This Season's Roster Outlook

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Directly contradicts Sam Ammick. Hmm

It came a few minutes after Ammick's post, so maybe more information came out? Hard to tell what's smoke and what's fire with agents being the in-point for a lot of these "sources".

[EricaLubarsky]

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/616464733772873728

Just a couple of min ago and Ammick still thinks Kings are sweeping in

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/616464733772873728

Just a couple of min ago and Ammick still thinks Kings are sweeping in

Then I'll take comfort in Matt Moore's words instead...

@HPbasketball: I see absolutely no way Matthews goes to the Kings with their general disaster mode

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/616464733772873728

Just a couple of min ago and Ammick still thinks Kings are sweeping in

Aren't they spent on Gay's contract?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I do believe that Matthews is up to 15 now. Probably rather easily with this market.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I do believe that Matthews is up to 15 now. Probably rather easily with this market.

Give him the contract if Jordan agrees. Then go for Lin at PG. Not a bad guard combo to start with.

[FreshJive]

If Matthews is gone, who can the Mavs point to as a potential teammate to sway Jordan? The crazy amount of activity today benefits the Clippers.

[Thebo]

Originally Posted by yahyes

Aren't they spent on Gay's contract?

They were well under cap even before the trade. Gay's contract isn't looking half bad when cap rises, he's earning less than Parsons.

Kings are probably dooming themselves with this trade. Will have to wait and see what picks they actually gave away to dump 12 mil on Landry/Thompson. Lets be honest, Kings are likely bad next year whatever they'll do.

I hope Monta is their A go-to guy but they've driven Matthews' price up to 15. Suns influenced this price also giving 14 mil per year to Knight.

Just... it would be so cool to see Rondo-Ellis-Gay-DMC in Kings lineup next season. That would be sooo entertaining. Anyone knows some knucklehead Power Forwards to offer them and make it even more fun?

[Underdog]

@JusAnderson1: We gonna be alright. Don't worry.


Ahh, the optimism of youth... Or does he know something we don't?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@JusAnderson1: We gonna be alright. Don't worry.


Ahh, the optimism of youth... Or does he know something we don't?

At least the guy who has no choice but to be here is optimistic.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by Thebo

They were well under cap even before the trade. Gay's contract isn't looking half bad when cap rises, he's earning less than Parsons.

Kings are probably dooming themselves with this trade. Will have to wait and see what picks they actually gave away to dump 12 mil on Landry/Thompson. Lets be honest, Kings are likely bad next year whatever they'll do.

I hope Monta is their A go-to guy but they've driven Matthews' price up to 15. Suns influenced this price also giving 14 mil per year to Knight.

Just... it would be so cool to see Rondo-Ellis-Gay-DMC in Kings lineup next season. That would be sooo entertaining. Anyone knows some knucklehead Power Forwards to offer them and make it even more fun?

Divac is trying to get cute. Watch Phil Jackson get Rondo and Ellis...

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by yahyes

Divac is trying to get cute. Watch Phil Jackson get Rondo and Ellis...

@CardboardGerald: Couldn't help but think about this passage from Woj when I read about the Kings trade http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources...195614697.html

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@JusAnderson1: We gonna be alright. Don't worry.


Ahh, the optimism of youth... Or does he know something we don't?

He knows his Achilles is fully intact and his J is wet.

[Cerberus]

If we don't get Matthews then I wouldn't mind getting Afflalo.

[EricaLubarsky]

Tomorrow by noon we should know where we stand

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Tomorrow by noon we should know where we stand

With who, Matthews? Pretty sure Jordan doesn't meet with the Clips until later in the day.

Has Aldridge met with everybody yet? Haven't heard much from his camp since the Mavs meeting earlier today...

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Tomorrow by noon we should know where we stand

Doubtful. Jordan will not have even met with the Clippers yet.

[EricaLubarsky]

Matthews meeting with Kings tomorrow morning

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

Exactly and I have had no problem with that strategy. However, I think it has run its course and now it's time to take a different approach.

Why would you not have a problem with that strategy? Throwing a decade of drafts is never a good strategy. Dirk covered it up because he was so good. And now they have nothing to fall back on. I know it's a cop out to use them but the spurs always drafted even when they were on top of the world. You always have to building from the inside.

