2014 Offseason Thread - Page 23 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

hayth.james.g · 07-03-2014, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@espn_macmahon: Miami, Houston, Chicago, Dallas among teams expressing interest in Shawn Marion. Wants to play 2 more years. Market could be $5M per range

Too high.

EricaLubarsky · 07-03-2014, 05:01 PM

Updated to take off players who have agreed to deals.

Center
Pau Gasol (UFA)
Emeka Okafor (UFA)
Greg Monroe (RFA)
Chris Andersen (UFA)
Channing Frye (UFA)

Power Forward
Jordan Hill (UFA)
DeJuan Blair (UFA)
Kris Humphries (UFA)
Boris Diaw (UFA)
Josh McRoberts (UFA)

Small Forward
Trevor Ariza (UFA)
Luol Deng (UFA)
Chandler Parsons (RFA)
PJ Tucker (RFA)
Vince Carter (UFA)
Caron Butler (UFA)
Dante Cunningham (UFA)

Shooting Guard
Lance Stephenson (UFA)
Kent Bazemore (RFA)
Eric Bledsoe (RFA)
Nick Young (UFA)
Shaun Livingston (UFA)
Kirk Hinrich (UFA)

Point Guard
Devin Harris (UFA)
Beno Udrih (UFA)
DJ Augustin (UFA)

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2014, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@espn_macmahon: Miami, Houston, Chicago, Dallas among teams expressing interest in Shawn Marion. Wants to play 2 more years. Market could be $5M per range

Price sounds a bit vague, but it really depends if the Mavs get Ariza or Deng. Just don't really see him staying.

hayth.james.g · 07-03-2014, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Updated to take off players who have agreed to deals.

Center
Pau Gasol (UFA)
Emeka Okafor (UFA)
Greg Monroe (RFA)
Chris Andersen (UFA)
Channing Frye (UFA)

Power Forward
Jordan Hill (UFA)
DeJuan Blair (UFA)
Kris Humphries (UFA)
Boris Diaw (UFA)
Josh McRoberts (UFA)

Small Forward
Trevor Ariza (UFA)
Luol Deng (UFA)
Chandler Parsons (RFA)
PJ Tucker (RFA)
Vince Carter (UFA)
Caron Butler (UFA)
Dante Cunningham (UFA)

Shooting Guard
Lance Stephenson (UFA)
Kent Bazemore (RFA)
Eric Bledsoe (RFA)
Nick Young (UFA)
Shaun Livingston (UFA)
Kirk Hinrich (UFA)

Point Guard
Devin Harris (UFA)
Beno Udrih (UFA)
DJ Augustin (UFA)

DJ and Hayward agreed on deals?

EricaLubarsky · 07-03-2014, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

DJ and Hayward agreed on deals?

Hayward is likely to get max or near-max.

Just forgot Augustin since he was a small fish, but I edited to add him.

Melonhead · 07-03-2014, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Updated to take off players who have agreed to deals.

Center
Pau Gasol (UFA)
Emeka Okafor (UFA)
Greg Monroe (RFA)
Chris Andersen (UFA)
Channing Frye (UFA)(usually plays PF)

Power Forward
Jordan Hill (UFA)
DeJuan Blair (UFA)(for the right price)
Kris Humphries (UFA)
Boris Diaw (UFA)
Josh McRoberts (UFA)

Small Forward
Trevor Ariza (UFA)
Luol Deng (UFA)
Chandler Parsons (RFA)
PJ Tucker (RFA)
Vince Carter (UFA)
Caron Butler (UFA)
Dante Cunningham (UFA)

Shooting Guard
Lance Stephenson (UFA)
Kent Bazemore (RFA)
Eric Bledsoe (RFA)
Nick Young (UFA)
Shaun Livingston (UFA)
Kirk Hinrich (UFA)

Point Guard
Devin Harris (UFA)
Beno Udrih (UFA)
DJ Augustin (UFA)

Bold are my choices if the money is there. I honestly cant decide between Deng, Ariza, Parsons. One of the 3 Id be okay with. Harris I want back for nothing over 4m.

hayth.james.g · 07-03-2014, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Hayward is likely to get max or near-max.

Just forgot Augustin since he was a small fish, but I edited to add him.

Until we actually see 15 mill a year on him I'm not buying it..... And Augustin is as big of a fish as Harris

hayth.james.g · 07-03-2014, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Bold are my choices if the money is there. I honestly cant decide between Deng, Ariza, Parsons. One of the 3 Id be okay with. Harris I want back for nothing over 4m.

