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DevinHarriswillstart · 04-16-2017, 08:35 AM

Yeah, after scouting the crap (ie googling reports) out of Frank, I would be totally fine with drafting him.

But I really don't think he'll be there at 9. My gut tells me either Isaac or Monk will fall...esp Monk. I think teams will balk at the idea of a 6'3 shooting guard.

hayth.james.g · 04-16-2017, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Livingston was a helluva prospect, they don't always fullfill their potential. Didn't his knee also explode at one point? Frank is an amazing prospect without any real flaws, and definitely a top 5 upside in this draft. There are no guarantees, but I would easily take him, probably even at 5th or 6th. If he is there at 9th, I think it's a no brainer.

This is spot on. I want Monk. I don't think he gets past Phili or the Kings though. Frank brings a tremendous ceiling with probably a 2 year learning curve. I would expect him to be a 20 minutes guy year 1, 25-30 year 2, and then finally hit his stride in year 3.

Lets try this now. Who do you take between Frank and Fox?

BPo001 · 04-16-2017, 08:57 AM

I think the Knicks take Frank assuming Phil is still running the show.

EricaLubarsky · 04-16-2017, 11:13 AM

Greek Freak is going to make some lesser GMs take a bigger chance on Frank. It's like after Dirk hit the league, everyone wanted tall white guys from Europe. I doubt Frank will be a busy like Darko but I really wonder if the Knicks or Magic take him before us because of that hype.

EricaLubarsky · 04-16-2017, 11:15 AM

Not sure

0.4% of two teams 10-14 both winning the lottery
0.01% of three of the five teams behind us winning it

hayth.james.g · 04-16-2017, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Greek Freak is going to make some lesser GMs take a bigger chance on Frank. It's like after Dirk hit the league, everyone wanted tall white guys from Europe. I doubt Frank will be a busy like Darko but I really wonder if the Knicks or Magic take him before us because of that hype.

If so, someone is dropping. I wouldn't be surprised if someone reached for Markkanen as well. Both of these scenarios bode well for us.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-16-2017, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

If so, someone is dropping. I wouldn't be surprised if someone reached for Markkanen as well. Both of these scenarios bode well for us.

I can definitely see both Isaac AND Monk being available to us. I'm assuming most would want Monk, but I dunno if that's a given on who the FO takes.

The dream scenario is Smith falling, but I wouldn't count on that.

But yeah, Frank has an unbelievable repertoire of offensive moves, is a pass first guard, and understands basically all PnR styles...oh and 6'5 with a 6'11 wingspan to boot. That's a player destined to be gone before 9.

Underdog · 04-16-2017, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I can definitely see both Isaac AND Monk being available to us. I'm assuming most would want Monk, but I dunno if that's a given on who the FO takes.

The dream scenario is Smith falling, but I wouldn't count on that.

But yeah, Frank has an unbelievable repertoire of offensive moves, is a pass first guard, and understands basically all PnR styles...oh and 6'5 with a 6'11 wingspan to boot. That's a player destined to be gone before 9.

Isaac, Monk, Smith, Fox -- any of these guys could fall to us if teams are high on Frank and reach for Markkanen.

rimrocker · 04-16-2017, 02:32 PM

I'll be doing cartwheels and backflips if I hear the name Lauri Markkanen before it is our time to pick.

As far a Ntilikina, I think he'd be a great fit with Curry in the backcourt but I do wonder if Rick will allow him to develop at a healthy pace. With Barea, Yogi, Curry and maybe Harris, Rick has options if Ntilikina struggles.
If we do draft Ntilikina it would probably be best for the Mavs to part with Harris as much as it would kill me to see that happen.

Underdog · 04-16-2017, 02:40 PM

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If we do draft Ntilikina it would probably be best for the Mavs to part with Harris as much as it would kill me to see that happen.

Devin Harris left with uncertain future in Dallas as Mavs hold team option for 2017-18

Looking likely if we draft a guard.

sefant77 · 04-16-2017, 02:46 PM

I allready had my Tankathon click where we dropped two spots...

sefant77 · 04-16-2017, 02:46 PM

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He also wanted Shane Larkin when we passed...

Because then we went away from BPA to "fit/nba ready"...

rimrocker · 04-16-2017, 10:25 PM

Just curious what some of you would think about trading Portland our pick for their two highest picks (16 and 20) if the opportunity presented itself and all of the top PGs are off the board for our current pick.

Bryan_Wilson · 04-16-2017, 10:42 PM

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Just curious what some of you would think about trading Portland our pick for their two highest picks (16 and 20) if the opportunity presented itself and all of the top PGs are off the board for our current pick.

If all the guards are gone I'd trade down for the right price for sure. I have no idea what that price is without looking at trades in the past to know what the typical return is to move up 7 spots like in this blazers scenario. But the reason Lauri or any of the bigs in this draft is not a top 10 pick to me is because he just doesn't look like anything more than a nice player. The one exception coming into this season was Giles because he looked like a possible KG starter kit from what I had read. He also could be a home run option late in a trade down scenario as his injury issues has plummeted his stock. There are plenty of nice players later in the draft tho that I'd take while also picking up additional assets if the guards are gone.

