2018 Free Agency / Armchair GM Thread - Page 23 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

EricaLubarsky · 06-30-2018, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

They are bidding against themselves. If he gets more than 20m and or more than 3yrs they have no business being in this business. Unless he wants more $ for less years. Say 2yrs, 44m

2/44 would be amazing. Id even do 2/50 if he’d take that

Underdog · 06-30-2018, 08:34 PM

@dalton_trigg: If Lebron leaves... and the #Mavs do secure Deandre... they should see what CLE wants for Love. And by that I mean, they should see if CLE is willing to take Wes’ expiring $18M for Love’s 2yr/$49M. Mavs all of a sudden become a rebounding machine.

DSJ/Luka/HB/Love/DAJ

SMC0007 · 06-30-2018, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@dalton_trigg: If Lebron leaves... and the #Mavs do secure Deandre... they should see what CLE wants for Love. And by that I mean, they should see if CLE is willing to take Wes’ expiring $18M for Love’s 2yr/$49M. Mavs all of a sudden become a rebounding machine.

DSJ/Luka/HB/Love/DAJ

Love is soft as a pound cake.

Underdog · 06-30-2018, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Love is soft as a pound cake.

So you're saying Love has toughened-up a bit?

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-30-2018, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Love is soft as a pound cake.

I don't want any player with mud legs, but for Wes? Maybe.

SMC0007 · 06-30-2018, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

So you're saying Love has toughened-up a bit?

😀 After thinking about it, it ensures Doncic doesnt lose any minutes to Wes and we probably don't really lose any 3 pt shooting and gain some softcore rebounds.

3_Ball · 06-30-2018, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Yepp, Randle is bad fit for Rick...

I'm not discounting the value certain players have for certain organizations/systems & therefore coaches... But, that said, one would think the value of having a top 3 - top 5 coach in the league is so he can take any player & make them better---not just "his" guys.

3_Ball · 06-30-2018, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I would say Literally 99% of us are thinking about long term or at least beyond this year. Most of us have been doing this same thing each off season here.

That's not how it comes across in a read. I understand what Me.B was saying. There's an inordinate amount of focus on who's going to play the 5 NEXT year for the Mavs. A) It's only one position. By sinking all our money into DeAndre Jordan we're passing up several young role players who could blossom into something 2-3 years from now. That's at least worth mentioning. B) I think DeAndre Jordan's contract will quickly become very divisive among Mavs fans. It's the type of contract that could keep us from signing someone more desirable in next year's FA class.

Besides those 2 concerns, I don't see DeAndre Jordan putting us in the playoffs next year. 2 years from now he's just 2 years older & then I'm sure I won't like his production for the cost. I can easily see DeAndre Jordan being a player who we're hating that we signed before his contract runs out. That's worth some consideration too.

thewizard · 06-30-2018, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@dalton_trigg: If Lebron leaves... and the #Mavs do secure Deandre... they should see what CLE wants for Love. And by that I mean, they should see if CLE is willing to take Wes’ expiring $18M for Love’s 2yr/$49M. Mavs all of a sudden become a rebounding machine.

DSJ/Luka/HB/Love/DAJ

According to Joe Vardon the "Cavaliers intend to keep Kevin Love if LeBron James leaves; interested in re-signing Jeff Green @clevelanddotcom".

https://twitter.com/joevardon/status...59505767272449

howdoesmydirktaste · 06-30-2018, 09:46 PM

I'm a solid "no" on Kevin Love.

sefant77 · 06-30-2018, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 3_Ball

I'm not discounting the value certain players have for certain organizations/systems & therefore coaches... But, that said, one would think the value of having a top 3 - top 5 coach in the league is so he can take any player & make them better---not just "his" guys.

Pop is pretty successful picking just "his guys" in FA and in the draft...

sefant77 · 06-30-2018, 09:49 PM

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Jordan Schultz
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17 Min.Vor 17 Minuten

Sources: The #Mavs and DeAndre Jordan will be talking at midnight — in 90 minutes. Dallas has made DJ a key target in free agency. The 29-year-old center ranked second in the league w/15.2 rebounds per game last season.

