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DevinHarriswillstart · 07-01-2016, 06:10 PM

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Hibbert and lance stephenson will be onthe roster

I'd rather watch a nose bleed than watch Roy Hibbert. Just play Hammons if it comes to it.

yahyes · 07-01-2016, 06:13 PM

See I think Horford is a player you want to keep all the way till he retires like Dirk. So Cuban should offer him 4-5 years like he can be the actual one to build around. Even if we tank with him. Would be a solid long term guy.

Underdog · 07-01-2016, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

See I think Horford is a player you want to keep all the way till he retires like Dirk. So Cuban should offer him 4-5 years like he can be the actual one to build around. Even if we tank with him. Would be a solid long term guy.

Why the hell would Horford want to be any part of that when better teams can offer him the same money??

yahyes · 07-01-2016, 06:17 PM

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Why the hell would Horford want to be any part of that when better teams can offer him the same money??

It's not possible to shed some cap making it a 5 year? Can it be even possible to outbid a team? I mean he might be looking to be the main scorer on the team. Not under Durant. Who knows. Just looking at the outlook with Howard going to Atlanta.

Kidd Karma · 07-01-2016, 06:17 PM

All in for Horford.

yahyes · 07-01-2016, 06:21 PM

I'll be all for Horford here to the point of being fine if Anderson starts at SF.

Melonhead · 07-01-2016, 06:22 PM

Lol why even bring Horford up. In case you haven't noticed the mavs aren't getting ANY free agent that has a choice. All we will get are leftovers that are desperate for a team. Maybe we'll get a lucky salary dump but the mavs won't be acquiring someone like Horford.

Underdog · 07-01-2016, 06:23 PM

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All in for Horford.

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I'll be all for Horford here to the point of being fine if Anderson starts at SF.

Well, just be sure to turn out the lights and lock up before you join the rest of the fanbase in the suicide booth...

ocelot_ark · 07-01-2016, 06:25 PM

Horford is irrelevant. Mavs not involved in his bidding war. Probably realize they've got 0 shot.

yahyes · 07-01-2016, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Well, just be sure to turn out the lights and lock up before you join the rest of the fanbase in the suicide booth...

So there's not enough cap the Mavs have to spend higher than any team on Horford?

Underdog · 07-01-2016, 06:28 PM

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So there's not enough cap the Mavs have to spend higher than any team on Horford?

That's not how it works -- every team can offer the exact same maximum as the Mavs.

yahyes · 07-01-2016, 06:30 PM

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That's not how it works -- every team can offer the exact same maximum as the Mavs.

Depending on their situation. So far the Horford is getting a max offer from the Celtics. You think he wants to play center there?

G-Man · 07-01-2016, 06:32 PM

As bad as this is, it can't hurt as much as being jerked around last year did. We were so close to being good. Now, we are equally close to a top 5 lottery pick next year. Whoopee.

Underdog · 07-01-2016, 06:32 PM

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Depending on their situation. So far the Horford is getting a max offer from the Celtics. You think he wants to play center there?

Over the Mavs? Yes.

yahyes · 07-01-2016, 06:38 PM

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Over the Mavs? Yes.

Guess he would be high on Isaiah Thomas then.. Even though JJ can at times be a solid enough backup to look better than Isaiah Thomas.

Underdog · 07-01-2016, 06:41 PM

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Guess he would be high on Isaiah Thomas then.. Even though JJ can at times be a solid enough backup to look better than Isaiah Thomas.

Guess he'd be high on a team trending up instead of one trending down... Probably why you're hearing zero rumors connecting Horford and the Mavs.

yahyes · 07-01-2016, 06:55 PM

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Guess he'd be high on a team trending up instead of one trending down... Probably why you're hearing zero rumors connecting Horford and the Mavs.

It's been discussed on other blogs before the Whiteside talk started. Just mentioning now that Howard took his spot basically. And wondering if Donnie is trying something cause all he's really talked to is the Celtics. Him going to the thunder might not fall through either. So it's easy to talk about.

Bryan_Wilson · 07-01-2016, 07:09 PM

Without looking at all 30 NBA teams I'm sure Horford would rather go to 25 of them over us right now. We are literally a roster of old Dirk and a Wes Matthews who is coming off probably his worst NBA season. Nobody else is worth mentioning because none of them are even starting caliber players for any type of contender.

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And as for the Celtics they have basically everything except a superstar. And they have more than enough assets to get one when the time is right for them. If Horford were to go there they could still use those assets and get someone else. They still have like 3 future firsts owed to them and 5 2nd's and a boatload of young players with value. We are not even in the same zip code as the Celtics as far as attractiveness right now.

yahyes · 07-01-2016, 08:41 PM

Wade talks are getting talked more. Already an offer Dallas made. That would be surreal to say the least seeing him and Dirk team up.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-01-2016, 08:46 PM

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Without looking at all 30 NBA teams I'm sure Horford would rather go to 25 of them over us right now. We are literally a roster of old Dirk and a Wes Matthews who is coming off probably his worst NBA season. Nobody else is worth mentioning because none of them are even starting caliber players for any type of contender.

