."

Uhh...

And if you think a 6-16, 5 assist, 6 turnover, -9 game by your starting PG who gets 19-18-18 hung on his head is "acceptable", you either have your head shoved so far up Lin's ass that you can taste his lo mein, or you're just an idiot. Maybe a little from column A and a little from column B.

Good job completely disregarding my last post. Classic Cad. I think someone doesn't know how parentheses work.

I maintain that a game like that is acceptable for ANY starting PG. Bad games happen. I never claimed that type of game is a good game or worthy of any type of praise. Again, he had a bad game. Never claimed otherwise. But they happen - on the scale of bad games, this wasn't abysmal. He just didn't have a great showing. It happens.

I honestly really do not care about Lin. If he has a great career or stinks from here on out, it's no skin off my back.

And there is an idiot on this board. This all started with that idiot making a sweeping claim that Lin would never be more than a bench player and could not be a starter in this league, when all evidence points to the exact opposite scenario. This same idiot then argues that Lin is not an all-star caliber player - a point that no one on this board is claiming. This same idiot continues to be belligerent throughout the entire process, insulting others when he has no point to be made and no leg to stand on.

CadBane is the Rush Limbaugh of Dallas-Mavs.com.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Good job completely disregarding my last post. Classic Cad. I think someone doesn't know how parentheses work.

I maintain that a game like that is acceptable for ANY starting PG. Bad games happen. I never claimed that type of game is a good game or worthy of any type of praise. Again, he had a bad game. Never claimed otherwise. But they happen - on the scale of bad games, this wasn't abysmal. He just didn't have a great showing. It happens.

I honestly really do not care about Lin. If he has a great career or stinks from here on out, it's no skin off my back.

And there is an idiot on this board. This all started with that idiot making a sweeping claim that Lin would never be more than a bench player and could not be a starter in this league, when all evidence points to the exact opposite scenario. This same idiot then argues that Lin is not an all-star caliber player - a point that no one on this board is claiming. This same idiot continues to be belligerent throughout the entire process, insulting others when he has no point to be made and no leg to stand on.

CadBane is the Rush Limbaugh of Dallas-Mavs.com.

Oh man, your calves must be getting a workout from all that backpedaling!

So first it was a bad game, but only based upon his previous "elite" games. Now it's just a bad, bad game period?

So now it goes from being an "acceptable game for most PGs" to "abysmal games happen, ergo they're acceptable." There's quite a difference between the two.

You're 0-2.

Oh wait, SMC claimed Lin would be an all-star (and he's not the only one).

No that's three strikes.

Thank you, come again!

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by CadBane

Oh man, your calves must be getting a workout from all that backpedaling!

So first it was a bad game, but only based upon his previous "elite" games. Now it's just a bad, bad game period?

So now it goes from being an "acceptable game for most PGs" to "abysmal games happen, ergo they're acceptable." There's quite a difference between the two.

You're 0-2.

Oh wait, SMC claimed Lin would be an all-star (and he's not the only one).

No that's three strikes.

Thank you, come again!

Again, you are playing semantics and arguing for the sake of arguing. You appear to think this makes you look smart, but it only paints you as a petty child.

I did not say his game was bad "ONLY" in comparison to his previous elite games. His previous elite efforts (and rondo's great game) make the game look even worse.

I also did not say this game was abysmal. I said it was NOT abysmal. I am not backpedaling. I maintain that this is an acceptable (although sub-par) game. He didn't shit the bed, but he didn't play well. it is what it is. Reading comprehension is NOT your friend, is it?

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

But they happen - on the scale of bad games, this wasn't abysmal. He just didn't have a great showing. It happens.

as for SMC:

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showth...ar#post1249235

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showth...17#post1250817

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showth...04#post1248304

Thank you, come again!


oh wait, he did claim Lin would be president... dammit!

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showth...89#post1250689

[rabbitproof]

Any predictions on his #s today?

He has struggled the last two roadies. I'll go with 14/5/5 and 5 turnovers.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Any predictions on his #s today?

He has struggled the last two roadies. I'll go with 14/5/5 and 5 turnovers.

16/5/7 with 6 turnovers on 6-15 shooting.

[twelli]

I predict he will have a double-double with more then twenty points, but the Mavs win.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by CadBane

16/5/7 with 6 turnovers on 6-15 shooting.

14/3/7 with 2 turnovers on 4-13 shooting.

What do I win?

By the way, NY made their run with Lin on the bench. -11 (BDiddy +1).

[rabbitproof]

I think I was closer... INTERNET RESPECT, I WANTS IT.

[Big Boy Laroux]

I say it's a tie on the prediction front.

Not a good game, in comparison to anything. Nice that his assist to TO ratio was better, but his shooting has been pretty bad on the road lately.

[b_o_r]

Lin is very pedestrian (good backup material) once the PnR goes kaput. That is where him and Nash are very different.

Lin and Melo don't mesh at all and if it keeps up he'll be replaced by Baron.

[clutch#41]

Lin= Overated!!

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

Lin and Melo don't mesh at all and if it keeps up he'll be replaced by Baron.

Will be very interesting to see how this plays out. Lin has in no way earned the status Carmelo has attained over the years - but the off-court impact he has generated throws a wrench into the "whose team is it?" discussion. The NBA is a money-making venture, after all.

Not saying melo would be traded or anything absurd like that - just that it is in the Knicks best interest to make Lin/Melo work instead of benching Lin for Davis.

[adonis]

Remember when Carmelo was that dangerous scorer who we were scared to death of, every single time he touched the ball in Denver?

Guy is a complete joke now. Really he fucked himself over when the Nuggets came off of a WCF trip, got into a bad match up with the Utah Jizz, and then asked for a trade.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I think I was closer... INTERNET RESPECT, I WANTS IT.

There's no think about it.

Like BBG said, it was a tie.

I was 2 points off. You were 2 assists off. But I actually posted his shooting line (which was uncannily close to what he shot).

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by adonis

Remember when Carmelo was that dangerous scorer who we were scared to death of, every single time he touched the ball in Denver?

Guy is a complete joke now. Really he fucked himself over when the Nuggets came off of a WCF trip, got into a bad match up with the Utah Jizz, and then asked for a trade.

Melo looked PISSED at Lin a few times tonight for not getting him the ball when he had position. Not saying it was justified, since Melo shot like shit, just an observation. A couple times he was fighting Marion in the post, Lin ignored him, and Melo gave up and just sulked into the corner.

I don't think those two can co-exist. Not a fan of either of their games, to be honest.

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by CadBane

Not a fan of either of their games, to be honest.