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Kidd Karma · 01-20-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick41

Peja can resign with the Whorenets after the 30 day waiting period, but do you think he waits?

Is there a wait period for the Hornets? He's been gone from the Hornets since Day 1.

Rick41 · 01-20-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Is there a wait period for the Hornets? He's been gone from the Hornets since Day 1.

Once he clears waivers he can re sign with the Hornets 30 days after.

EricaLubarsky · 01-20-2011, 04:07 PM

1) He's released today (1/20)
2) for two days (until 1/22) he'll be a leper. Anyone that picks him up will be responsible for his ridiculous salary and only those teams that can fit it into their capspace can do it.
3) From 1/22 on he can sign with any team he wants.

As far as I know there is no limit for him to re-sign in Nawlins. He hasnt been there since November. I could be wrong though.

b_o_r · 01-20-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ReDirkulous Tyme

everything I've seen says that the Mavs FO views Ajinca as a quality trade chip. Apparently, and I say "apparently" because I don't see it, they think he has fairly valuable offensive skills. No way in hell we cut him.

They'll probably trade him for a 2nd rd pick

Rhylan · 01-20-2011, 04:16 PM

The 30 day waiting period starts at the time a player was traded away.. it's been nearly 2 months for Peja so he could jump right back to New Orleans after clearing waivers.

Kidd Karma · 01-20-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhylan

The 30 day waiting period starts at the time a player was traded away.. it's been nearly 2 months for Peja so he could jump right back to New Orleans after clearing waivers.

I think he heads home to his family in NO, enjoys the break, nice a refreshed heads to Dallas to get his ring.

mac222b · 01-20-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dalger

So am I, but I don't think the Mavs won't try to bring in someone else. e.g. Prince. He'd certainly be an improvement and cheap at the same time given that his contract is expiring.

The FO has made a lot of financially sound decisions in the last few years, and going for Prince would be just that kind of a decision.

Prince does make the most sense on this level. He allows us to retain flexibility after this season with the new CBA looming. I could see that be the safe play. And Prince would fit here nicely.

BGMaverick9 · 01-20-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Prince does make the most sense on this level. He allows us to retain flexibility after this season with the new CBA looming. I could see that be the safe play. And Prince would fit here nicely.

With the Denver deal dead...I think you have to work harder to get Prince. I think they'll look to unload Hamilton first.

mac222b · 01-20-2011, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

With the Denver deal dead...I think you have to work harder to get Prince. I think they'll look to unload Hamilton first.

Yeah I think you're right. I'm all for giving a 1st in any deal for a Prince, Wallace, Iggy and maybe Sjax if thats what it takes. And obviously multiple 1sts if the right deal comes along(Melo,Kmart).
I never really believed Prince could be had for an injured Butler expiring, Dojo and a 2nd rounder. Pistons could conceivably make the playoffs.
I also don't see any takers for Rip if the deal to NJ is off. He's just not the player he was a few years ago.

CATCH-17 · 01-20-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Prince does make the most sense on this level. He allows us to retain flexibility after this season with the new CBA looming. I could see that be the safe play. And Prince would fit here nicely.

Yeah.. Love Jackson but there is a chance he could cost us Tyson and it's just not worth the risk.

Tayshaun is a sure thing.

I'd take him or Rip. I love how Halmiton plays without the ball.

dalger · 01-20-2011, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

With the Denver deal dead...I think you have to work harder to get Prince. I think they'll look to unload Hamilton first.

Are you sure? If Detroit had found a way to get rid of Hamilton as part of the Melo-to-NJ deal, they would have saved a ton of money already and thus reduced the need to get rid of Prince as well for financial reasons.

On that note, I've yet to understand why the Pistons would give him away for only an expiring contract. Prince's contract is expiring as well, so one would think that they'd at least want to get some young talent or picks in return. What's the difference between letting Butler's contract expire and doing the same with Prince's contract? The fact that a (large) portion of Caron's contract will be paid by an insurance company due to his injury?

