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jthig32 · 12-07-2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Thats not the point. The point for the players are that the Mavs couldnt sign them next summer (after the one year contract) to a long contract because they would renounce their rights for the max cap slop.

So they prefer to look now for a team willing to blow multiyear MLE or free cap at them...

I'm not sure what your point is. If the Mavs sign someone as a free agent this off season, they can't sign them to a long contract using Bird rights next off season regardless of whether they renounce their rights or not. They won't have Bird rights for them.

jthig32 · 12-07-2011, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

I really wonder what "backchannel" informations the Mavs have about Deron. I just doubt they would take this huge gamble without knowing they have a really really good shot (pretty much the shot: "If Dwight doesnt join me in Brooklyn, yeah i think i would come to Dallas")...

This is definitely possible. They have a very good relationship with his agent.

OSUmavsfan · 12-07-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I'm not sure what your point is. If the Mavs sign someone as a free agent this off season, they can't sign them to a long contract using Bird rights next off season regardless of whether they renounce their rights or not. They won't have Bird rights for them.

I think what he's saying is that we wouldn't be able to sign Barea and Chandler to long term contracts next summer even if they did take the one-year deals because we'd have to renounce their rights to sign Deron Williams.

jthig32 · 12-07-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OSUmavsfan

I think what he's saying is that we wouldn't be able to sign Barea and Chandler to long term contracts next summer even if they did take the one-year deals because we'd have to renounce their rights to sign Deron Williams.

Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I missed that he was talking about our own current free agents. My apologies, Sefant.

sefant77 · 12-07-2011, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OSUmavsfan

I think what he's saying is that we wouldn't be able to sign Barea and Chandler to long term contracts next summer even if they did take the one-year deals because we'd have to renounce their rights to sign Deron Williams.

This.

I understand them. Barea is basically asked to take a financial gamble to keep the seat warm for Deron. "If he dont sign we give you a longer contract, if you stay your rights are gone anyway and actually we dont need you then anyway"

Butler will be another year older. Chandler is maybe not healthy anymore...

Underdog · 12-07-2011, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

This is definitely possible. They have a very good relationship with his agent.

Yep, Jeff Schwartz is also Jason Kidd's and Tyson Chandler's agent - I'd say our relationship with him is more than solid...

41mvp · 12-07-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

You can soon add Stevenson to that list.

I do not know what Nelson and Cuban doing.

I don't like it

Underdog · 12-07-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 41mvp

I do not know what Nelson and Cuban doing.

I don't like it

Never trust a winner?

41mvp · 12-07-2011, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Never trust a winner?

We are losing our best people.

I am confuse right now

dude1394 · 12-07-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Never trust a winner?

Dirk, Jet, Jkiddo, Shawn, Tyson, JJB, Peja, Stevenson, Cardinal, Mahinmi, Brewer, Haywood...--- WINNERS..

Who ya' gonna trust.

DirkFTW · 12-07-2011, 01:12 PM

What about a $22 mil, 1 year deal for Chandler telling him the obvious--that we are trying to add Deron Williams the next off-season and we need the flexibility to add both of them without blowing the cap and ruining the ability to reasonably fill out the roster. Basically a payment to stay and delay considering a longer-term contract one more year.

Heck, you could roll out the numbers too saying that if we land Deron, we'd like to have you on a longer term (eg, 4yr) contract starting the following year at $10-12 mil. So over the course of a 5 year span, you'll average out at like $14-15 mil a year if everything goes according to plan.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 12-07-2011, 01:20 PM

^^ From his perspective, what if he suffers a career ending injury this season. Instead of having a guarenteed contract for 4 seasons for say, $15 mil a year he'd only get that $22 and that's all the money he could make.

That's why nobody likes 1 year contracts. That seems to be all the MBT are offering, including JJB Caron etc... so they'll find multi year contracts elsewhere.

Kidd Karma · 12-07-2011, 01:24 PM

right now, we're looking at
Marion 18 MPG, Brewer 30
Dirk 34, Marion 14
Wood 30, Ian 18
Kidd 30, Jet 10, Roddy10
Rudy 24, Jet 24

That's what we're looking at right now. Foster, improves the center position, there will be quality vets out there to rent on 1 year deals. Cardinal will be back. I think we'll be fine, we should get to the playoffs and even towards the trade deadline we can add a piece or 2 for the playoffs. Trust in Cubes and Nelson.

DirkFTW · 12-07-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

^^ From his perspective, what if he suffers a career ending injury this season. Instead of having a guarenteed contract for 4 seasons for say, $15 mil a year he'd only get that $22 and that's all the money he could make.

That's why nobody likes 1 year contracts. That seems to be all the MBT are offering, including JJB Caron etc... so they'll find multi year contracts elsewhere.

It's a shortened season, meaning fewer opportunities to seriously hurt himself.