I'm with you 100% although I am sold on Parsons as a fit but worried on cost. Deng seems like a horrible fit. Ariza is likely to get paid more than he's worth but honestly he's just a much better fit than Deng.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2014, 05:14 PM

^You also forgot Aminu EL.

Underdog · 07-03-2014, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Updated to take off players who have agreed to deals.

Center
Pau Gasol (UFA)
Emeka Okafor (UFA)
Greg Monroe (RFA)
Chris Andersen (UFA)
Channing Frye (UFA)

Power Forward
Jordan Hill (UFA)
DeJuan Blair (UFA)
Kris Humphries (UFA)
Boris Diaw (UFA)
Josh McRoberts (UFA)

Small Forward
Trevor Ariza (UFA)
Luol Deng (UFA)
Chandler Parsons (RFA)
PJ Tucker (RFA)
Vince Carter (UFA)
Caron Butler (UFA)
Dante Cunningham (UFA)

Shooting Guard
Lance Stephenson (UFA)
Kent Bazemore (RFA)
Eric Bledsoe (RFA)
Nick Young (UFA)
Shaun Livingston (UFA)
Kirk Hinrich (UFA)

Point Guard
Devin Harris (UFA)
Beno Udrih (UFA)
DJ Augustin (UFA)
Isaiah Thomas (RFA)

Paul Pierce, Spencer Hawes, Mo Williams and Al-Frouq Aminu are all rumored to have been contacted by the Mavs.

Underdog · 07-03-2014, 05:37 PM

Mavs staying flexible with their deals... Summer 2015 Tyson's expires and Ellis can opt out, summer 2016 Dirk can opt out.

jthig32 · 07-03-2014, 05:45 PM

Ellis opting out is bad flexibility. If he has another season like last season he's going to demand about a 50% pay increase.

Melonhead · 07-03-2014, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Ellis opting out is bad flexibility. If he has another season like last season he's going to demand about a 50% pay increase.

Hes def going to be wanting that 12m back he initially demanded.

Underdog · 07-03-2014, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Ellis opting out is bad flexibility. If he has another season like last season he's going to demand about a 50% pay increase.

Having the option to let him walk is flexibility... Worst-case scenario you have $8.7m in cap space.

jthig32 · 07-03-2014, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Having the option to let him walk is flexibility... Worst-case scenario you have $8.7m in cap space.

But its his option. So if he has a bad year he won't exercise it. I assure you, they would prefer he didn't have a player option.

Floppy · 07-03-2014, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Ellis opting out is bad flexibility. If he has another season like last season he's going to demand about a 50% pay increase.

We will have early bird rights on Ellis and can go over the cap re-signing up to $14.63 Million 175% of previous salary

ActionJackson · 07-03-2014, 07:11 PM

What do you estimate Chandler Parson's range will be? Or how much for Vince?

G-Man · 07-03-2014, 07:12 PM

Ellis has been a super bargain for us. He got caught in the squeeze at the end of free agency last summer, and his time with the Bucks made teams leary. He is fully rehabilitated as a Maverick, and easily worth 10 to 12 million. One of Donnie's best deals. Would you rather have him for 8 mil or DWill for 15?

jthig32 · 07-03-2014, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Floppy

We will have early bird rights on Ellis and can go over the cap re-signing up to $14.63 Million 175% of previous salary

I know.

mac222b · 07-03-2014, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Floppy

We will have early bird rights on Ellis and can go over the cap re-signing up to $14.63 Million 175% of previous salary

This is excellent. What about Tyson?

jthig32 · 07-03-2014, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

This is excellent. What about Tyson?

We will have his Bird rights too.

That offseason will be interesting, because the Mavs could either stay over the cap and get the MLE, or go way, way under and have max cap room.

(Assuming the salaries stay roughly how they're headed right now.)

mac222b · 07-03-2014, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

We will have his Bird rights too.

That offseason will be interesting, because the Mavs could either stay over the cap and get the MLE, or go way, way under and have max cap room.

(Assuming the salaries stay roughly how they're headed right now.)

I like it. Another favorable aspect of the Chandler deal.
As always, thanks for the good info Thig.

