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yahyes · 09-01-2017, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

What does this statement even mean? Why are you jumping from Tristan Thompson to DeMarcus Cousins, and what does "chasing after" Boogie have to do with Noel's value? What comparison are you making?

Also, how does your post even remotely refute my last post? If anything, you've made my argument for me...

Read above.

Bryan_Wilson · 09-01-2017, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

What does this statement even mean? Why are you jumping from Tristan Thompson to DeMarcus Cousins, and what does "chasing after" Boogie have to do with Noel's value? What comparison are you making?

Also, how does your post even remotely refute my last post? If anything, you've made my argument for me...

Underdog · 09-01-2017, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

Read above.

Great non-answer that clears up absolutely nothing and establishes zero connection between the post in question and all your other posts... You should run for POTUS.

yahyes · 09-01-2017, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Great non-answer that clears up absolutely nothing and establishes zero connection between the post in question and all your other posts... You should run for POTUS.

Do I really have to quote some of the comments? Clearly there's some early skepticism going about Noel when the season hasn't even started. Though you keep trying to troll me. While I just point and laugh.Plain and simple. If he helps get the Mavs into playoffs at the age of 23. Then it makes sense to keep him long term.

Underdog · 09-01-2017, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

Do I really have to quote some of the comments?

I read your comments, I just don't understand what you're talking about... Why did you bring up Cousins? What does he have to do with Noel? Are you trying to say Noel is a better value (or easier to land) than Cousins? Because "It's very likely compared to chasing after Cousins" isn't a coherent statement, especially within context... Whatever idea you're trying to communicate isn't coming across. You're trying to paint me as disagreeable, but I can't have an opinion about what you're saying if I don't have any clue what you're saying.

As for Noel, you obviously haven't read MY comments (which seems to be a theme whenever you post -- you talk, but you don't listen)... My best-case scenario is that he stays healthy, balls out of his mind, earns a max contract, and lures another max free agent to Dallas. Go back and read my posts, it's all there. I WANT Noel to succeed, I just don't think the odds are in his favor based on his track record.

yahyes · 09-01-2017, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I read your comments, I just don't understand what you're talking about... Why did you bring up Cousins? What does he have to do with Noel? Are you trying to say Noel is a better value (or easier to land) than Cousins? Because "It's very likely compared to chasing after Cousins" isn't a coherent statement, especially within context... Whatever idea you're trying to communicate isn't coming across. You're trying to paint me as disagreeable, but I can't have an opinion about what you're saying if I don't have any clue what you're saying.

As for Noel, you obviously haven't read MY comments (which seems to be a theme whenever you post -- you talk, but you don't listen)... My best-case scenario is that he stays healthy, balls out of his mind, earns a max contract, and lures another max free agent to Dallas. Go back and read my posts, it's all there. I WANT Noel to succeed, I just don't think the odds are in his favor based on his track record.

Cousins has been talked about trying to chase after next season. Which could turn into another disappointment Mavs getting snubbed.. And there was a list of free agent centers posted above/last page. Reason why I mentioned him.

SMC0007 · 09-02-2017, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

Cousins has been talked about trying to chase after next season. Which could turn into another disappointment Mavs getting snubbed.. And there was a list of free agent centers posted above/last page. Reason why I mentioned him.

Bro. Re-read your post a few times and tell me it doesn't seem like you are either pretty high, driving or busy, or focused on other stuff and just start typing halfway through your thoughts. I think if you take a few more mins to formulate your sentences and posts in general it wouldn't be such a speed bump in the thread. I think more people might even agree to some of your opinions if they were stated more clearly.

yahyes · 09-02-2017, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Bro. Re-read your post a few times and tell me it doesn't seem like you are either pretty high, driving or busy, or focused on other stuff and just start typing halfway through your thoughts. I think if you take a few more mins to formulate your sentences and posts in general it wouldn't be such a speed bump in the thread. I think more people might even agree to some of your opinions if they were stated more clearly.

Multitasking, sport. At least you can sum it up for me right.

Bryan_Wilson · 09-02-2017, 04:55 PM

Multitasking or not, I have a better chance at understanding a random stranger on the street who talks like Farmer Fran than most of the posts yahyes makes. Many times I have to go back 5-10 posts earlier to at least somewhat make sense of it.