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4 Min.Vor 4 Minuten

DeMarcus Cousins sounds like an increasingly likely target for the Lakers on a short-term max contract now that it appears Los Angeles will lose out on Paul George, per league sources. In January 2017, LeBron James called Cousins "the best big man in our game."

Makes sense with Cousins/Lakers too

3_Ball · 06-30-2018, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Me.B

Long term, no I do not think signing DJ to a 3-4 year deal is in the Mavs best interest. For the immediate future yes, but not on a 3-4 year deal. If he’s not willing to agree to a 2 year I would look to obtaining someone else.

Im not suggesting that they tank because like you said they don’t have a 1st round pick next year...

Why are these the only 2 options? And I'm not singling you out Me.B because I've heard this stated several times.

We don't have OUR 1st round pick next year (if it falls out of the top 5), but that does NOT mean we can't acquire a 1st round pick next year. We could keep this cap space, deal for an expiring contract & pick up a 1st round pick that way. Now, granted teams are holding onto their 1st round picks like a mother holding onto her newborn baby in the maternity wing, but multiple 1st round picks were dealt this past year.... and I do think teams will be more willing to trade 1st rounders in this upcoming draft class, which speaks to the value... but still.

Sign DeAndre Jordan & make the playoffs or don't sign DeAndre Jordan & tank are not the only 2 options we have.

3_Ball · 06-30-2018, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Pop is pretty successful picking just "his guys" in FA and in the draft...

Touche.

sefant77 · 06-30-2018, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 3_Ball

We don't have OUR 1st round pick next year (if it falls out of the top 5), but that does NOT mean we can't acquire a 1st round pick next year. We could keep this cap space, deal for an expiring contract & pick up a 1st round pick that way. Now, granted teams are holding onto their 1st round picks like a mother holding onto her newborn baby in the maternity wing, but multiple 1st round picks were dealt this past year.... and I do think teams will be more willing to trade 1st rounders in this upcoming draft class, which speaks to the value... but still.

Sign DeAndre Jordan & make the playoffs or don't sign DeAndre Jordan & tank are not the only 2 options we have.

Outside the lottery, hell outside the Top-10, the draft is most of the time a crapshot allready. And taking on a big expiring wont net us a 1st anymore, these days are over. So we are picking up a guy with two years left to destroy our free agency over TWO years for a crappy 1st in the 10-20 range?

No...last year in the draft we took the guy we really wanted. This year we took the guy we really wanted. Now it looks like they are picking up the FA guy they really want.

Thats the way to go. And next summer you pick up the next guy that really fits our roster and system. And not absorbing garbage player in our cap just for a draft crapshot...

SMC0007 · 06-30-2018, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 3_Ball

That's not how it comes across in a read. I understand what Me.B was saying. There's an inordinate amount of focus on who's going to play the 5 NEXT year for the Mavs. A) It's only one position. By sinking all our money into DeAndre Jordan we're passing up several young role players who could blossom into something 2-3 years from now. That's at least worth mentioning. B) I think DeAndre Jordan's contract will quickly become very divisive among Mavs fans. It's the type of contract that could keep us from signing someone more desirable in next year's FA class.

Besides those 2 concerns, I don't see DeAndre Jordan putting us in the playoffs next year. 2 years from now he's just 2 years older & then I'm sure I won't like his production for the cost. I can easily see DeAndre Jordan being a player who we're hating that we signed before his contract runs out. That's worth some consideration too.

Fair enough. I have posted about 10 times about starting Powell and Motley but nobody was biting. I wanted way more Motley during the 2nd half of the season and down the stretch of our tank. But, Rick is gonna do Rick things, which often seems a bit behind the curve on some new guys. Mots talent and ability was painfully obvious yet he got no time until it was too late.

I don't see Deandre being anywhere near the albatross Wes and his contract have been. Also it's been repeated numerous times around here that a 2 or 3 year deal isn't affecting us for when Powell and Barnes deals are up.

If its Daj, then we should be excited that Doncic and Dsj have solid pieces for the growth that some are harping about in the next few years. You can grow the kids with Barnes and Daj as anchors in their position and having proven consistent stable vets alongside them.

sefant77 · 06-30-2018, 10:33 PM

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https://twitter.com/ESefko/status/1013263672402239489

Picking up every single summer a fitting piece...

