Odom is a doofus

[clutch#41]

would've liked getting mo williams for him. but i guess financially it wouldnt work out in our favor

[BGMaverick9]

The rare case where it takes three to tango.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...lks-lamar-odom

Nice to hear that there's something going on. Sort of surprised the Clips would want to take him on. But then at the same time, why am I not surprised that the Clips would be the ones that want to take him on?

[BGMaverick9]

The Mavericks could ultimately unload Odom and get the trade exception from the Lakers they gave to them to get Odom in the first place.

[pepe]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

The Mavericks could ultimately unload Odom and get the trade exception from the Lakers they gave to them to get Odom in the first place.

BG or anybody any insight into this rumor coming out of La Marca newspaper out of Madrid? How credible are these folks? I guess they are big in Europe.

http://www.marca.com/2012/06/26/balo...340691829.html

Is in Spanish....

Pau to Dallas

Bynum to Orlando

DHoward to Lakers

With Dallas adding some cap relief (Odom) and other assets

[BGMaverick9]

All I know is they haven't officially set the date and opponent for the game against Spain and part of it is due to waiting to see what happens with Pau Gasol.

[BGMaverick9]

Utah has emerged as a viable 3rd team (to acquire Mo)
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/81...-clippers-deal

He might actually do well there, not a clear cut PG option, Millsap and Jefferson can suck defenders in.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Utah has emerged as a viable 3rd team (to acquire Mo)
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/81...-clippers-deal

He might actually do well there, not a clear cut PG option, Millsap and Jefferson can suck defenders in.

Hopefully we don't take anything back.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Utah has emerged as a viable 3rd team (to acquire Mo)
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/81...-clippers-deal

He might actually do well there, not a clear cut PG option, Millsap and Jefferson can suck defenders in.

I'm slaughtering a calf ASAP.

[Kidd Karma]

Read somewhere, probably earlier in the week, that Mo was going to pick up the option despite being behind Bledsoe and Paul, just because he's earned the 8.5.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Read somewhere, probably earlier in the week, that Mo was going to pick up the option despite being behind Bledsoe and Paul, just because he's earned the 8.5.

"Earned"
I doubt he feels he can make more than that on the open market right now. It seems like a good fit in Utah. They don't have any perimeter shooting and their guards are messy.

Dallas gets what they want out of the deal...a coke and a smile.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

"Earned"
I doubt he feels he can make more than that on the open market right now. It seems like a good fit in Utah. They don't have any perimeter shooting and their guards are messy.

Dallas gets what they want out of the deal...a coke and a smile.

No doubt.

Harris, Watson, Burks

[jthig32]

Just so everyone's aware, this would essentially eliminate the possibility of acquiring Deron via SnT, the way DLord laid out.

I never thought that was going to happen, just wanted to make sure everyone is aware that while offloading Odom for nothing is good because it opens up 2.4 Mil, it's bound to be somewhat disappointing to the Mavs, who would have preferred he move his deadline back to give them more time to make a better move.

[Kidd Karma]

Anyone have Mo Williams' legit twitter?

[Kidd Karma]

Sam Amico: Clippers interested in Cavs round 2 pick. Don't know if it's related to Odom-Williams.

[oilfieldtrash]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Just so everyone's aware, this would essentially eliminate the possibility of acquiring Deron via SnT, the way DLord laid out.

I never thought that was going to happen, just wanted to make sure everyone is aware that while offloading Odom for nothing is good because it opens up 2.4 Mil, it's bound to be somewhat disappointing to the Mavs, who would have preferred he move his deadline back to give them more time to make a better move.

This is awesome news as it stands. To have Lamar off the books is a Godsend.
The Mavs continue to show why they have one of the best front offices in the NBA. I expect more magic at tonight's draft.

Don't the mavs get back some trade exception? What can we do with that?

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Don't the mavs get back some trade exception? What can we do with that?

It'd be an 8.2 million dollar TE, so nothing to sneeze at. Would definitely give them another tool to add salary after going under the cap to sign free agents. Still more limited in its usefulness than Lamar's contract, though, since Lamar's salary could be combined with another player's to match dollars on a max deal.

[aexchange]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Just so everyone's aware, this would essentially eliminate the possibility of acquiring Deron via SnT, the way DLord laid out.

I never thought that was going to happen, just wanted to make sure everyone is aware that while offloading Odom for nothing is good because it opens up 2.4 Mil, it's bound to be somewhat disappointing to the Mavs, who would have preferred he move his deadline back to give them more time to make a better move.

Are we still in a position where we have to renounce the rights to Kidd and Terry in order to clear the cap space needed for Deron?

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

This is awesome news as it stands. To have Lamar off the books is a Godsend.
The Mavs continue to show why they have one of the best front offices in the NBA. I expect more magic at tonight's draft.