MavzMan · 04-17-2017, 08:08 AM

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Devin Harris left with uncertain future in Dallas as Mavs hold team option for 2017-18

Looking likely if we draft a guard.

If the Mavs do draft a PG, then we do have a log jam situation at that spot. But for DH specifically, I think it's fairly normal to wait until the last minute to excersize the team option just to preserve flexibility.

And even with JJB/DH and the emergence of Yogi, PG is still by far our biggest need.

EricaLubarsky · 04-17-2017, 08:41 AM

Harris played about 2/3 of his time last year at SG. It was his most productive position. He can play the point occasionally but his game is similar to Curry-- lots of shooting and driving. Not much playmaking.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-17-2017, 10:29 AM

Frank working out in NY...

https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status...ba%2Fmavericks

saclare · 04-17-2017, 10:52 AM

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Dirk played 2nd division basketball in germany...thats like garbage level

And its not about the stats, its about skills and physical tools. And Giannis, Gobert and Jokic all had them allready. A dude really into european told me during the draft that Jokic is going to kick ass for sure just because of his skill set. The little things....

What does that dude think of Frank?

sefant77 · 04-17-2017, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

Just curious what some of you would think about trading Portland our pick for their two highest picks (16 and 20) if the opportunity presented itself and all of the top PGs are off the board for our current pick.

Im picking Tatum or Isaac as our future SF with our own pick. You got six great guard and three great SF projects in the draft. There is no reason to trade down.

sefant77 · 04-17-2017, 11:23 AM

Yeah i read that the Knicks are pretty high on him...wouldnt be surprised if they reach.

BPo001 · 04-17-2017, 12:01 PM

Josh Jackson declares

https://www.google.com/amp/s/kansasc...145017264.html

EricaLubarsky · 04-17-2017, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

Just curious what some of you would think about trading Portland our pick for their two highest picks (16 and 20) if the opportunity presented itself and all of the top PGs are off the board for our current pick.

Depends if a good guard is available. If Smith, Fultz, Ball, Frank (and Fox/Monk, who I consider second-tier) are off the table, then you consider it. Bam, Collins, and others may be available lower. Plus lots of development guys who could be stars, but aren't guaranteed so they'll fall.

rimrocker · 04-17-2017, 06:12 PM

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If the Mavs do draft a PG, then we do have a log jam situation at that spot. But for DH specifically, I think it's fairly normal to wait until the last minute to excersize the team option just to preserve flexibility.

And even with JJB/DH and the emergence of Yogi, PG is still by far our biggest need.

If we miss out on the PGs I wouldn't mind giving Brussino a good look at PG in the summer. He has the skillset to play the point and at 6'9" he'd be a decent fit with Curry and/or Monk if we draft him.
I know Brussino is listed at 6'7" but that dude is much closer to 6'10" than 6'7".

Underdog · 04-17-2017, 06:35 PM

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If we miss out on the PGs I wouldn't mind giving Brussino a good look at PG in the summer. He has the skillset to play the point and at 6'9" he'd be a decent fit with Curry and/or Monk if we draft him.
I know Brussino is listed at 6'7" but that dude is much closer to 6'10" than 6'7".

That would certainly be interesting -- the kid seems to have the handles, does he have the court vision? He's a good passer, but running an entire offense is a slightly different beast.

EricaLubarsky · 04-17-2017, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

If we miss out on the PGs I wouldn't mind giving Brussino a good look at PG in the summer. He has the skillset to play the point and at 6'9" he'd be a decent fit with Curry and/or Monk if we draft him.
I know Brussino is listed at 6'7" but that dude is much closer to 6'10" than 6'7".

Point forward? Is that you, Don Sr.?

Melonhead · 04-17-2017, 08:49 PM

Really dont want to take 2 seasons to mold Brussino into a PG.

Melonhead · 04-17-2017, 08:50 PM

Knicks definitely need a PG. Theyre just working them all out. Doesnt mean theyll reach for Frank. Hes an option

rimrocker · 04-17-2017, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Point forward? Is that you, Don Sr.?

Yeah, Brussino does seem like a Nellie dream.

He just seems unique and something Rick could get creative with. I'm not necessarily thinking he'd be our answer at PG but could give Rick some options to create nightmare mismatches.
With his great ball handling skills Rick could experiment with some jumbo lineups for a change.

EricaLubarsky · 04-17-2017, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

Yeah, Brussino does seem like a Nellie dream.

He just seems unique and something Rick could get creative with. I'm not necessarily thinking he'd be our answer at PG but could give Rick some options to create nightmare mismatches.
With his great ball handling skills Rick could experiment with some jumbo lineups for a change.