Even now though I'm still not positive if Noel is getting a lot of money because TT did and that makes NN an all star because the wind is currently blowing exactly 7.4 mph which if I multiply 7 by 4 and then divide by 2 because thats the number of times the mavs have been to the finals i get 14 which is the letter N numerically, and 2 N's is obviously NN for nerlens noel. And then I'm not sure about the Cousins part, I never was good with exponents and fractions.

yahyes · 09-02-2017, 05:50 PM

SMC0007 · 09-02-2017, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Multitasking or not, I have a better chance at understanding a random stranger on the street who talks like Farmer Fran than most of the posts yahyes makes. Many times I have to go back 5-10 posts earlier to at least somewhat make sense of it.

Even now though I'm still not positive if Noel is getting a lot of money because TT did and that makes NN an all star because the wind is currently blowing exactly 7.4 mph which if I multiply 7 by 4 and then divide by 2 because thats the number of times the mavs have been to the finals i get 14 which is the letter N numerically, and 2 N's is obviously NN for nerlens noel. And then I'm not sure about the Cousins part, I never was good with exponents and fractions.

You gotta carry the 1. Cousins is the remainder.

G-Man · 09-03-2017, 12:36 PM

I am not at all unhappy that Noel took the QO. He is still unproven. It is such a freak thing for any human to grow to be 7 ft tall, and some bodies just can't take the strain. Noel has yet to prove his body can. I'd rather give him a year to prove he is worth max money and pay it to him than tie up 80 million dollars on a mediocre guy with bum knees.

Cuban has made some bad bets in his time, but I don't think this is one of them. (But then, I thought it didn't make sense to max out Nash, if he couldn't defend Mike Bibby.) If Noel plays like a max player here, odds are he'll want to stay, especially since we can offer him more years and lower taxes. If he doesn't live up to his potential, we have dodged a bullet.

I'm not one to gamble $8o million, even if its Mark's money. But then I live in New Mexico. There is a casino 7 minutes from my house and I've never been inside. I just can't stand to spend money and have nothing to show for it.

Underdog · 09-03-2017, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Man

I'm not one to gamble $8o million, even if its Mark's money. But then I live in New Mexico. There is a casino 7 minutes from my house and I've never been inside. I just can't stand to spend money and have nothing to show for it.

Bingo... Let Noel earn that money.

EricaLubarsky · 09-03-2017, 11:14 PM

When does camp start?

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-07-2017, 05:56 PM

This is somewhat encouraging...

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/09/07/...on-turned-out/

Underdog · 09-07-2017, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

This is somewhat encouraging...

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/09/07/...on-turned-out/

Wow, looks like Cubes is on board for the best-case scenario... Nice to see Nerlens is pumped about this too -- we can probably rule out any sulking on his end or intentional benching on the Mavs end. Sounds like everyone is ready to kick ass this season.

Melonhead · 09-08-2017, 02:16 PM

Everyone is playing nice. Its great to see Nerlens is smart enough to keep any discontent to himself, whether he is or not.

Lets go out with a bang for Dirks final season. Im ready to buy tickets

SMC0007 · 09-08-2017, 02:28 PM

It's Noels decision to make, so as long as he plays hard as possible this season, I don't have an issue with anything so far.

It could be a long time if ever before we have another Mav like Dirk. So we shouldn't hold people up to his standards.

Underdog · 09-25-2017, 05:55 PM

@espn_macmahon: After turning down a 4-year, $70M deal, Nerlens Noel will probably have to prove his worth off the Mavs' bench.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...ely-come-bench

j0Shi · 10-25-2017, 02:05 PM

Maybe interesting RE: Noel and his agent. Seems like clients of Rich Paul are not afraid to offensively demand a trade.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nba/post/_/...gent-rich-paul

Bryan_Wilson · 10-25-2017, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Maybe interesting RE: Noel and his agent. Seems like clients of Rich Paul are not afraid to offensively demand a trade.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nba/post/_/...gent-rich-paul

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“This was a decision Eric made and, unfortunately, he has to live with that and we have to live with the consequences,” McDonough said.

I should prolly put some of this this in the around the league thread since it's not going to be entirely about Noel. But, the two situations aren't far apart really.

My issue with McDonough is apparently Bledsoe has to live with what he did but he basically glossed over the fact that Bledsoe was having a great year and they shut him down. All he said was basically "yeah we did that he was upset but hey there's always next year". That is time that Bledsoe will never get back as a player around his prime. And if it happened once who is to say it won't happen again? Suns are a mess, I wouldn't want to be there either and if he tried getting out quietly in the off season I don't really blame him at all for what he did.