If that was the case, then I think our chances of getting Prince should be better now in light of the Melo deal apparently falling through. I'm sure the Pistons want to trade Hamilton first, but there won't be many teams that are interested in him and allow Detroit to save money.

mavs777 · 01-20-2011, 05:29 PM

Sources say Mavs also close to separate trade w/TOR to send reserve center Alexis Ajinca to Raps for draft itemsf. All explained in story

per stein

j0Shi · 01-20-2011, 05:40 PM

I like it

But doesn't change the need for someone who can penetrate on each and every poss besides Roddy in my eyes (Butler replacement i.e.). Part of the weak production (points) of our C-duo is the fact that everybody is just shooting jump-shots.

fluid.forty.one · 01-20-2011, 05:41 PM

so who had money on Peja?

grndmstr_c · 01-20-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

so who had money on Peja?

I at least dropped the name back in post #186. Do I win anything?

mac222b · 01-20-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dalger

Are you sure? If Detroit had found a way to get rid of Hamilton as part of the Melo-to-NJ deal, they would have saved a ton of money already and thus reduced the need to get rid of Prince as well for financial reasons.

On that note, I've yet to understand why the Pistons would give him away for only an expiring contract. Prince's contract is expiring as well, so one would think that they'd at least want to get some young talent or picks in return. What's the difference between letting Butler's contract expire and doing the same with Prince's contract? The fact that a (large) portion of Caron's contract will be paid by an insurance company due to his injury?

If that was the case, then I think our chances of getting Prince should be better now in light of the Melo deal apparently falling through. I'm sure the Pistons want to trade Hamilton first, but there won't be many teams that are interested in him and allow Detroit to save money.

They wouldn't give him away for just an expiring. Unless we have a young player they fancy or we are willing to take another(Maxiell)bad contract it'll probably cost a future 1st. Which, if no other better deal presents itself, would be well worth it.

dalger · 01-20-2011, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

They wouldn't give him away for just an expiring. Unless we have a young player they fancy or we are willing to take another(Maxiell)bad contract it'll probably cost a future 1st. Which, if no other better deal presents itself, would be well worth it.

Okay, but I'm still not sure how Hamilton affects the Mavs' (or any other team's) chances of landing Prince or makes it even more difficult to get him. Apparently, reducing their payroll is something the Pistons are looking for. If Hamilton was already gone to save them millions of dollars, the aspect of saving money would not be that important when it comes to Prince. Now that Hamilton is still there and they have to pay a lot of money for a player who doesn't even play, one would think that they're looking for alternatives to reduce their payroll. Caron's expiring contract, if indeed covered in large parts by an insurance company, would help them achieve that goal.

See what I mean? With Hamilton still there, I would think it's not just about getting something valuable in return for Prince's expiring contract. Saving at least some money could be more important to them now, and it's something we could provide.

EricaLubarsky · 01-20-2011, 08:16 PM

every great team needs that wily, veteran shooter whether it be Horry, Walt "the Wiz" Williams, or otherwise. Peja could really be that clutch, veteran shooter that does that for us.

Its a solid move for difference maker deep down the bench. As long as we don't depend on him to be a great 1/2 stringer every night, its a great move. Now we just need to take care of our needs in the starting 5 so we can go deep in the playoffs where "capstone" players like Peja can put us over the edge.

rabbitproof · 01-20-2011, 08:19 PM

Posted in the trade board but how about tapping that Toronto vine again?

Barbosa/Kleiza for Butler/Cardinalish?

mavs777 · 01-20-2011, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Posted in the trade board but how about tapping that Toronto vine again?

Barbosa/Kleiza for Butler/Cardinalish?

Eh not interested in either, we basically signed Peja to do what Kleiza would do here so we really would have no use for him, Barbosa is just another small guard

mavs777 · 01-20-2011, 11:05 PM

we need rebounding help asap

sefant77 · 01-20-2011, 11:09 PM

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mavs777 · 01-20-2011, 11:14 PM

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BGMaverick9 · 01-21-2011, 01:46 AM

At this point it's a big if, but if the Nuggets find a taker for Melo and Billups isn't involved...I think you've got to make a push for him using Butler's contract.

Straight up it works, you could add a smaller piece as well. Reports are indicating that Denver would possibly by Billups out at the end of the season.