[scorched03]

having an all time great does not mean can repeatedly do trades and give away picks.... eventually need a youth injection and/or assets to trade or just keep cuz a young player is way cheaper than any free agent.

here's the mavs draft history
2004: 2.50 Vassilis Spanoulis
2005: none
2006: 1.28 Maurice Ager, 2.58 J. R. Pinnock
2007: 2.34 Nick Fazekas, 2.50 Renaldas Seibutis, 2.60 Milovan Raković
2008: 2.51 Shan Foster
2009: 1.24 Byron Mullens, 2.56 Ahmad Nivins
2010: 2.50 Solomon Alabi
2011: 1.26 Jordan Hamilton, 2.57 Tanguy Ngombo
2012: 1.17 Tyler Zeller, 2.55 Darius Johnson-Odom
2013: 1.13 Kelly Olynyk, 2.44 Mike Muscala
2014: None
2015: 1.21 Justin Anderson, 2.52 Satnam Singh Bhamara
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impact on the roster from the draft picks
2004: had 1.24 but trade 1.24 with Raef LaFrentz, Jiri Welsch, and Chris Mills to the Celtics for Antoine Walker and Tony Delk
2004 draft had: 1.24 Delonte West 1.25 Tony Allen 1.26 Kevin Martin 1.27 Sasa Vuijec 1.28 Beno Udrih

2005: had 1.27 trade for Pavel Podkolzine, traded 2.57 with Dan Dickau for Darrell Armstrong
2005 draft had: 1.27 Linas Kleiza, 1.28 Ian Mahinmi, 1.29 Wayne Simien, 1.30 David Lee
2.57 Marcin Gortat

2006: drafted Maurice Ager, who played for 2 seasons with mavs. 2nd round pick traded. No one of note within 5 picks of those picks would have been a rotation player

2007: 1.30 traded: Golden State acquired two future first-round draft picks, Eduardo Nájera, Christian Laettner, the draft rights to Luis Flores and Mladen Šekularac and cash considerations on August 24, 2004 from Dallas in exchange for Erick Dampier, Evan Eschmeyer, Dan Dickau and the draft rights to Steve Logan.
2007 draft 1.30 Petteri Koponen 2.31 Carl Landry, 2.35 Glen Davis.... 2.48 Marc Gasol

2008: 1.21 traded: New Jersey acquired 2008 and 2010 first-round draft picks, Devin Harris, Trenton Hassell, Maurice Ager, DeSagana Diop, and Keith Van Horn from Dallas in exchange for Jason Kidd, Antoine Wright and Malik Allen
2nd pick Foster did not play for Mavs
2008 Draft: 1.21 Ryan Anderson, 1.22 Courtney Lee, 1.23 Kosta Koufos, 1.24 Serge Ibaka, 1.25 Nicolas Batum

2009: swapped 1.24 with OKC to net 1.25 Rodrigue Beaubois and a 2010 2nd. Nivins never played for Mavs.
Actual Draft: 1.26 Taj Gibson 1.27 DeMarre Carroll, 1.28 Wayne Ellington

2010: 1.27 lost due to Kidd trade in 2008. Alabi did not play for Mavs. However bought 1.25 Dominique Jones
Draft: 1.25 Dominique Jones, 1.26 Quincy Pondexter, 1.27 Jordan Crawford, 1.28 Greivis Vásquez

2011: 1.26 26th pick Jordan Hamilton from the Dallas Mavericks, Andre Miller and a future second-round draft pick from the Portland Trail Blazers, the Mavericks acquired Rudy Fernández and the draft rights to Petteri Koponen, the 30th pick in 2007, from the Blazers, and the Blazers acquired Raymond Felton from the Nuggets and the draft rights to 57th pick Tanguy Ngombo from the Mavericks. 2nd pick never played for Mavs
Draft: 1.28 Norris Cole, 1.29 Cory Joseph, 1.30 Jimmy Butler

2012: 1.17 Cleveland Cavaliers acquired Kelenna Azubuike and the draft rights to 17th pick Tyler Zeller from the Dallas Mavericks in exchange for the draft rights to 24th pick Jared Cunningham, 33rd pick Bernard James and 34th pick Jae Crowder.[8]
2nd pick: The Los Angeles Lakers acquired the draft rights to 55th pick Darius Johnson-Odom from the Dallas Mavericks in exchange for cash considerations
Draft: 1.18 Terrence Jones, 1.19 Andrew Nicholson, 1.20 Evan Fournier, 1.21 Jared Sullinger

2013: 1.13 traded back twice to net 1.18 Shane Larkin and 2 2014 second rounders
Draft: 1.14 Shabazz Muhammad, 1.15 Giannis Antetokounmpo, 1.17 Dennis Schröder

2014: 1.21 lost due to Dallas acquired Lamar Odom and a 2012 second-round pick. 2.34 and 2.51 New York acquired José Calderón, Wayne Ellington, Shane Larkin, Samuel Dalembert, the 34th and the 51st pick in the 2014 draft Dallas acquired Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton
Draft 1.21 Mitch McGary

