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gmoney411 · 07-13-2014, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

If he took the energy and determination he devotes to flopping and bitching to the refs and applied it to the defensive end, he might be the best player in the league. But as bad as he is defensively, I think he's on the very low end of being a top-20 player.

Just think how destructive he would be if he was even an average defensive player.

Agreed but the NBA is mostly about offense. His lack of defense is a combination of bad effort and poor coaching. That doesn't happen with Carlisle coaching. I think he's on the low end of the top 15 at worst and there aren't 10 players in the league I'd rather have.

Vinsanity · 07-13-2014, 05:03 PM

Parsons is a Mav!!! Wooiooo!!!

Harris
Ellis
Parsons
Dirk
Tyson

See ya in the Finals Cleveland

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-13-2014, 05:05 PM

F*** YEAH!

spreedom · 07-13-2014, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gmoney411

Agreed but the NBA is mostly about offense. His lack of defense is a combination of bad effort and poor coaching. That doesn't happen with Carlisle coaching. I think he's on the low end of the top 15 at worst and there aren't 10 players in the league I'd rather have.

Fair enough. I don't think even Popovich or Carlisle could coach him up to being an average defender... he just doesn't give a squirt of shit on that end.

Mav Addict · 07-13-2014, 05:08 PM

I wanted Parsons, but figured they would match, and finally accepted Stephenson.

I wonder where he will end up.

fluid.forty.one · 07-13-2014, 05:09 PM

All signs point to the Rockets matching Parsons if they had gotten Bosh, right? I'm not sure I follow their logic that led them to not needing/wanting him now.

oilfieldtrash · 07-13-2014, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

Have fun with Parsons.

We will. Thanks. Also don't worry that you guys lost Asik, Lin, and Parsons and only added Ariza. Spending max on two mediocre players sucks huh?

oilfieldtrash · 07-13-2014, 05:12 PM

Btw I called this yesterday. I really have no idea why anyone even thought it was a possibility they'd match. It made absolutely no sense.

Underdog · 07-13-2014, 05:12 PM

@ESPNSteinLine: Sources say Mavs & Rockets talking potential sign-&-trade that would create trade exception for Houston. But Dallas gets Parsons either way

Kante · 07-13-2014, 05:12 PM

Stein: Sources say Mavs & Rockets talking potential sign-&-trade that would create trade exception for Houston. But Dallas gets Parsons either way.

Possible?

dude1394 · 07-13-2014, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gmoney411

Anybody that says Harden's game is completely dependent on officiating doesn't watch him play. He relies on calls way too much but he doesn't need them to be successful. He gets calls because he is one of the best players in the league at getting to the rim. Also, the refs aren't helping him hit 3 pointers. If he abandoned his dependence on drawing fouls he would still be an all star.

The dude flops getting out of bed.

spreedom · 07-13-2014, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

All signs point to the Rockets matching Parsons if they had gotten Bosh, right? I'm not sure I follow their logic that led them to not needing/wanting him now.

I think they either wanted to go all-in on a Howard-Bosh-Parsons-Harden or wanted to keep flexibility when building around Howard-Harden only. I don't REALLY think it should have been an either/or scenario to that degree, but Morey is a pretty smart guy... he knows what he's doing.

dude1394 · 07-13-2014, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

Have fun with Parsons.

We will. We will win a hell of a lot of games too. Might even like the view of looking down on you in the standings. Good luck with that Dwight guy.

oilfieldtrash · 07-13-2014, 05:16 PM

Where are you guys getting this all in BS? Has the Houston owner ever once shown that he's willing to go into luxury tax territory for a contender? Just one example please?

Five-ofan · 07-13-2014, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gmoney411

Anybody that says Harden's game is completely dependent on officiating doesn't watch him play. He relies on calls way too much but he doesn't need them to be successful. He gets calls because he is one of the best players in the league at getting to the rim. Also, the refs aren't helping him hit 3 pointers. If he abandoned his dependence on drawing fouls he would still be an all star.