Sigh... can we buy him expensive leg and foot insurance for the next season?

Kidd Karma · 12-07-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

What about a $22 mil, 1 year deal for Chandler telling him the obvious--that we are trying to add Deron Williams the next off-season and we need the flexibility to add both of them without blowing the cap and ruining the ability to reasonably fill out the roster. Basically a payment to stay and delay considering a longer-term contract one more year.

Heck, you could roll out the numbers too saying that if we land Deron, we'd like to have you on a longer term (eg, 4yr) contract starting the following year at $10-12 mil. So over the course of a 5 year span, you'll average out at like $14-15 mil a year if everything goes according to plan.

Not possible under the CBA. Next summer, when Tyson's a FA, he will count against the cap as a cap hold, until renounced, if renounced you can't sign the player.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-07-2011, 01:39 PM

Stein's last line in his latest Chandler article caught my eye...

"Chandler's deal from whoever wins the race to sign him will be at least $50 million over four years."

That is 12.5 million a year....far from the 15-20 we've been hearing.

spreedom · 12-07-2011, 01:48 PM

Per Woj:

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@WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The Spurs have decided to use the amnesty clause on contract of Richard Jefferson, league sources tell Y! Sports. He has 3 years, $30M left.

https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/s...85278608920576

I'm assuming that means Butler is a done deal for them... if that's the case, would anyone be interested in adding RJ with a 2yr/$8M deal, or thereabouts?

Looking at his numbers, he wasn't as terrible as it seems. 11/3.8/1.3 on 47/44/76 shooting.

OSUmavsfan · 12-07-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

Per Woj:

https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/s...85278608920576

I'm assuming that means Butler is a done deal for them... if that's the case, would anyone be interested in adding RJ with a 2yr/$8M deal, or thereabouts?

Looking at his numbers, he wasn't as terrible as it seems. 11/3.8/1.3 on 47/44/76 shooting.

I doubt Jefferson makes it past the bidding process of under the cap teams. The Clippers and Nets are looking at Caron for more than the MLE (according to Broussard), so it makes sense that they would place at least a small bid to get a similar player in Jefferson for much less. Also, I wouldn't give Jefferson 2 years. Maybe 1 year at the vet minimum, but I'd probably rather just let Brewer play.

DirkFTW · 12-07-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Not possible under the CBA. Next summer, when Tyson's a FA, he will count against the cap as a cap hold, until renounced, if renounced you can't sign the player.

Poo. Well, I'm out of ideas.

Kidd Karma · 12-07-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I'm not sure what your point is. If the Mavs sign someone as a free agent this off season, they can't sign them to a long contract using Bird rights next off season regardless of whether they renounce their rights or not. They won't have Bird rights for them.

Mavs are out to hire mercenaries this season. It's like being an Oakland A's fan. RC said it best, he feels great that he has 10 under contract already.

Kidd Karma · 12-07-2011, 02:52 PM

How about Nachbar on a 1 year deal as the 3rd forward. Good shooter, gets up and down the floor, but no defense. 6-9, can probably play both spots. Played with Kidd and from the sounds of things, looking for PT over cash.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3613

rabbitproof · 12-07-2011, 03:06 PM

I'm still confused why the Mavs don't amnesty or trade Haywood (they could be researching trades but no solid reports) and resign Chandler. Is that 4-5 million in difference not worth it or prohibitive to the 2012 game plan?

sefant77 · 12-07-2011, 03:11 PM

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Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Caron Butler's choices: SA or CHI for the $5 million midlevel exception, or NJ or LA Clippers for about $7 mill/year...

Well, just half of the informations because nothing about the length of the offers but yeah, thats too much to blow for Butler when you have Marion and Brewer.

Spurs will use the AR to kick out RJ.

jthig32 · 12-07-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I'm still confused why the Mavs don't amnesty or trade Haywood (they could be researching trades but no solid reports) and resign Chandler. Is that 4-5 million in difference not worth it or prohibitive to the 2012 game plan?

It is prohibitive to the 2012 game plan, yes.

LonghornDub · 12-07-2011, 03:27 PM

Were the Mavs to somehow end up with RJeff, I'd take a screwdriver to my temple.

sefant77 · 12-07-2011, 03:30 PM

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From Jeff McDonald of the SA Express-News:

Not long before word of Jefferson’s impending release broke, free agent Caron Butler wrapped up a visit in San Antonio his agent, Raymond Brothers, said “went flawlessly.”

“He felt comfortable here,” Brothers said. “I’m waiting for (the Spurs) to call and discuss it. All I can tell you is, he really liked it.”

Though Butler has already visited the Los Angeles Clippers and still plans to visit the New Jersey Nets — two teams that can offer more than the $5 million mid-level exception that will be available to the Spurs after Jefferson is waived — one league source said the Spurs are now considered the front-runner to land him.