2016.... lost first maybe due to rondo trade
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Lessons Learned
- stop drafting midgets. at worst, draft the normal sized player and dont get cute i.e. Larkin over Giannis and Schroder
- some trades work, the finals win never would have worked without Kidd
- trading firsts is a crapshoot for moody vets i.e. Rondo and Odom
- draft is a crapshoot, not having picks or selling off picks repeatedly means can't play the lotto and win big like a Marc Gasol in 2nd or even the coveted Deandre Jordan was a 2nd pick.
-Cuban does try to buying into the late first occasionally, he should consider doing that some more

-if the mavs never traded their firsts since 2004, they would have had draft rights to these players picked at that spot
2004: Delonte West
2005: Linas Kleiza, Marcin Gortat
2006: Maurice Ager
2007: Petteri Koponen
2008: Ryan Anderson
2009: BJ Mullens
2010: Jordan Crawford
2011: Jordan Hamilton
2012: Tyler Zeller
2013: Kelly Olynyk
2014: Mitch McGary
now compare this list to the above list, going to say whomever ends up with the Dallas pick ends up picking solid rotation players except for maybe Ager and Hamilton.

[Underdog]

@WojYahooNBA: Yahoo Sources; Sacramento Kings free agent Derrick Williams meets with the Knicks and Mavericks on Thursday in Los Angeles.

[Thukydides]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@WojYahooNBA: Yahoo Sources; Sacramento Kings free agent Derrick Williams meets with the Knicks and Mavericks on Thursday in Los Angeles.

Does anyone know, what he´s good at? Does this make sense? What role would he have?

Might be another veteran, who RC improves?

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by scorched03

-if the mavs never traded their firsts since 2004, they would have had draft rights to these players picked at that spot
2004: Delonte West
2005: Linas Kleiza, Marcin Gortat
2006: Maurice Ager
2007: Petteri Koponen
2008: Ryan Anderson
2009: BJ Mullens
2010: Jordan Crawford
2011: Jordan Hamilton
2012: Tyler Zeller
2013: Kelly Olynyk
2014: Mitch McGary
now compare this list to the above list, going to say whomever ends up with the Dallas pick ends up picking solid rotation players except for maybe Ager and Hamilton.

Mavs certainly could have done better but if we picked the above we also wouldn't have traded for the number 5 pick and selected Devin Harris then who turned into Kidd. And Wouldn't have traded for Dampier who turned into TC. The rabbit hole that is "what if" is a pretty deep hole. Let's say mavs don't make trades and have guys like Delonte West, Klieza, Gortat heading into 2005-2006 season. Gortat is a rookie and a 2nd round pick at that... he's not starting. We don't have Damp or Harris. How are we making the finals. If we don't make the finals is Dirk convinced we are doing everything we can for him with guys like Nash and Finley gone? You know back when even the local media liked calling the guy soft and questioning if we would win with him? Why not bolt if he felt we never would add pieces because whose to say we would have been able to if we never traded draft picks.

Every contending team does stuff like what the Mavs have done, it's just normally the window opens and closes so it's not as prolonged as the Mavs have had(which is a good thing). This was from this weeks draft and what Cleveland did-

Cleveland selected Duke point guard Tyus Jones with the 24th overall pick, only to trade him to Minnesota for three second-round picks -- including two in this year's draft. The Cavs used those picks – 31 and 36 – on 6-8 forward Cedi Osman of Turkey and 6-10 forward Rakeem Christmas of Syracuse. They chose 6-6 wing Sir'Dominic Pointer from St. John's with the 53rd pick.

You could go through the characteristics each player would bring to the Cavs; Griffin certainly did, when he said Osman would be better in two years than anyone they could've drafted at No. 24. But the bottom line was the Cavs needed "assets," not young, college players to keep that window open.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....avalie_56.html

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Thukydides

Does anyone know, what he´s good at? Does this make sense? What role would he have?

Might be another veteran, who RC improves?

He can get hot and score. That's about it. A former high draft pick that lacks a motor. Less talented than Beasley, but without the personal problems.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by Thukydides

Might be another veteran, who RC improves?

Sure sounds like another former lotto for RC to get the most out of. Tweener SF/PF... which we just lost Aminu so... makes sense... I'm not a fan of his but I can't argue with what RC has done with others in his situation(Busts).

[Budapest Maverick]

Williams is a tweener, but the bad version, the one who is too small for being a PF, and not nearly skilled enough to be a good SF. Do we have our pick next year? Seems like a more and more relevant question, but of course I'm still optimistic and hoping we can nab Jordan and Matthews. That would be a very solid "big 4" situation and certainly a team superior compared to last year's squad.

[Thebo]

Looks like Knicks stole Afflalo for pennies compared to Green and Matthews. This is becoming quite quickly Jordan & Matthews or bust.

[Twenty4sevenn]

If Mathews chooses to join the disaster in Sacramento, we're in far worse shape than I thought. I don't understand why he would even consider them over us.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Why would you not have a problem with that strategy? Throwing a decade of drafts is never a good strategy. Dirk covered it up because he was so good. And now they have nothing to fall back on. I know it's a cop out to use them but the spurs always drafted even when they were on top of the world. You always have to building from the inside.