CapitanObvious · 07-03-2014, 08:01 PM

Woo this was what i was waiting for! Finally, the real FA action begins.
Bait Parsons with 8-10M for 3 years, if the Rockets match, screw them.
Offer Deng/Ariza 8-10M for 3 years - Profit
Isaiah Thomas with 6M
Harris/Vets

Offseason win.

jthig32 · 07-03-2014, 08:06 PM

I think you're having to give Parsons 11-13 million for to have any chance of it not getting matched.

CapitanObvious · 07-03-2014, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I think you're having to give Parsons 11-13 million for to have any chance of it not getting matched.

No Isaiah Thomas then?

grndmstr_c · 07-03-2014, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I think you're having to give Parsons 11-13 million for to have any chance of it not getting matched.

Heck, you'll probably have to offer 10 minimum in order for there to even be any chance of him agreeing to sign the offer sheet. And at any rate, if Houston does match, you want them to be saddled with LT concerns. No reason to waste your time on Parsons unless you're going to go big with your offer.

grndmstr_c · 07-03-2014, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CapitanObvious

No Isaiah Thomas then?

Dallas would still have (what I'd think would be reasonable) S&T options for Isaiah.

sike · 07-03-2014, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

And at any rate, if Houston does match, you want them to be saddled with LT concerns.

Exactly. Get a solid young talent and overpay...OR...screw one of your rivals.
Win/Win.

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No reason to waste your time on Parsons unless you're going to go big with your offer.

Indeed.

rimrocker · 07-03-2014, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Bold are my choices if the money is there. I honestly cant decide between Deng, Ariza, Parsons. One of the 3 Id be okay with. Harris I want back for nothing over 4m.

Harris is the best on that list and now has tremendous leverage. Not sure why Isaiah isn't on that list unless I missed something today.

I sense a trade coming to address our PG hole.

Melonhead · 07-03-2014, 10:37 PM

It's only been a few days but really burned out on this melo/lebron courtship.

Murphy3 · 07-03-2014, 11:46 PM

Yep, just ready for the off season to be over...

yahyes · 07-04-2014, 02:46 AM

I see that Portland went with the low IQ guy named Kaman. Which means Spencer Hawes still is on the table as a backup.

grndmstr_c · 07-04-2014, 10:41 AM

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Tim MacMahon @espn_macmahon · 1h
Mavs still optimistic about keeping Devin Harris and Vince Carter. Not so much with Shawn Marion.

Not surprising, if earlier reports of Marion's price tag being in the range of 5 per for 2 years are to be believed.

dalmations202 · 07-04-2014, 11:17 AM

Here's my thoughts:
Get Pau if you can get him for less than Dirk took.
Trade for either Martell Webster, or AK47 -- or any other defensive minded SF who is not a liability on offense.
Sign DJ Augustin.
Sign Vince and Devin.

Harris/DJ
Ellis/Vince
Defensive SF/Crowder
Dirk/Pau
Chandler/Wright.

Harris can slide to the SG when needed.
Vince can play the SF when needed.
Pau can play both the PF and C when needed O vs D.

Both the first and second team could be very strong on O and D.

Underdog · 07-04-2014, 12:33 PM

‏@espn_macmahon: Mavs think they can get Devin Harris deal done. Also in touch with Isaiah Thomas, Mo Williams and D.J. Augustin.

Mavs still confident they'll keep Harris

Underdog · 07-04-2014, 12:37 PM

@espn_macmahon: Mavs put out feeler on 7-foot C/PF Jason Smith. Very good midrange shooter, injury issues. Guess is he'd be vet-minimum guy.

Five-ofan · 07-04-2014, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

‏@espn_macmahon: Mavs think they can get Devin Harris deal done. Also in touch with Isaiah Thomas, Mo Williams and D.J. Augustin.

Mavs still confident they'll keep Harris

I can't stress how much I'd prefer Thomas over augustin

jthig32 · 07-04-2014, 12:41 PM

I was looking at Smith a couple days ago. If he stayed healthy he'd be a steal at the minimum.

Underdog · 07-04-2014, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

I can't stress how much I'd prefer Thomas over augustin

No doubt, but Thomas is probably going to cost twice as much as Augustin... Hell, you can probably get both Devin and DJ for the price of Thomas.

G-Man · 07-04-2014, 01:01 PM

[QUOTE=sike;1348921]Exactly. Get a solid young talent and overpay...OR...screw one of your rivals.
Win/Win.

I agree 100%.

In fact I'd rather do this than chase Carmelo. If you take his scoring, then subtract what he gives up, I think you net more points with Parsons.