Don't the mavs get back some trade exception? What can we do with that?

8.2 million exception, we get it for a year and trade for player/players that make less than that without shipping anyone out. Could be good for a Howard type deal, in that we would absorb a salary without giving a contract back.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by aexchange

Are we still in a position where we have to renounce the rights to Kidd and Terry in order to clear the cap space needed for Deron?

We have 41 in salary 16-17 million for Deron, yes we will need to. Kidd's cap hold alone is over 8 million. Assuming a 58 million cap. A sign and trade possibility exists where we ship Boobs-Jones back will alleviate the cap a bit more, but not to the point where we can vaoid renouncing them. Now combine that with talk about amnestying one of the 8-9 million dollar deals between Wood and Marion, that should help us from renouncing Kidd.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

It'd be an 8.2 million dollar TE, so nothing to sneeze at. Would definitely give them another tool to add salary after going under the cap to sign free agents. Still more limited in its usefulness than Lamar's contract, though, since Lamar's salary could be combined with another player's to match dollars on a max deal.

Keep in mind that you have to renounce all exceptions, including Trade Exceptions, to claim your max cap space and sign someone like DWill.

Originally Posted by aexchange

Are we still in a position where we have to renounce the rights to Kidd and Terry in order to clear the cap space needed for Deron?

Yes

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Keep in mind that you have to renounce all exceptions, including Trade Exceptions, to claim your max cap space and sign someone like DWill.

Ah, didn't realize you had to renounce TEs, too. That is a bummer.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Keep in mind that you have to renounce all exceptions, including Trade Exceptions, to claim your max cap space and sign someone like DWill.



Yes

Oh geez, that sucks...exception wise, but if the move goes through we get another 2.4 million of freed up space.....that would have been dead weight.

[aexchange]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

We have 41 in salary 16-17 million for Deron, yes we will need to. Kidd's cap hold alone is over 8 million. Assuming a 58 million cap. A sign and trade possibility exists where we ship Boobs-Jones back will alleviate the cap a bit more, but not to the point where we can vaoid renouncing them. Now combine that with talk about amnestying one of the 8-9 million dollar deals between Wood and Marion, that should help us from renouncing Kidd.

That's what I was worried about. I thought one of the bonuses of doing a S&T for Deron was that it allowed the Mavs (if they wanted) to continue to operate over the cap but under the luxury tax line w/o renouncing Kidd and Terry.

I guess the only real option is to renounce Terry and/or Kidd, potentially amnesty Haywood (doubtful), and try to get something decent back for your trade exception.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Stein was on with Coop and said the deal would go through. The only thing holding it up is Williams exercising his player option.

[aexchange]

Originally Posted by aexchange

That's what I was worried about. I thought one of the bonuses of doing a S&T for Deron was that it allowed the Mavs (if they wanted) to continue to operate over the cap but under the luxury tax line w/o renouncing Kidd and Terry.

I guess the only real option is to renounce Terry and/or Kidd, potentially amnesty Haywood (doubtful), and try to get something decent back for your trade exception.

I was wrong. This is depressing.

26. How do exceptions count against the cap? Does being under the cap always mean that a team has room to sign free agents? Do teams ever lose their exceptions?

If a team is below the cap, then their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level (either the Taxpayer or Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level, whichever applies to the team) and/or trade exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap1. This is to prevent a loophole, in a manner similar to free agent amounts (see question number 38). A team can't act like it's under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or trade exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to their team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. There would be no point in doing so, since there is no cap room for signing free agents.
So being under the cap does not necessarily mean a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $58 million, and a team has $51.5 million committed to salaries. They also have a Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception for $5 million and a trade exception for $5.5 million. Even though their salaries put them $6.5 million under the cap, their exceptions also count toward their team salary, increasing their total to $62 million, or $4 million over the cap. So the team actually has no cap room to sign free agents, and instead must use its exceptions to sign players.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I'm guessing that Odom wasn't willing to move his deadline. I knew that was a long shot at best.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by aexchange

I was wrong. This is depressing.

26. How do exceptions count against the cap? Does being under the cap always mean that a team has room to sign free agents? Do teams ever lose their exceptions?

If a team is below the cap, then their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level (either the Taxpayer or Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level, whichever applies to the team) and/or trade exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap1. This is to prevent a loophole, in a manner similar to free agent amounts (see question number 38). A team can't act like it's under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or trade exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to their team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. There would be no point in doing so, since there is no cap room for signing free agents.
So being under the cap does not necessarily mean a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $58 million, and a team has $51.5 million committed to salaries. They also have a Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception for $5 million and a trade exception for $5.5 million. Even though their salaries put them $6.5 million under the cap, their exceptions also count toward their team salary, increasing their total to $62 million, or $4 million over the cap. So the team actually has no cap room to sign free agents, and instead must use its exceptions to sign players.