How many Spurs draftees are still on the roster from the last 13 drafts?
That team had the luxury of building around Duncan, Ginobli and Parker for over a dozen years. Mavs only had one player to build around and they did a pretty damn good job of doing that.

The problem is they held on to that strategy too long but I certainly didn't have a problem with a strategy that eventually got us one championship and nearly another during Dirk's prime years.

A dozen or so 50+ win seasons, 2 championship appearances and one title??? Heck yeah, I'd be more than happy if we could repeat that over the next 15 years. Not gonna dwell on missing out on some diamonds in the rough in the 18-28 draft pick range.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Thebo

Looks like Knicks stole Afflalo for pennies compared to Green and Matthews. This is becoming quite quickly Jordan & Matthews or bust.

Had a terrible season

[Underdog]

@KBergCBS: Arron Afflalo has agreed to a free-agent deal with the Knicks, league source tells @CBSSports.

@KBergCBS: Afflalo's deal is two years for $16 million, with the second year being a player option.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Twenty4sevenn

If Mathews chooses to join the disaster in Sacramento, we're in far worse shape than I thought. I don't understand why he would even consider them over us.

I think it really all hinges on DJ.
If we sign him FAs will see we will be a PO contender. If we don't sign DJ I think most FAs will see us as a lottery team.

I don't see where there is a lot of appeal for the Mavs right now.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Thukydides

Does anyone know, what he´s good at? Does this make sense? What role would he have?

Might be another veteran, who RC improves?

He has zero BBIQ. Not good enough ball handler to beat bigger guys off dribble. Not skilled enough to punish smaller guys in post. Good athletically, potentially good shooter as stretch Four. This years Aminu?

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by Twenty4sevenn

If Mathews chooses to join the disaster in Sacramento, we're in far worse shape than I thought. I don't understand why he would even consider them over us.

$

There is an article floating around that states the Kings understand they have to pay MORE for guys because they are the Kings

If Mathews actually wants $15M (or more) then the Kings might be the only route to him

[Underdog]

@espn_macmahon: Jae Crowder is first Mavs pick -- guy selected for Mavs on draft night -- to get a long-term deal after rookie contract since Devin Harris.

[Dnowit41]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@espn_macmahon: Jae Crowder is first Mavs pick -- guy selected for Mavs on draft night -- to get a long-term deal after rookie contract since Devin Harris.

That's a lot of whiffs...

[GermanStandard]

Here is a summary of what happened so far

- Amir Johnson to Boston 2 years 24 Mio Dollar
- Jonas Jerebko stays in Boston, 2 years 10 Mio Dollar
- DeMarre Carroll to Toronto 4 years, 60 Mio Dollar
- Tyson Chandler to the Suns 4 years 52 Mio Dollar

- Kevin Love stays with the Cavs for 5 years 110 Mio Dollar
- Jimmy Butler stays with the Bulls, 5 years 95 Mio Dollar
- Goran Dragic stays in Miami, 5 years 90 Mio Dollar
- Brandon Knight stays with the Suns, 5 years 70 Mio Dollar
- Khris Middleton stays with the Bucks 5 years, 70 Mio Dollar

- Brook Lopez stays with the Nets 3 years 60 Mio Dollar
- Thaddeus Young stays with the Nets 4 years 50 Mio Dollar
- Danny Green stays with the Spurs 4 years 45 Mio Dollar
- Kyle Singler stays in OKC, 5 years 25 Mio Dollar
- Alexis Ajinca stays with the Pelicans, 4 years 20 Mio Dollar
- Anthony Davis stays with the Pelicans 5 years, 145 Mio Dollar
- Al-Farouq Aminu to Portland 4 years 30 Mio Dollar
- Mike Dunleavy stays with the Bulls 3 years, 14,5 Mio Dollar
- Draymond Green stays with the Warriors, 5 years 82-85 Mio Dollar
- Paul Pierce to the Clippers 3 years, 10 Mio Dollar
- Iman Shumpert stays with the Cavs 4 years, 40 Mio Dollar
- The KIngs trade Stauskas, Thompson, Landry und a protected 1st Rounder to Philly to get Capspace
- Brandan Wright to the Grizzlies , 3 years, 8 Mio Dollar

[Underdog]

@DLord_DBdotcom: Max salary for Jordan or Aldridge is 19M+. Mavs have 32ish to work with. SMH at Mavs fans who, ignoring injury, want 15M offer to Matthews.


Maths.

[Kante]

Woj:

Free agent Greg Monroe will sign a maximum contract with the Milwaukee Bucks, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

[Underdog]

^So I guess that takes the Bucks out of the "running" for Aldridge... Did he even meet with them?