Underdog · 06-30-2018, 10:48 PM

@TheSteinLine: Sources close to DeAndre Jordan say he is eager to join the Mavericks and has made that known to some of his potential new teammates, having declined his $24.1 million option with the Clippers for next season to ensure he had the ability to land in Dallas

sefant77 · 06-30-2018, 10:53 PM

They got the permission to talk to his agent for the case he opts in, pretty sure they allready settled for the exact numbers for the case he opts out.

Im shouting 4/80 or 4/90 with the 4th year as TO. They overpay him but insist on the team option...

sefant77 · 06-30-2018, 10:57 PM

Doug gone to the Pacers
3/22m

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Doug McDermott has agreed to a three-year, $22M deal with Indiana, league source tells ESPN.

tap2390 · 06-30-2018, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@TheSteinLine: Sources close to DeAndre Jordan say he is eager to join the Mavericks and has made that known to some of his potential new teammates, having declined his $24.1 million option with the Clippers for next season to ensure he had the ability to land in Dallas

This guy.

tap2390 · 06-30-2018, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Doug gone to the Pacers 3/22m

Damn that one stings. He saw the writing on the wall with the Mavs dedicating their cap space to DeAndre. Glad he got paid.

Melonhead · 06-30-2018, 11:03 PM

Wanted Doug back the most out of all our FA. That hurts.

3_Ball · 06-30-2018, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Fair enough. I have posted about 10 times about starting Powell and Motley but nobody was biting. I wanted way more Motley during the 2nd half of the season and down the stretch of our tank. But, Rick is gonna do Rick things, which often seems a bit behind the curve on some new guys. Mots talent and ability was painfully obvious yet he got no time until it was too late.

I don't see Deandre being anywhere near the albatross Wes and his contract have been. Also it's been repeated numerous times around here that a 2 or 3 year deal isn't affecting us for when Powell and Barnes deals are up.

If its Daj, then we should be excited that Doncic and Dsj have solid pieces for the growth that some are harping about in the next few years. You can grow the kids with Barnes and Daj as anchors in their position and having proven consistent stable vets alongside them.

I'd love to have Powell start. I honestly think he earned it. If nothing else, I hope he gets those 22-28 starter-ish minutes off the bench & has a chance to form a little chemistry with Doncic.

I agree. I wanted to see more of Motley. Not exactly sure what he has, but I would of liked a longer look to see.

On DeAndre, yeah I'm happy for Doncic & DSJ and even Dirk because I don't think this happens without Dirk's signing off on it. But, as a fan, I'll never root for DeAndre. I'll root for the Dallas on the front of his jersey, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I ever root for the Jordan on the back of his jersey.

Underdog · 06-30-2018, 11:05 PM

@TheSteinLine: DeAndre Jordan and the Dallas Mavericks have verbally agreed on a one-year deal approaching the $24.1 million option with the Clippers for next season that Jordan relinquished Friday, according to league sources

Underdog · 06-30-2018, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thewizard

Looks like Sefko may have been right in his article last night. Mavs sign DAJ using all available caproom in July. 4/100 deal incoming for DAJ.

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Originally Posted by Underdog

LOL, Eddie Sefko... He's rarely right about anything.

Rinse, repeat.

SMC0007 · 06-30-2018, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Rinse, repeat.

I follow him out of desperation for any Mavs news regardless of its validity.

mac222b · 06-30-2018, 11:14 PM

We are suddenly a League Pass must watch. Dennis, Doncic, DeAndre and Dirk

SMC0007 · 06-30-2018, 11:14 PM

Here goes the verbally agree pins and needles wait.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-30-2018, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Doug gone to the Pacers
3/22m

Good deal for him, and they need a shooter pretty badly. Sad to see him go but good for him.

fluid.forty.one · 06-30-2018, 11:31 PM

What's the over/under on how many twitter jokes there's gonna be about DeAndre's verbal commitment?

SMC0007 · 06-30-2018, 11:47 PM

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What's the over/under on how many twitter jokes there's gonna be about DeAndre's verbal commitment?

