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LonghornDub · 04-07-2010, 11:42 PM

Throughout the game, Dragic has singlehandedly helped keep the Spurs in striking range with his terrible shooting and generally incompetent play.

LonghornDub · 04-07-2010, 11:57 PM

I think Dragic heard me, because he has had a great 4th quarter. So much so that Gentry never even put Nash back in.

mavs777 · 04-08-2010, 01:36 AM

Updated west standings

1. Lakers 55-22

2. Dallas 51-27 (4 1/2 GB)
3. Denver 51-27 (4 1/2 GB)
4. Phoenix 51-27 (4 1/2 GB)
5. Utah 51-28 (5 GB)

6. Portland 48-30 (7 1/2 GB)
7. San Antonio 48-30 (7 1/2 GB)
8. Oklahoma City 48-30 (7 1/2 GB)

2-5 and 6-8 are dead tight

Dtownsfinest · 04-08-2010, 02:16 AM

LOL. Melo is laying on the ground and the Thunder and even his own teammates keep playing like he's not even there.

mavs777 · 04-08-2010, 02:31 AM

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LOL. Melo is laying on the ground and the Thunder and even his own teammates keep playing like he's not even there.

Actually no, his teamates went over to look at him but they let play resume so then they were playing

pedro-rodriguez · 04-08-2010, 06:28 AM

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So you admit that large variance in FTA can be achieved with no change in playing style? (I disagree, but nonetheless this is the basis of your argument against Durant).

I totally agree with you. The different playing style is obvious. Dirk is just a jumpshooter. Durant is going strong to the rim. No surprise he gets more freethrows.

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Unsubstantiated nonsense. Stars (i.e. the best players in the league) get to the free throw line because they know how to drive and know how to draw illegal contact from defenders. Stars can get preferential treatment, but your anti-Durant posts are silly, bordering on spiteful.

I would agree to sefant77 that some players get more calls than others. But I can't understand the permanent whining that Dirk gets no calls. That's obviously bullshit.
Dirk is a jumpshooter and gets 0.39FTA/FGA. Look at some other players that are rumered to be prefered by the refs.
Wade 0.46 FTA/FGA (attacking the rim more than Dirk)
Anthony 0.41 FTA/FGA (attacking the rim more than Dirk)
Bryant 0.34 FTA/FGA
Parker 0.34 FTA/FGA
Ginobili 0.38 FTA/FGA

Even a postplayer like Duncan only gets 0.34 FTA/FGA.
I can't see any signs that dirk gets no calls.

LetsGoMavs · 04-08-2010, 08:36 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09Lzg...ayer_embedded#

Anthony is just pathetic...and Dantley has to be the worst coach ever for not calling a timeout. (JR nearly stepped on Melos head.)

dalmations202 · 04-08-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pedro-rodriguez

I totally agree with you. The different playing style is obvious. Dirk is just a jumpshooter. Durant is going strong to the rim. No surprise he gets more freethrows.

I would agree to sefant77 that some players get more calls than others. But I can't understand the permanent whining that Dirk gets no calls. That's obviously bullshit.
Dirk is a jumpshooter and gets 0.39FTA/FGA. Look at some other players that are rumered to be prefered by the refs.
Wade 0.46 FTA/FGA (attacking the rim more than Dirk)
Anthony 0.41 FTA/FGA (attacking the rim more than Dirk)
Bryant 0.34 FTA/FGA
Parker 0.34 FTA/FGA
Ginobili 0.38 FTA/FGA

Even a postplayer like Duncan only gets 0.34 FTA/FGA.
I can't see any signs that dirk gets no calls.

I totally disagree -- Dirk is just a better jump shooter than Wade, Durant, and Anthony -- so he uses it more.