Whether or not he could dominate without the calls and whether or not his current game is based on them are entirely different questions. He absolutely has all the talent in the world on the offensive end, but his game is based on getting those calls.

As for his defense, he was a decent defender in okc. Either Them putting him on Lebron in the finals and him getting torched mentally broke him or the extra effort that he spends being the man/running all the offense took all his energy because there's nothing that physically keeps him from being a solid defender

Melonhead · 07-13-2014, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Where are you guys getting this all in BS? Has the Houston owner ever once shown that he's willing to go into luxury tax territory for a contender? Just one example please?

This also made me scratch my head. Rocket fans were saying this repeatedly as if it was a known fact. Now Morey would probably do it with his pride, but the owner isnt Morey.

Underdog · 07-13-2014, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

I think they either wanted to go all-in on a Howard-Bosh-Parsons-Harden or wanted to keep flexibility when building around Howard-Harden only. I don't REALLY think it should have been an either/or scenario to that degree, but Morey is a pretty smart guy... he knows what he's doing.

I keep hearing about how smart he is, but he could've kept Parsons for $964,000 and didn't... So is he?

Vinsanity · 07-13-2014, 05:19 PM

Ahhh it feels good to be the second best team in Texas once again

spreedom · 07-13-2014, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I keep hearing about how smart he is, but he could've kept Parsons for $964,000 and didn't... So is he?

Calculated risk that blew up in his face. Not like the MBT is immune to that.

But, this off-season (lost: Asik, Lin, Parsons; gained: Ariza, ???) looks pretty f'ing bad for him.

Melonhead · 07-13-2014, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gmoney411

Anybody that says Harden's game is completely dependent on officiating doesn't watch him play. He relies on calls way too much but he doesn't need them to be successful. He gets calls because he is one of the best players in the league at getting to the rim. Also, the refs aren't helping him hit 3 pointers. If he abandoned his dependence on drawing fouls he would still be an all star.

Thats the thing though. He doesnt need to rely so hard on them. Thats what makes him such an irritating player. And that GD beard that helps him whip his head back like whiplash in a car crash.

BPo001 · 07-13-2014, 05:22 PM

How would it benefit the Mavs to do a S-n-T for Parsons?

fluid.forty.one · 07-13-2014, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I keep hearing about how smart he is, but he could've kept Parsons for $964,000 and didn't... So is he?

Yeah I'm not buying it either. Rockets lost Asik, Lin and Parsons this off-season for..... Ariza? What else?

Five-ofan · 07-13-2014, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

but Morey is a pretty smart guy... he knows what he's doing.

He is, but is he too smart for his own good? Because the way he handled the parsons thing was idiotic unless he really thought parsons wanted to go somewhere else. If he had simply excercised the team options parsons would have only counted 900k against the cap and they still could have tried the max fa route. If they struck out, they would have had him as an asset or as a really cheap player with another shot to go after a Max fa next year and still be able to go over the cap to keep him.

Really the only way this had a chance to go badly for Houston was if they did what they did. That's not smart. That's trying so hard to outsmart everyone else that you do something stupid.

Jack.Kerr · 07-13-2014, 05:23 PM

Film at 11.

EricaLubarsky · 07-13-2014, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

How would it benefit the Mavs to do a S-n-T for Parsons?

Only to make Houston happy. I say screw 'em, but the NBA is a small league and screwing Houston could hurt a future trade with another team if they didn't like how we dealt.

G-Man · 07-13-2014, 05:24 PM

So Parsons starts and we have Jefferson and Crowder coming off the bench. I would love to see Jefferson round into a VC kind of off the bench guy. In Utah last year he starting and playing 27 minutes. Cut that in half and get him to go all out for a few 5 minute stretches and he could be a bug help. Keep Jae in the gym shooting 3's this off season and he could make our 3 spot one of the league's best. Crowder gets more minutes when we need defense, but Parsons is the closer now, instead of Vince. Major upgrade all around.

Underdog · 07-13-2014, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

Calculated risk that blew up in his face. Not like the MBT is immune to that.