BGMaverick9 · 01-21-2011, 01:47 AM

double post

grndmstr_c · 01-21-2011, 01:58 AM

I'm only interested in a move involving the PG position if the player in question can actually play the point guard position (rules out Barbosa), and has enough size to play next to JET/Booby. When I try to make a list of potentials I don't get much farther than Hinrich and Devin.

Edit: BG, just saw you mentioned Chancey, and he's one who fits my criteria that I'd overlooked. Granted, he's only 4th on my list of Nuggets I'd like to see on the Mavs, but he'd be another solid addition.

BGMaverick9 · 01-21-2011, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I'm only interested in a move involving the PG position if the player in question can actually play the point guard position (rules out Barbosa), and has enough size to play next to JET/Booby. When I try to make a list of potentials I don't get much farther than Hinrich and Devin.

So what exactly about Billups don't you like then?

grndmstr_c · 01-21-2011, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

So what exactly about Billups don't you like then?

See my edit. I'd have no problem with Billups. Would sort of prefer the Mavs could land somebody who wasn't quite so long in the tooth, but if you're looking for 48+ minutes of relatively fresh-legged veteran savvy from your floor generals, you can't do much better than a Kidd/Billups duo.

BGMaverick9 · 01-21-2011, 02:31 AM

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See my edit. I'd have no problem with Billups. Would sort of prefer the Mavs could land somebody who wasn't quite so long in the tooth, but if you're looking for 48+ minutes of relatively fresh-legged veteran savvy from your floor generals, you can't do much better than a Kidd/Billups duo.

Gotcha. Again, I think they would be waiting for the Melo situation to clear up and somehow Billups has to omitted from a Melo package.

It is unfortunate that it might lead you to get even older, but you're going to get dramatically better at the point guard position. It's going to be a night and day situation between Barea and Billups.

With the SF position getting a little stronger (I know Peja and Sasha aren't the answers by any stretch, but it's better than just Marion and Stevenson), I think you might shift gears slightly and see what you can do to improve the point guard position.

Beno Udrih is pricey, but he's an intriguing name as well.

mac222b · 01-21-2011, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

At this point it's a big if, but if the Nuggets find a taker for Melo and Billups isn't involved...I think you've got to make a push for him using Butler's contract.

Straight up it works, you could add a smaller piece as well. Reports are indicating that Denver would possibly by Billups out at the end of the season.

I would love to see Billups here. Butler/DeShawn/JJ for Billups/Harrington works.
Butler for Billups would work, but would they do it? Saves them from shelling out millions for a buyout i suppose and maybe we add a piece to sweeten the pot like a 2nd rd.pick and 3million.

If you wanted to get REaLLY funky Billups/Nene for Caron/Stevenson/DOJO/Roddy/Mahinmi/Cardianl/works!
or: if they would be willing to take back HayWood we take back Balkman for a TE.
Or the ideal trade: Roddy stays in Dallas, we take back Balkman and add 2 1st round picks(this would be a steal and highly unlikely to happen, i know

Ty/Dirk/Nene is the best front line in the league. Nene provides post game! Marion/Peja/Pavlovic/Balkman see all the minutes at 3. Billups/Kidd/Jet man the 1 and 2.

mac222b · 01-21-2011, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Gotcha. Again, I think they would be waiting for the Melo situation to clear up and somehow Billups has to omitted from a Melo package.

It is unfortunate that it might lead you to get even older, but you're going to get dramatically better at the point guard position. It's going to be a night and day situation between Barea and Billups.

With the SF position getting a little stronger (I know Peja and Sasha aren't the answers by any stretch, but it's better than just Marion and Stevenson), I think you might shift gears slightly and see what you can do to improve the point guard position.

Beno Udrih is pricey, but he's an intriguing name as well.

Udrih would be good. He can space the floor. I'd think we'd have to get Casspi back in that deal though. Udrih's only got 2yrs. left, i think, but it's 6.5 per. pricey for a back-up though he would see 20-25 minutes per. You could even rest Kidd for entire games occasionally with a real back-up Point!

mac222b · 01-21-2011, 02:50 AM

Btw people post crazy ideas on here all the time and i know Billups/Nene is a pipe dream. but it's the closest I've come to thinking Roddy should be included in a deal. Kevin Martin would make me think twice too. Chauncey and Nene are both REALLY good players. If expirings/young talent(Roddy/IanDojo)/1sts gets it done do it!