Dirk will take the ball to the rim, but then gets killed and doesn't get the call because historically 7' should play inside and absorb the punishment. Dirk does drive, till he doesn't get the calls. I have seen games where all Dirk did was take the ball to the rim -- when he was getting the calls. He just doesn't keep doing it when he isn't getting the calls, and he can better help the team with his ability to shoot the rock. Why not use his incredible talent to shoot over shorter people, instead of keep trying to drive -- when he is considered a big and the refs won't call the body contact?

fluid.forty.one · 04-08-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pedro-rodriguez

Dirk is just a jumpshooter.

automatic negative rep

mavs777 · 04-08-2010, 02:33 PM

lol you think dirk is just a jumpshooter you don't know basketball

quietsavant · 04-09-2010, 12:12 AM

freaking lakers sat kobe? I would bet that they want no part of denver in the second and would love the nuggets to get the 2 seed. guarantteing that they see them in the WCF

Dirkadirkastan · 04-09-2010, 12:29 AM

Phil Jackson is, quite simply, a terrible coach. He can't do shit without riding the coattails of the league's best player.

Windmill360 · 04-09-2010, 12:30 AM

Fisher is a terrible player as well. He needs to retire.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-09-2010, 12:33 AM

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Fisher is a terrible player as well. He needs to retire.

I keep hearing stuff about Fisher hitting many clutch shots in his career. Is that true? I only recall one.

rabbitproof · 04-09-2010, 12:58 AM

Kobe = hating.

fluid.forty.one · 04-09-2010, 01:17 AM

dammit phil

mavs777 · 04-09-2010, 01:48 AM

Denver wins, if they cooperate and lose in Phoenix this is very good news

LonghornDub · 04-09-2010, 02:16 AM

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Denver wins, if they cooperate and lose in Phoenix this is very good news

The more I think about it, the idea that it's good for Denver to win makes less and less sense. It's only a good thing if the Mavs, Jazz, and Nuggets all finish tied for #2, but now it's just as likely that the Nuggets finish #2 and the Mavs and Jazz finish tied for #3 and #4, in which case we'll be wishing the Nuggets had lost this game.

mavs777 · 04-09-2010, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

The more I think about it, the idea that it's good for Denver to win makes less and less sense. It's only a good thing if the Mavs, Jazz, and Nuggets all finish tied for #2, but now it's just as likely that the Nuggets finish #2 and the Mavs and Jazz finish tied for #3 and #4, in which case we'll be wishing the Nuggets had lost this game.

The schedules are very similar both teams have a good they definitely should lose

Dallas @ Portland
Denver @ Phoenix
both teams should win out other than those games, if that does happen Dallas gets the 2 seed

LonghornDub · 04-09-2010, 02:29 AM

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The schedules are very similar both teams have a good they definitely should lose

Dallas @ Portland
Denver @ Phoenix
both teams should win out other than those games, if that does happen Dallas gets the 2 seed

I certainly agree with you that those are tough games, but I think at this point there's still way too many permutations of what could happen. Maybe you'll ultimately be right and we'll end up tied with both of them, but it's going to really suck if Denver ends up ahead of us by one game and then we get bumped all the way to #4 because we're tied with Utah for #3/#4.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-09-2010, 03:44 AM

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I certainly agree with you that those are tough games, but I think at this point there's still way too many permutations of what could happen. Maybe you'll ultimately be right and we'll end up tied with both of them, but it's going to really suck if Denver ends up ahead of us by one game and then we get bumped all the way to #4 because we're tied with Utah for #3/#4.

Nope! Don't forget, we win ANY tiebreaker for #3 if we are a division winner and they are not. The only way we lose a tiebreaker for #3 is if Phoenix is #2 and Denver is #5.

pedro-rodriguez · 04-09-2010, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

I totally disagree -- Dirk is just a better jump shooter than Wade, Durant, and Anthony -- so he uses it more.