And this is why last year when some wanted us to just start benching people who were playing well to tank intentionally many of us said hell no. Once you lose a players trust it's gone. When Noel has lost his trust in us he's gone. I will say I don't think it has happened yet though because I think Rich Paul is the type who would leak information out there once Noel has decided he's done with the Mavs.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-25-2017, 02:31 PM

If Noel demands a trade, then the big loser will be RC. He'll probably survive it, but he'll have to be error free from then out. The fact that he isn't playing Noel puts the onus on him.

EricaLubarsky · 10-25-2017, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

If Noel demands a trade, then the big loser will be RC. He'll probably survive it, but he'll have to be error free from then out. The fact that he isn't playing Noel puts the onus on him.

If Cuban had to decide between the two, it'd be interesting to see who he chooses.

Seems like he'd rather have Rick.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-25-2017, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If Cuban had to decide between the two, it'd be interesting to see who he chooses.

Seems like he'd rather have Rick.

I really don't want to join the fire Rick mob that is slowly but surely forming because he deserves our respect for 2011. The guy was once a master of in game adjustments. And he can coach established Vets as well as anyone.

Unfortunately, those adjustments have morphed into maddening lineups. And his favoritism with players is hit in you the face obvious.

If for some reason he was fired because of Noel or decided to quit, then I'd actually be pretty interested to see Canales as the interim coach. He is the type of young and up and coming coach that would be perfect for a young rebuilding team. I remember Portland fans thinking very highly of him and many wanted to keep him over hiring Stotts.

SMC0007 · 10-25-2017, 03:40 PM

I can't see how 5 games in Cuban is remotely thinkning fire Coach. If anyone needed an indicator of where Cuban stands, they made an offer to Noel and stood by it. Coach will have to be a part of a massively terrible rest of the season before he would make a move against Rick.. especially for a much lesser experienced replacement. I also can't imagine Cuban being a sit back and just watch RC not give Noel a chance as time goes on, if he keeps playing the way he has. He would surely be having conversations with MBT about the best approach going forward, because even if he has to conceed playoff chances, he still has to sell tickets and merch etc.

Underdog · 10-25-2017, 04:57 PM

LOL, Cuban isn't firing Carlisle over Noel as long as Smith Jr. keeps progressing... Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if benching Noel was Cuban's idea in the first place.

Underdog · 10-27-2017, 09:11 AM

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...etokounmpo-nba

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The random veering of Nerlens Noel

Noel is the only big man who regularly operates out of position:
http://media.video-cdn.espn.com/gifs...rlens_2GIF.mp4

That almost looks like a jump cut. Kosta Koufos doesn't even mean to bait Noel with that bogus handoff, but Noel rushes at the ball like a cat chasing the laser pointer.

This kind of stuff drives cantankerous, old-school, stick-to-the-freaking-scheme coaches insane. Noel is a serial gambler. He wins more bets than any man his size should, and it looks incredible when he does.

But the bad beats outnumber the improbable steals. Noel might be a massively impactful defender if he learns to modulate the aggression.

Boy, do the miserable Mavs need it. Dallas ranks 28th in points allowed per possession, and they can't rebound anything.

Their level of investment in Noel has wavered since he turned down their four-year, $70 million offer. He had barely logged any minutes alongside the Dirk Nowitzki-Harrison Barnes combo before Rick Carlisle started that trio in a home-and-home against Memphis. Noel played 12 minutes in Monday's blowout loss against the Warriors. (Foul trouble resulting from his wayward, no-chance reaches hasn't helped.)

Fitting the Barnes-Nowitzki-Noel trio is a challenge, but the Mavs need to try to make it work with Noel. It's not as if they are teeming with young, mobile bigs.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-27-2017, 09:38 AM

Noel is still relatively young and learning so I can't fully fault him for that. Plus, he is very quick on his feet and can get away with that stuff. That's what makes him unique. And it's certainly not an excuse not to play him since he is still easily one of the best players on the team.

Just don't want this to be a distraction all season long. Just play him and let him earn his money.

Bryan_Wilson · 10-27-2017, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Noel is still relatively young and learning so I can't fully fault him for that. Plus, he is very quick on his feet and can get away with that stuff. That's what makes him unique. And it's certainly not an excuse not to play him since he is still easily one of the best players on the team.

Just don't want this to be a distraction all season long. Just play him and let him earn his money.