Already skyrocketing. A lot of redundant and uncreative ones but there are some good ones.

tap2390 · 07-01-2018, 12:16 AM

With McDermott bidding us adieu we need a low-cost wing. Hezonja would be great, but more likely we're looking at someone like Corey Brewer.

sefant77 · 07-01-2018, 12:20 AM

Hezonja is braindead, dont see the fit with Rick...

burner2014 · 07-01-2018, 12:27 AM

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...llas-mavericks

Wow 24/1 would be the best deal I could think off for the Mavs...! Hope they make it happen.

SMC0007 · 07-01-2018, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

With McDermott bidding us adieu we need a low-cost wing. Hezonja would be great, but more likely we're looking at someone like Corey Brewer.

Gerald green would have been cool.

Heezzi · 07-01-2018, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

With McDermott bidding us adieu we need a low-cost wing. Hezonja would be great, but more likely we're looking at someone like Corey Brewer.

He did win a ring with the Mavs...

hayth.james.g · 07-01-2018, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by burner2014

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...llas-mavericks

Wow 24/1 would be the best deal I could think off for the Mavs...! Hope they make it happen.

I agree. I am still wishing we could find a way to land Aaron Gordon, but still... This puts us in a good position to play for a 7/8 seed, move the needle on the development on our future (luka + DSJ), and get back to the winning culture that has defined us for the last 15 years.

3_Ball · 07-01-2018, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Hezonja is braindead, dont see the fit with Rick...

We really need to get out of this "Fit with Rick" thinking here. At least as the prism by which every personnel decision must first be filtered through. You don't start off casting away X amount of the talent pool for perceived conflicts in whichever way... Not trying to be flippant here, but ever seen Moneyball? Same concept.

You have to look just a little deeper. I'm not sure what you can gather from the Magic players of the past 3-4 years. How many coaching changes? How many PGs did they role through? How many different schemes, lineups, lead/go-to players???

There's a guy on YouTube, AFunkyDiabetic, who seems to follow the Magic closely, and he made some great points about Hezonja in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P_baMkc8ho

I'll give you the cliffs: Inconsistent playing time & role on the team likely led to inconsistent performance from Hezonja. When Hezonja saw a regular share of minutes with the same role for a consistent period, he was a nice complimentary role player. He's also only 23 years old & has flashed serious athleticism and upside. You could do a lot, lot worse in this league for a backup SF & he probably won't cost that much either.

3_Ball · 07-01-2018, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

I agree. I am still wishing we could find a way to land Aaron Gordon, but still... This puts us in a good position to play for a 7/8 seed, move the needle on the development on our future (luka + DSJ), and get back to the winning culture that has defined us for the last 15 years.

Yeah, I'd love to get our hands on Aaron Gordon too, but right now I'd settle for Hezonja. I love not being tied to Jordan for more than 1 year. Very nice to have a trial run as it were & see how it goes, then decide if we want to continue & see what comes in FA in 2019.

I'm having a hard time seeing the Mavs push for a 7th or 8th seed. An 8th maybe... but who is falling out of the playoffs in the West?

Thunder: PG13 looks like he's staying put in OKC... but if he moves along then the Thunder could drop out

Spurs: They're the most likely imo because it seems clear Kawhi won't be wearing a Spurs jersey when the season starts, but hell, they made the playoffs, essentially, without him last year.

Pelicans: New Orleans was actually better after Boogie went down. I guess they could regress.

Utah: Donovan Mitchell has a Sophomore slump... That's the hope? I mean what if he's just better in year 2 & Gobert plays a full season.

Minnesota: They're not losing any pieces this year. If anything players will just be more comfortable in Thibbs system.

I mean, the Clippers went 42-40 last year & at no time did I ever feel like they were contenders for the playoffs & that's before they traded Blake away.

And what the hell happens if LeBron signs with the Lakers?!

I mean, I think the Mavs might... and the keyword there is might... push for 40 wins, but Denver had 46 Ws last year & missed the playoffs.

I think competitive, yes. The playoffs... Um, I don't think Vegas will like our chances very much at all.

Edit: Another thought on this, say the Mavs do make the 8th seed. Is there a lot of benefit to getting thumped 4-0 by the Warriors? Other than Luka getting the thrill of playing vs Steph, one of his idols, how does that further the franchise? I think the Mavs would need to make the 6th seed to have a chance at facing a team in the playoffs they had a realistic shot of taking to a game 6.