Dirk will take the ball to the rim, but then gets killed and doesn't get the call because historically 7' should play inside and absorb the punishment. Dirk does drive, till he doesn't get the calls. I have seen games where all Dirk did was take the ball to the rim -- when he was getting the calls. He just doesn't keep doing it when he isn't getting the calls, and he can better help the team with his ability to shoot the rock. Why not use his incredible talent to shoot over shorter people, instead of keep trying to drive -- when he is considered a big and the refs won't call the body contact?

I totally agree with your first point. No doubt that Dirk is one of the best jump shooters in this league.
But the times when dirk is taking the ball to the rim over an over again are over. I don't critizise that he takes more jumpshots cause he hits them very well. And I agree that he helps his team with taking the shots. But that was not my point.
The only thing I wanted to point out is that Dirk gets more freethrows than most of the people think. Normally you would consider that players attacking the rim would get more calls than a jumpshooter. The numbers tell us a different story. That's all.

pedro-rodriguez · 04-09-2010, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

lol you think dirk is just a jumpshooter you don't know basketball

Dirk is more than just a jumpshooter. But compared to the players I mentioned he is just a jumpshooter. Refered to 82games.com 83% of his shots are Jumpers. Only 17% of his shots are inside.
Compared to the other players I mentioned:

Wade 63% Jumper 37% Inside
Anthony 64% Jumper 36% Inside
Bryant 77% Jumper 33% Inside
Duncan 60% Jumper 40% Inside
Ginobili 67% Jumper 33% Inside
Parker 61% Jumper 39% Inside

So all of this players are taking less jumpshots than Dirk. And all of them are getting less freethrows.

Dirk knows well how to create contact and how to go to the freethrowline. And he gets the calls. That's my point.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-09-2010, 09:58 AM

I think the main problem is the connotation associated with the phrase "just a jumpshooter". That implies he's no more than a glorified Ilgauskas that only shoots wide open jumpers from 20 feet out. Instead, he's the player defenses focus on the most. He has to deal with the opponent's best defender in isolation, using pump fakes, spin moves, up-and-unders, and yes, the occasional drive to the basket, to get the defender to overcommit and end up fouling him. And even when he shoots jumpers, they are contested fadeaways that are still high percentage shots, not bailout prayers.

Of course, all the Mavs fans know this, but it needs to be reiterated when addressing that particular phrase.

LonghornDub · 04-09-2010, 12:06 PM

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Nope! Don't forget, we win ANY tiebreaker for #3 if we are a division winner and they are not. The only way we lose a tiebreaker for #3 is if Phoenix is #2 and Denver is #5.

Good call sir, good call. Maybe it was for the best that Denver won, then.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-09-2010, 03:48 PM

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Maybe it was for the best that Denver won, then.

I wouldn't say that. We want Denver to be tied with Utah (which is why it's a little flaky whether we want them to win or lose).

LonghornDub · 04-09-2010, 03:50 PM

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I wouldn't say that. We want Denver to be tied with Utah (which is why it's a little flaky whether we want them to win or lose).

Hence the "maybe." But according to what you just said, we not only want Denver to be tied with Utah, but secondarily we want Denver to win the division so that Utah doesn't. A Denver win helps accomplish that, regardless of what Utah does. Unless I'm misunderstanding?

quietsavant · 04-09-2010, 07:28 PM

I was unaware of this, but Marc Stein made a brief mention on the Weekend Dime that Chris paul quietly shut it down for the season, after injuring a ligament in his hand while playing against us.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/p.../award-winners

mavErika · 04-09-2010, 08:45 PM

And within minutes of the third quarter the New Orleans Quitters are down 20 to the Jazz at home. I can't believe they somehow won two games in their last ten, must have happended accidentally... Gosh, I hate them!

Dirkadirkastan · 04-09-2010, 10:36 PM

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Hence the "maybe." But according to what you just said, we not only want Denver to be tied with Utah, but secondarily we want Denver to win the division so that Utah doesn't. A Denver win helps accomplish that, regardless of what Utah does. Unless I'm misunderstanding?

Denver holds the tiebreaker over Utah, so we don't need them too far out in front.