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And as for the Celtics they have basically everything except a superstar. And they have more than enough assets to get one when the time is right for them. If Horford were to go there they could still use those assets and get someone else. They still have like 3 future firsts owed to them and 5 2nd's and a boatload of young players with value. We are not even in the same zip code as the Celtics as far as attractiveness right now.

Boston is a f*cking paradise compared to the desolate wasteland that is Dallas right now. I don't know who it will be, but it's only a matter of time before Boston lands a marquee name- who will be surrounded by young talent. We're about to be in post-Iverson Sixers territory.

spreedom · 07-02-2016, 12:41 AM

Sweet jesus, this free agency has started as horribly as it possibly could have. At this point, I'm championing a campaign for the Mavs to throw $75M at Biyombo.

hayth.james.g · 07-02-2016, 03:19 AM

At this point I'm fairly sure Cuban is prepping for a meeting this morning with Dirk. It's a sad day for the Mavs when your forced to explore letting go of your once in a generation superstar because you have failed him not once, not twice, not three times, not four times, but five consecutive years in a row.

Additionally, despite his recent extension I find it hard to see Rick staying on. Are we really trying to bring in Wade? The fit makes little sense in my eyes.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for the passion and energy Cuban has brought Dallas. There are very few owners who have done more for a city or franchise than he in such a short time. But at the end of the day, the management of this roster since 2011 has been a disaster. I just have a hard time seeing it any other way. In my own admission, I have generally agreed with most of the moves made and our hopes to hit the home run in free agency. We just failed in execution.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2016, 09:21 AM

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Wade talks are getting talked more. Already an offer Dallas made. That would be surreal to say the least seeing him and Dirk team up.

Dallas made no such offer according to Mike Fisher. He seems to be much more tuned in this offseason.

He has been "told" that the Mavs hopes rely on taking bloated contracts of teams that need to clear space.

And if you really want your eyes to bleed...Mavs weren't interested in any of the free agents after Conley/Batum/Whiteside because of "fiscal responsibility."

http://www.scout.com/nba/mavericks/s...ef-trade-ideas

tap2390 · 07-02-2016, 09:25 AM

Stop it. No trading for Dragic/Kanter so we field a 35 win team instead of a 20 win team. Tank. Tank. Tank.

Budapest Maverick · 07-02-2016, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Dallas made no such offer according to Mike Fisher. He seems to be much more tuned in this offseason.

He has been "told" that the Mavs hopes rely on taking bloated contracts of teams that need to clear space.

And if you really want your eyes to bleed...Mavs weren't interested in any of the free agents after Conley/Batum/Whiteside because of "fiscal responsibility."

http://www.scout.com/nba/mavericks/s...ef-trade-ideas

Those are actually great news if true. This would indicate we finally start the rebuild properly.

Underdog · 07-02-2016, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Dallas made no such offer according to Mike Fisher. He seems to be much more tuned in this offseason.

He has been "told" that the Mavs hopes rely on taking bloated contracts of teams that need to clear space.

And if you really want your eyes to bleed...Mavs weren't interested in any of the free agents after Conley/Batum/Whiteside because of "fiscal responsibility."

http://www.scout.com/nba/mavericks/s...ef-trade-ideas

I think Michael Dugat made a pretty good argument against Fish's article...

@mdug: My issue w/ this, if it's a FO priority, it puts all else on hold in hopes of getting meh players, at least these 2

@mdug: To me, Bogut is pointless to acquire as anything but an afterthought. Can't stay on the court, ever. Kanter isn't bad, but beside Dirk?

@mdug: Imagine Dirk and Kanter on the floor together. My imagination has a hard time finding a scenario in which Carlisle is OK with that.

@mdug: I like the story and am not saying it's a bad thought. I am saying putting any other avenues on hold for hopes at Bogut or Kanter is stupid

@mdug: Not because of the tactic, because of the goal players.

@mdug: I guess right now I'm hung up on Horford. Mavs lack of interest makes zero sense in context with known variables.

@mdug: Mavs are either being incredibly stupid, or there's a simple fact (or Mavs believed fact) we don't have access to.

@mdug: But if it's Kanter or Bogut keeping you from chasing Horford, that's stupid.

purplefrog · 07-02-2016, 09:39 AM

Yep, the bloat relief idea is where this is headed. "Why pay second and third tier FAs when you can wait and be opportunistic". Sounds like a Cuban idea to me. And it may work, but it is awfully risky. Also, why should a team deal with the Mavs when there are other teams with cap space? Maybe, if we wait long enough all the cap space will disappear and the Mavs will be left as one of the few places where it can happen. That's all being overly optimistic, but I do believe it is where we stand.

I would add to Fisher's article the Clippers (pursuing Durant and would have to unload JJ Reddick, etc) and the Kings who are reportedly looking to dump Rudy Gay. Why? Because he is Rudy Gay, I guess.

The point being, i don't expect any news out of Mavs land until some of these scenarios play out.

"We are going to keep our powder dry".

Edit: I tend to agree with Dugat, but I don't think Cuban does.