It's more problematic when he does this tho and gets in foul trouble like he has the last 2 games. He's young so you just teach and hope he learns but the fouls are hurting him and the team since it takes him off the court, or at least gives Rick a reason to take him off the court.

EricaLubarsky · 10-27-2017, 02:51 PM

Noel's rebounding rate (% of available, so mpg is mostly irrelevant) has climbed. He's now sitting at 19.6 through six games, which would put him at 15th best center in the league in that category.

Last year he wasn't even in the top 30.

Among centers
15th in rebounding
9th in Value Added/estimated wins added

Still not elite, but definitely trending toward being a strong starter.

sefant77 · 10-27-2017, 02:55 PM

Regarding the fouls....i think he is just overmotivated...

EricaLubarsky · 10-27-2017, 03:14 PM

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Regarding the fouls....i think he is just overmotivated...

Combination of motivation and that's his game. He's a quick, mobile center that hustles without core fundamentals. He plays recklessly which gets him steals, blocks, and deflections, but also costs him some big plays.

It's just weird that he's doing that as the center. Usually the guard gambles on the steal and the center provides the help defense to back him up. Frequently it's our forwards and guards that have to slide over to help or we don't have help at all. Don't get me wrong, he's a net positive for a team with a very weak center spot, but his lack of fundamentals hurt us almost as much as they help.

AO41 · 11-01-2017, 09:13 AM

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Regarding the fouls....i think he is just overmotivated...

I agree he takes risks om D, but I also think that he gets put in a lot of bad situations having to cover for Dirk and some of the weaker defenders. I often feel like he is being stretched in 3 different directions as the ball is coming towards the basket and ends up picking up a foul.

spreedom · 11-04-2017, 12:41 AM

Buh bye

tap2390 · 11-04-2017, 07:48 AM

Hypothetically, if Nerlens walks, I could tolerate a lineup of DSJ / Seth / Porter / Barnes / Salah for one year. Hell, there’s a good chance that’s better than our current 5.

ffballer · 11-04-2017, 09:24 AM

come on man, how many players are we gonna keep losing because of carisle stubbornness? I know everyone hates on rondo, but rondo's attitude was all because of RC, same shit is going on with nerlens, RC doesn't like him, so he throws tons of shit game after game to him

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-04-2017, 10:09 AM

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come on man, how many players are we gonna keep losing because of carisle stubbornness? I know everyone hates on rondo, but rondo's attitude was all because of RC, same shit is going on with nerlens, RC doesn't like him, so he throws tons of shit game after game to him

Come on, Rondo quit during the playoffs. He has little leeway for his actions.

However, you are right with the RC stubbornness stuff continuing to polarize players. I'm curious as to what player fits under his strict tutelage? Barnes has done well, but Rick still hasn't turned him into a superstar the way I'm sure he imagined.

The NN stuff is because the FO is acting just as immature as Noel did during negotiations. The fact that NN isn't that good just compounds the situation.

I will say though that Alex Len also accepted the QO and also isn't play that much...or that much better.

Underdog · 11-04-2017, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ffballer

come on man, how many players are we gonna keep losing because of carisle stubbornness? I know everyone hates on rondo, but rondo's attitude was all because of RC, same shit is going on with nerlens, RC doesn't like him, so he throws tons of shit game after game to him

Man, I get your frustration with Carlisle, but Rondo has an entire career outside of Dallas where he's been regarded as a cancer... Plus, he never wanted to be traded to Dallas in the first place -- you can't blame that one on Rick.

Underdog · 11-04-2017, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

The NN stuff is because the FO is acting just as immature as Noel did during negotiations. The fact that NN isn't that good just compounds the situation.

Who was acting immature? Noel wants max, Dallas doesn't think he's worth max... Pretty straightforward. Plus, this whole fiasco is likely an extension of the ongoing power struggle between NBA front offices and agents -- I bet it's more about Rich Paul than Nerlens Noel.

spreedom · 11-04-2017, 12:46 PM

I'm convinced Carlisle legitimately doesn't think Nerlens is worth the extra playing time. I don't think this is any sort of leverage move to drive down his value. For better or worse, Carlisle thinks we have a better chance of achieving our goals as a team (whatever they may be) without Nerlens on the floor.

If he came in this year and kicked ass and helped us contend for a playoff spot while anchoring an above-average defense, I believe we would be happy to reward him with a big contract.