Anyway, how 'bout them Spurs against the Grizz?

GermanDunk · 04-10-2010, 01:39 PM

What´s the difference between a awingman, an authentic and a replica. Those jerseys look almost the same and it´s the same material.

LonghornDub · 04-10-2010, 10:28 PM

Spurs have destroyed the Nuggets.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-10-2010, 10:50 PM

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Mavericks Rockets Fan · 04-11-2010, 01:38 AM

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I keep hearing stuff about Fisher hitting many clutch shots in his career. Is that true? I only recall one.

I can think of two. That 0.3s game winner against the Spurs and that three against Orlando. He's no Robert Horry though...

Windmill360 · 04-11-2010, 01:38 AM

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What´s the difference between a awingman, an authentic and a replica. Those jerseys look almost the same and it´s the same material.

Authentics are what the players actually wear; same material, same style and everything down to the stitch. It's an exact duplicate.

Swingman are made to look exactly like the authentics but they are made of a different material. These are great if you want the look of what the players wear but don't want to shell out around $200.

Replicas aren't precise and don't have stitched on numerals, they are printed on.

sefant77 · 04-11-2010, 05:10 PM

The stupidity of the Lakers at the end of the game even beats Terry and Barea choking the game away in NO

With Odom in the S5 the lakers bench is the worst piece of garbage in the league...

SCOOTERJ55 · 04-11-2010, 08:48 PM

Just watched the first quarter of OKC @ GSW.... the Warriors really aren't too fussed about playing defence. They kind of have collective ADD, just constantly trying to run fast breaks. 42-25

Durant has 18 with only 8 FGs attempted. Scoring crown locked up.

SCOOTERJ55 · 04-11-2010, 08:54 PM

In the last 60 seconds the Warriors have attempted three pointers from 25, 26 and 28 feet.

chumdawg · 04-11-2010, 08:55 PM

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In the last 60 seconds the Warriors have attempted three pointers from 25, 26 and 28 feet.

Did they make any?

tcat075 · 04-11-2010, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pedro-rodriguez

Dirk is more than just a jumpshooter. But compared to the players I mentioned he is just a jumpshooter. Refered to 82games.com 83% of his shots are Jumpers. Only 17% of his shots are inside.
Compared to the other players I mentioned:

Wade 63% Jumper 37% Inside
Anthony 64% Jumper 36% Inside
Bryant 77% Jumper 33% Inside
Duncan 60% Jumper 40% Inside
Ginobili 67% Jumper 33% Inside
Parker 61% Jumper 39% Inside

So all of this players are taking less jumpshots than Dirk. And all of them are getting less freethrows.

Dirk knows well how to create contact and how to go to the freethrowline. And he gets the calls. That's my point.

Realize a few things.

1) Dirk drives for a foul much more than any of those players you mentioned. I'm not saying those guys you said don't try to drive and draw contact to the free throw line, but they also are very good finishers. Dirk is good, but that's not his game, so often when he drives its for the foul. And he often gets it.

2) As a result, I bet those numbers are slightly skewed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that 81%/19% doesn't count when Dirk drives and is fouled. Just when he puts up an actual shot attempt inside. If it counted that, just by the sheer number of free throws Dirk takes, I would imagine his inside % would rise higher than most those other players. I'm not saying he'd been equal with them, but he'd be closer.

3) For Dirk, when he's driving a pullup J is nearly as effective for him as LeBron going hard and jamming it. If that 19% doesn't count Dirk pulling up for a 7 foot J, then its very misleading. Because Dirk hits that 7 foot J as well as most players finishing around the rim.

Dirk does get calls when he's shooting and driving, I agree. There's always times when you think he should get more, but he gets his share. However, the biggest complaint I have with the refs and Dirk is the defender being allowed to put two hands on him when Dirk is posted, or a hand on him when he's faced up with the defender. Both are illegal, but neither are consistantly called.