Butler has also met with representatives from Chicago, which can also offer only the $5 million mid-level exception.

The Spurs are also considering Washington small forward Josh Howard, who visited Tuesday, among other candidates to fill their small-forward void.

One factor that might entice Butler to San Antonio, his agent said, was the chance to play for coach Gregg Popovich. Asked if he believed the Spurs had a strong chance of signing Butler, Brothers said, “Absolutely.”

“He’s not wasting his time,” Brothers said “He’s wasn’t in San Antonio today to be nice.”

Well...Spurs = F off Butler

xrobx · 12-07-2011, 03:38 PM

Let them have our sloppy seconds

OSUmavsfan · 12-07-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I'm still confused why the Mavs don't amnesty or trade Haywood (they could be researching trades but no solid reports) and resign Chandler. Is that 4-5 million in difference not worth it or prohibitive to the 2012 game plan?

Yeah they'd probably need to amnesty Haywood AND keep Tyson off the books next summer to have a shot at a max player.

OSUmavsfan · 12-07-2011, 04:18 PM

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KBergCBS Ken Berger
In addition to Pacers, who've spoken with David West's reps, several non-room teams have inquired about FA forward: DAL, Spurs, MIA, ATL.

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KBergCBS Ken Berger
Hornets willing to let West go in sign/trade if it will get him to contender and bring back an asset or two, sources say.

I don't really like West and I don't think he can play center, so he'd be stuck behind Dirk. I'm Not sure I understand the interest.

jthig32 · 12-07-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OSUmavsfan

I don't really like West and I don't think he can play center, so he'd be stuck behind Dirk. I'm Not sure I understand the interest.

Probably isn't any.

rabbitproof · 12-07-2011, 04:26 PM

If we shed Haywood and add Chandler at say 15M, won't we only be at ~50M?

20M of cap space, no? Still not enough?

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/dallas.htm

CadBane · 12-07-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Stein's last line in his latest Chandler article caught my eye...

"Chandler's deal from whoever wins the race to sign him will be at least $50 million over four years."

That is 12.5 million a year....far from the 15-20 we've been hearing.

But...but...MavsRings Bozo called me an idiot for daring to say there is no way Tyson will get the max. In fact, I believe his exact words were "I'll trust Stein's word overs yours." Hmm...

OSUmavsfan · 12-07-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

If we shed Haywood and add Chandler at say 15M, won't we only be at ~50M?

20M of cap space, no? Still not enough?

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/dallas.htm

The salary cap is about $59 million. You're thinking of the luxury tax, which is about $70 million.

rabbitproof · 12-07-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OSUmavsfan

The salary cap is about $59 million. You're thinking of the luxury tax, which is about $70 million.

Damn.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-07-2011, 04:38 PM

Chris Paul Update...

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ESPN.com reported Monday that in addition to the Warriors and Clippers -- New Orleans' preferred trade partners -- at least three teams have told the Hornets that they're willing to trade for Paul without any assurance that he'll extend his contract or re-sign next summer. They are the Celtics, Rockets and Dallas Mavericks, with Boston widely considered to be the strongest bidder in that group despite what sources describe as the Hornets' lukewarm interest to date in the primary players offered by the Celtics: All-Star guard Rajon Rondo and forward Jeff Green.

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Sources confirmed a Yahoo! Sports report from earlier Tuesday that Paul has let it be known that signing free-agent center Tyson Chandler would increase his chances of re-signing with any team that trades for him.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/73...ris-paul-trade

Dirkenstien · 12-07-2011, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

If we shed Haywood and add Chandler at say 15M, won't we only be at ~50M?

20M of cap space, no? Still not enough?

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/dallas.htm

With a projected cap of $60m, that would only give us about $8.7m in cap space and that's if we choose to let Fernandez walk.

If you want to retain Chandler at that price and maintain any hope of landing a max player you'd have to amnesty one of Haywood or Marion and trade the other along with some combination of Brewer,Roddy, and Dojo for an expiring while also letting Fernandez walk.

Kidd Karma · 12-07-2011, 05:01 PM

The top team for NO, was GSW, but it's rumored that GSW don't want to part with Curry, talks cooling with GSW.

mavs777 · 12-07-2011, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

But...but...MavsRings Bozo called me an idiot for daring to say there is no way Tyson will get the max. In fact, I believe his exact words were "I'll trust Stein's word overs yours." Hmm...

at least smart one.

mavs777 · 12-07-2011, 05:07 PM

We just don't have pieces to trade for paul

Kidd Karma · 12-07-2011, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OSUmavsfan

I don't really like West and I don't think he can play center, so he'd be stuck behind Dirk. I'm Not sure I understand the interest.

Well looks like Cuban and Nelson are trying to go after players that want to prove something, banking on the league not giving them more than 1 year show they're ready for NBA competition. Mercenaries, 1 year deals. West is coming off the ACL.