Yeah I don't think he can be primary ballhandler, but he does have some nice moves and vision for a dude who is getting to be 6'9". Does make me wonder what Don Nelson would have done if he'd had Nic on the roster.

tap2390 · 04-17-2017, 11:44 PM

Seriously what the hell does everyone see in Brussino?! Because I see a guy whose ceiling is a slightly more athletic Doug McDermott.

rimrocker · 04-18-2017, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Yeah I don't think he can be primary ballhandler, but he does have some nice moves and vision for a dude who is getting to be 6'9". Does make me wonder what Don Nelson would have done if he'd had Nic on the roster.

I'd feel more comfortable with a 6"9" PG on the floor when Rick goes with a 3 PG lineup

rimrocker · 04-18-2017, 06:58 AM

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Seriously what the hell does everyone see in Brussino?! Because I see a guy whose ceiling is a slightly more athletic Doug McDermott.

I don't think anyone is suggesting this guy will be the PG of our future but he does possess PG skills that would fit well in Rick's system. I think his skills and ceiling are closer to Ginobli than McDermott.
Obviously that depends on his work ethic and attitude but the physical tools are there. He has shown he has some aggression and confidence in his game so that suggests to me, along with his size, age and skillset, that he still has some serious upside as his body matures.

MavzMan · 04-18-2017, 08:06 AM

Outside of a few special plays to try and catch the opposing team's defense off-guard (no pun intended), I don't see Nic truly playing a PG role even as a backup role. As high quality point guard heavy as this league is, he would get abused on our defensive side.

And on a side note, shouldn't this thread be in the Trade and Draft Board section?

MavzMan · 04-18-2017, 08:12 AM

If we are "forced" to trade down because all that is left is Markkanen, this year will be a complete bust. However, these mock drafts give me hope ...
Tankathon - Mavs get Frank (my last PG choice but still like the guy)
NBADraft.net - Mavs get Markkanen (but they have Frank at #12 below us, so surely we actually get him instead)
DraftExpress.com - Mavs get D Smith at #9 and have Frank at #11

So there is quite a bit of hope we get our long-term rookie PG on June 22.

SMC0007 · 04-18-2017, 08:44 AM

Why the hell does his "skills and ceiling" have to match white guys when y'all compare? Such a bs stereotype.

SMC0007 · 04-18-2017, 08:59 AM

IS PG our biggest concern and why?

EricaLubarsky · 04-18-2017, 09:35 AM

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IS PG our biggest concern and why?

Yogi isn't a starter for a good team.
Barea is a sparkplug off the bench (and he's 32)
Harris is a short SG at this point
Curry has good size for the PG but has almost no experience running lead guard.

If we look at the best player at each position, we don't have a single star at any position (Noel-C, Barnes - PF, Matthew - SF, Curry -SG), but at PG we barely have a starting-caliber player.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-18-2017, 09:38 AM

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IS PG our biggest concern and why?

You could easily make an argument that rebounding is a bigger concern. Dead last in rebounding percentage pretty much the whole season. Dead last in defensive rebounds per game. Dead last in offensive rebounds per game.

I think PG is next in line, but I have a bit of faith in a full Yogi training camp. You at least have SOMETHING there that could work out.

With rebounding though, I just don't know what the hell they're going to outside of drafting a SF who can grab some boards. Even if Noel grabs 13 boards a game, you need another position to do some of the lifting.

EricaLubarsky · 04-18-2017, 09:44 AM

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You could easily make an argument that rebounding is a bigger concern. Dead last in rebounding percentage pretty much the whole season. Dead last in defensive rebounds per game. Dead last in offensive rebounds per game.

I think PG is next in line, but I have a bit of faith in a full Yogi training camp. You at least have SOMETHING there that could work out.

With rebounding though, I just don't know what the hell they're going to outside of drafting a SF who can grab some boards. Even if Noel grabs 13 boards a game, you need another position to do some of the lifting.

I agree that rebounding is essential to be even an 8th seed, but rebounding can't be so simply addressed as PG, though. We already have starters at all three frontcourt positions. Adding a backup won't make a huge impact-- only replacing starters will. Adding a strong-rebounding guard will do something (our guards were terrible at rebounding), but ultimately we're not going to be tremendous with Dirk or Noel, Barnes, and Matthews as our frontcourt. We're also not going to be great rebounding with Dirk/Barnes at the elbow and Matthews at the three point line.

More minutes for Noel gives me hope. Late in the season he was pretty good, but still fell behind Mejri and Bogut in that stat. Perhaps with some summer work, camp, and consistent minutes he can be better.

rimrocker · 04-18-2017, 10:16 AM

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I think PG is next in line, but I have a bit of faith in a full Yogi training camp. You at least have SOMETHING there that could work out.

I agree about Yogi. Some are so quick to say he isn't starter material but I think it is simply too soon to tell.
Rick was forced to unleash him this season and it will be interesting to see how Yogi does in a more structured role.