GermanDunk · 01-21-2011, 03:03 AM

I wouldn´t trade B-Rod, because in team-sports you need some continuity. All that trading stuff brings personnel for a season or two and that´s it. No idntification with the club.

rabbitproof · 01-21-2011, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I'm only interested in a move involving the PG position if the player in question can actually play the point guard position (rules out Barbosa), and has enough size to play next to JET/Booby. When I try to make a list of potentials I don't get much farther than Hinrich and Devin.

Edit: BG, just saw you mentioned Chancey, and he's one who fits my criteria that I'd overlooked. Granted, he's only 4th on my list of Nuggets I'd like to see on the Mavs, but he'd be another solid addition.

What about Devin or Chauncey make them bigger than Barbosa? They are the same height (6-3) and similar weight (200ish).

Hinrich is an inch taller but lighter.

dalger · 01-21-2011, 08:49 AM

Right now, I think we need scoring more than playmaking. A better point guard than JJB would be fantastic, even though I believe that it's not a lack of open looks that's been killing us for weeks now; it's a lack of quality offensive players who are able to actually score a basket. Last night against the Bulls, we surrounded Dirk by Chandler, Pavlovic, Stevenson and Kidd--four non-scorers all averaging single-digit scoring numbers.

Peja isn't going to be the solution to this problem and allow the Mavs to look for backup power forwards or point guards now that we've strengthened the small forward position. Caron's 15 PPG and his drawing attention from defenders to make life easier for guys like Stevenson, Chandler and Kidd are badly missing.

TNT · 01-21-2011, 09:05 AM

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Right now, I think we need scoring more than playmaking. A better point guard than JJB would be fantastic, even though I believe that it's not a lack of open looks that's been killing us for weeks now; it's a lack of quality offensive players who are able to actually score a basket. Last night against the Bulls, we surrounded Dirk by Chandler, Pavlovic, Stevenson and Kidd--four non-scorers all averaging single-digit scoring numbers.

Peja isn't going to be the solution to this problem and allow the Mavs to look for backup power forwards or point guards now that we've strengthened the small forward position. Caron's 15 PPG and his drawing attention from defenders to make life easier for guys like Stevenson, Chandler and Kidd are badly missing.

And he made Nowitzki's life easier as well. Have to agree with your ideas. We need a guy who can score and make other guys better on the court. Like Butler did. God, how i miss him and our winning streaks.

grndmstr_c · 01-21-2011, 10:50 AM

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What about Devin or Chauncey make them bigger than Barbosa? They are the same height (6-3) and similar weight (200ish).

Hinrich is an inch taller but lighter.

Barbosa's problem isn't size. It's that he's a SG.

dude1394 · 01-21-2011, 11:24 AM

Caron really had a nice mix of toughness and offensive abilities...Looks like boytoy jackzen is going to turn out right on this one.

rabbitproof · 01-21-2011, 12:09 PM

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Barbosa's problem isn't size. It's that he's a SG.

He isn't a traditional point but he's played point. In fact, more so than he's played SG through the years per 82games. Anyways, I don't know if Dallas is looking for a full-time point style player like a Billups who probably needs to 30+ MPG at the 1. You're basically trying to replace JJB and then milk a few more minutes out to rest Kidd (totaling 18 minutes a game?). Barbosa also adds scoring and more importantly inside penetration (38% inside shots) to our backcourt.

I think a reason I am trumping him is because of his contract (expires this year @7M). Stein has indicated the Mavs are pretty adamant about not taking on more money unless it's a slam dunk.

sefant77 · 01-21-2011, 12:16 PM

Im kind of worried we will stay with Sasha+Peja, specially after that Butler quote about being back for the 2nd round...

Some players the Mavs probably dont like (RIP), others are not available or the price tag is too high or they have such a contract where it would be hard to bring Caron back with the MLE (playing time and payroll issues - Iggy/Wallace/Jax).