Doing a SnT for Deron (where they salary match) would accomplish that.

But it's not going to happen.

[aexchange]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Doing a SnT for Deron (where they salary match) would accomplish that.

But it's not going to happen.

If I read things correctly, its going to be next to impossible for the Mavs to sign D-Will without amnestying or trading one of Marion or Haywood. If the cap stays at $58M, they have almost $45M tied up in guaranteed contracts.

Marion or Haywood have to be flipped or amnestied this off season. Losing Marion creates a huge gap on D, while losing Haywood might not be as horrible if we can resign Mahimi to a reasonable deal.

Here's hoping the Mavs are able to push back the deadline.

[oilfieldtrash]

Originally Posted by aexchange

If I read things correctly, its going to be next to impossible for the Mavs to sign D-Will without amnestying or trading one of Marion or Haywood. If the cap stays at $58M, they have almost $45M tied up in guaranteed contracts.

Marion or Haywood have to be flipped or amnestied this off season. Losing Marion creates a huge gap on D, while losing Haywood might not be as horrible if we can resign Mahimi to a reasonable deal.

Here's hoping the Mavs are able to push back the deadline.

The deal is done. Just waiting for Mo to pick up his player option for 8.2 million which he should since he won't get that on the open market. I really don't see him getting 4-5mil a year on the market so no way he waives the 8.2mil.

[aexchange]

I presume the Mavs already have this scenario mapped out and now need to try to flip Haywood to a potential taker. Looking at possible candidates, my guess is that Cleveland or Sacramento might be possible destinations.

Haywood, Roddy/Dojo, and future first for cap space?

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Just so everyone's aware, this would essentially eliminate the possibility of acquiring Deron via SnT, the way DLord laid out.

I never thought that was going to happen, just wanted to make sure everyone is aware that while offloading Odom for nothing is good because it opens up 2.4 Mil, it's bound to be somewhat disappointing to the Mavs, who would have preferred he move his deadline back to give them more time to make a better move.

Would have been nice, but I would surmise those extension discussions went nowhere,thus the Mavs allowing Schwartz to go seek out a trade, in which he found the Clippers as interested in paying the full salary for the season. Rather than saying no, holding an agent.....who happens to be Deron's agent as well a hostage, we did them both favor and got his full salary for the season. At the end of the day we don't know who Deron chooses, but we stuck a couple favors in Schwartz' pocket for later consumption in this whole Odom ordeal, saving him from LA, paid him the full season and got money that no expected to come for 2012-13. Now Schwartz can be a voice in Williams' head, as well as Kidd's head as well.

[spreedom]

Question: if Haywood does by some miracle get traded, is Matrix safer this offseason or a more likely candidate for the Amnesty?

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by aexchange

If I read things correctly, its going to be next to impossible for the Mavs to sign D-Will without amnestying or trading one of Marion or Haywood. If the cap stays at $58M, they have almost $45M tied up in guaranteed contracts.

Marion or Haywood have to be flipped or amnestied this off season. Losing Marion creates a huge gap on D, while losing Haywood might not be as horrible if we can resign Mahimi to a reasonable deal.

Here's hoping the Mavs are able to push back the deadline.

I don't think anything's set in stone on what they need to do. We don't even know what the cap is yet.

If it stays at 58 mil, they can trade Roddy and Dojo for nothing, waive VC (using the stretch provision), and they're pretty damn close to having enough room (although a first round pick would complicate matters).

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I don't think anything's set in stone on what they need to do. We don't even know what the cap is yet.

If it stays at 58 mil, they can trade Roddy and Dojo for nothing, waive VC (using the stretch provision), and they're pretty damn close to having enough room (although a first round pick would complicate matters).

What's the cap hold for an as-yet-unsigned 1st rounder? Rookie salary as determined by draft order? Or something more generic?

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

What's the cap hold for an as-yet-unsigned 1st rounder? Rookie salary as determined by draft order? Or something more generic?

Yep, it's the scale amount for the draft slot.

According to Hoopsworld (did I really just say that????!!!) it's 1.3 Mil for the 17th pick this season.

[Kidd Karma]

ESPNLA is now reporting Williams will opt in and go to Utah.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Yep, it's the scale amount for the draft slot.

According to Hoopsworld (did I really just say that????!!!) it's 1.3 Mil for the 17th pick this season.

The Mavericks saved roughly around $339,000 by trading down to 24 from 17.

[dude1394]

Hot dang...we got jerry capspace in the draft. To go with Johnny!

[spreedom]

Traded Kelenna to Cleveland in the deal too, shaving another $1M off the books.