But, this off-season (lost: Asik, Lin, Parsons; gained: Ariza, ???) looks pretty f'ing bad for him.

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Yeah I'm not buying it either. Rockets lost Asik, Lin and Parsons this off-season for..... Ariza? What else?

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

He is, but is he too smart for his own good? Because the way he handled the parsons thing was idiotic unless he really thought parsons wanted to go somewhere else. If he had simply excercised the team options parsons would have only counted 900k against the cap and they still could have tried the max fa route. If they struck out, they would have had him as an asset or as a really cheap player with another shot to go after a Max fa next year and still be able to go over the cap to keep him.

Really the only way this had a chance to go badly for Houston was if they did what they did. That's not smart. That's trying so hard to outsmart everyone else that you do something stupid.

2013-14 Rockets > 2014-15 Rockets

gmoney411 · 07-13-2014, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Thats the thing though. He doesnt need to rely so hard on them. Thats what makes him such an irritating player. And that GD beard that helps him whip his head back like whiplash in a car crash.

I couldn't agree more. I wish they would stop giving him those calls so he would stop trying to get them.

EricaLubarsky · 07-13-2014, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

He is, but is he too smart for his own good? Because the way he handled the parsons thing was idiotic unless he really thought parsons wanted to go somewhere else. If he had simply excercised the team options parsons would have only counted 900k against the cap and they still could have tried the max fa route. If they struck out, they would have had him as an asset or as a really cheap player with another shot to go after a Max fa next year and still be able to go over the cap to keep him.

Really the only way this had a chance to go badly for Houston was if they did what they did. That's not smart. That's trying so hard to outsmart everyone else that you do something stupid.

I still don't understand how the whole thing happened unless one of three things happened:

1) Morey was completely mentally deficient or totally desperate to get something in free agency to the point that he let go of one of the most underpaied guys in the league
2) Parsons demanded to be let go, because he wanted to leave Houston.
3) Parsons and Morey worked out a Boozer-like deal where Houston would allow Parsons out of his contract in exchange for a large paycheck.

#3 seems really unlikely, because Parsons would have been able to sign an unbelievably high contract after next year-- possibly netting him more money than he's getting with us.

#2 doesn't seem terribly likely either, unless Morey had no idea that there'd be interest in Parsons or was oblivious to the fact that RFAs could be poached.

Underdog · 07-13-2014, 05:30 PM

@SportsSturm: I swear, that decline decision on a 1-year option for Parsons at under $1m is the craziest Non-Jerry GM move I have seen.

rabbitproof · 07-13-2014, 05:30 PM

I think it was hard to anticipate not getting a FA and seeing Parsons get 15m per. Cuban made Parsons an offer he couldn't refuse and an offer Morey could not match. Morey played the odds and lost - wouldn't say it was stupid or anything like that.

I'm happy we got CP25, especially for the long haul, but curious what we would've done if we were able to land Ariza/Deng for 8-10.

Also, why would we do the TE with Houston?

rabbitproof · 07-13-2014, 05:32 PM

Houston just did a TE with Washington for Ariza. Ring a round the rosey.

Windmill360 · 07-13-2014, 05:34 PM

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-13-2014, 05:35 PM

Parsons confirms it on twitter...

Chandler Parsons @ChandlerParsons · 16m
Just heard from @dmorey and Mr. Alexander. Nothing but utmost respect for them, the fans and city of Houston. THANK YOU for your support!

chumdawg · 07-13-2014, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

He is, but is he too smart for his own good? Because the way he handled the parsons thing was idiotic unless he really thought parsons wanted to go somewhere else. If he had simply excercised the team options parsons would have only counted 900k against the cap and they still could have tried the max fa route. If they struck out, they would have had him as an asset or as a really cheap player with another shot to go after a Max fa next year and still be able to go over the cap to keep him.

Really the only way this had a chance to go badly for Houston was if they did what they did. That's not smart. That's trying so hard to outsmart everyone else that you do something stupid.

Nobody misses that big. Nobody. Got to be another explanation.