Underdog · 07-02-2016, 09:44 AM

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Maybe, if we wait long enough all the cap space will disappear and the Mavs will be left as one of the few places where it can happen. That's all being overly optimistic, but I do believe it is where we stand.

That's is not going to happen this year -- there are still about 20 teams that can offer max contracts, everybody still has cap space.

We missed our chance to overpay for good players, now we have to overpay for mediocre players... By the time all the cap space dries up, guys like Zaza are going to be looking at $16m contracts.

Budapest Maverick · 07-02-2016, 09:54 AM

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That's is not going to happen this year -- there are still about 20 teams that can offer max contracts, everybody still has cap space.

We missed our chance to overpay for good players, now we have to overpay for mediocre players... By the time all the cap space dries up, guys like Zaza are going to be looking at $16m contracts.

Or we could do the right thing, and rebuild, liked Cuban said last year, which turned out to be a lie, but maybe this time he realizes that it's time.

Underdog · 07-02-2016, 09:59 AM

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Or we could do the right thing, and rebuild, liked Cuban said last year, which turned out to be a lie, but maybe this time he realizes that it's time.

Boy, I hope so... But Fish doesn't seem to think so, and Cuban is a stubborn sonuvabitch.

ActionJackson · 07-02-2016, 10:02 AM

There's still Durant and LeBron out there. Just saying.

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2016, 10:05 AM

Help clear cap space in exchange for picks. Rebuild that way. We already have 2017 first and second rounders.

Then again, with so much money out there and so many teams under the cap even the value of taking salary off people's hands could be undervalued by an over abundance of supply and little demand.

Underdog · 07-02-2016, 10:23 AM

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That's is not going to happen this year -- there are still about 20 teams that can offer max contracts, everybody still has cap space.

@NBACapAnalyst: Remaining cap room (updated for Deng/Joe Johnson):

Budapest Maverick · 07-02-2016, 10:30 AM

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Boy, I hope so... But Fish doesn't seem to think so, and Cuban is a stubborn sonuvabitch.

You think he would ever do a complete rebuild? He talked about it many times and said he would, but last year's happenings did not make me confident about this. As you guys remember, he said we would have blown it up if Jordan did not sign, then turned it out he will not sign, and Cuban did not rebuild. What really made me mad though, is that he never even brought this up this after, and not one Mavs writer asked him - "what's up with that Mark, you said we would have rebuild if he did not sign". I guess reporters really can't ask anything they want.

Melonhead · 07-02-2016, 10:35 AM

That's a Cuban plan through and through. As a business person he likes to jump on opportunistic situations from other businesses. I recall years ago saying he likes to take advantage of others mistakes. Obviously the salary dumps wouldn't be mistake but it's the same line of thinking.

But the NBA is different and he will never budge.

Underdog · 07-02-2016, 10:41 AM

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You think he would ever do a complete rebuild? He talked about it many times and said he would, but last year's happenings did not make me confident about this. As you guys remember, he said we would have blown it up if Jordan did not sign, then turned it out he will not sign, and Cuban did not rebuild. What really made me mad though, is that he never even brought this up this after, and not one Mavs writer asked him - "what's up with that Mark, you said we would have rebuild if he did not sign". I guess reporters really can't ask anything they want.

Yeah, I mentioned this earlier in one of these threads, but this year would be even easier for Cuban to do a rebuild than last year -- Dirk opted-out, Parsons walked, and we've struck out on all the major free agents. Both our current and "future" stars are off the hook, plus it's not like he couldn't trade Wes. Basically, there's nobody left to let down with a rebuild. But only if he does it now.

hayth.james.g · 07-02-2016, 10:55 AM

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Yeah, I mentioned this earlier in one of these threads, but this year would be even easier for Cuban to do a rebuild than last year -- Dirk opted-out, Parsons walked, and we've struck out on all the major free agents. Both our current and "future" stars are off the hook, plus it's not like he couldn't trade Wes. Basically, there's nobody left to let down with a rebuild. But only if he does it now.

We owe it to Dirk to sit down, show him where we are, and let him make the decision. It''s hardly a small one. If this isn't how this goes down I would be very disappointed as a MFFL.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2016, 10:59 AM

Celtics and Washington are frontrunners for Horford so looks like no Kanter.

Honestly, this new "plan" of the FO is just plain delusional.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2016, 10:59 AM

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jleefilled · 07-02-2016, 11:11 AM

I'm pretty surprised about the rumbles around Mavs fans concerning Dirk chasing rings with another team his last few years. All I want to say is what if he doesn't want to? What if he just wants to play in front of the fans that adore him; hopefully get into the tournament and make a little noise; and raise his family in the dfw. Are we willing to ride with him, or are we going to call him selfish for not allowing the Mavericks to tear it to the ground while he still has his legs under him? I think Mike Rhyner even seemed to imply that Dirk staying with the Mavs is the "easy" way, and that maybe Dirk isn't "built" to want to win championships. Which pissed me off because I think Dirk has demonstrated throughout his career that he's willing to take the hard road to reach his ultimate goal.

To me, it really is whatever he wants, but in my opinion, I think he is more inclined to stay with the team and fans he's been with his whole career. And I love him for that!