The"Crap, it didn't happen..but it was awesome to think of" thread - Page 24 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

CadBane · 03-04-2012, 08:36 PM

Deron has 55 points tonight.

mavspwnage · 03-04-2012, 09:47 PM

um yes please to DWill. YES MUTHAEFFIN PLEASE

mavs777 · 03-04-2012, 10:01 PM

brook lopez also got an injury.

GhostFace · 03-04-2012, 10:05 PM

Just watched footage and some of those shots were just filthy. Jesus. How is though that he scores 57 and they only win by 3. Do the Nets not play defense or were the Bobcats all over them on offense?

dude1394 · 03-04-2012, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

brook lopez also got an injury.

Really, that's a shame..he's really talented.

sefant77 · 03-04-2012, 10:32 PM

just rolled his ankle...1-2 weeks out maximum...

mavs777 · 03-04-2012, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostFace

Just watched footage and some of those shots were just filthy. Jesus. How is though that he scores 57 and they only win by 3. Do the Nets not play defense or were the Bobcats all over them on offense?

The Nets are terrible, still not sure how we lost to them.

AO41 · 03-04-2012, 10:47 PM

D Will BEASTED tonight

...pleaseeee come to DALLAS

57 PTS 6 REB 7 ASSISTS..........in 38 MINUTES (pretty amazing)

dude1394 · 03-04-2012, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

The Nets are terrible, still not sure how we lost to them.

So are the hornets...

GhostFace · 03-04-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

The Nets are terrible, still not sure how we lost to them.

Lopez going for 40, totally normal. Derek Fisher 10 years younger against us, totally normal. Laker rookies turning into master 3 point shooters against us, totally normal.

Sigh.

3D.

xrobx · 03-05-2012, 12:37 AM

lopez injury is bad news for him but pretty good for us

Como11 · 03-05-2012, 03:22 PM

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...mavs-best-move

Not good news for the 3D fans.

After reading that article, the chances that we get Deron AND Dwight seem very slim now. Mark Cuban is trying to play it safe with money.

Hopefully we will get one though.

Underdog · 03-05-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Como11

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...mavs-best-move

Not good news for the 3D fans.

After reading that article, the chances that we get Deron AND Dwight seem very slim now. Mark Cuban is trying to play it safe with money.

Hopefully we will get one though.

What else do you expect Cuban to say in the middle of the season? It's kinda hard to motivate guys to play for a ring if you're constantly talking about getting rid of them this summer...

j0Shi · 03-05-2012, 03:35 PM

Slim now?

Right from the start there was a 5%-7% chance of landing both Deron & Dwight. Everything else is just dreaming. I've been skeptic all along to be honest. They can't pay two max contracts, will have to contend with 3D and 12 minimum players and they definitely will have to pay the harsher luxury tax in two years, because in my eyes there is no way to get under the tax line when three players consume all your cap space.

And even Cuban seems reluctant to spend that much money. There is a chance to get under the tax this season, but the Mavericks don't really have players to trade just for savings without significantly lowering their chances this year.

Unless both players take a major cut, it's highly unlikely.

LonghornDub · 03-05-2012, 03:44 PM

I'll be interested to see an official report on the severity of Lopez's injury.

mavs777 · 03-05-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Como11

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...mavs-best-move

Not good news for the 3D fans.

After reading that article, the chances that we get Deron AND Dwight seem very slim now. Mark Cuban is trying to play it safe with money.

Hopefully we will get one though.

Huh? Cuban is basically saying the team has many options on how to spend the cap space, nobody said deron/dwight to dallas was a lock of any sort. I am sure Cuban has thought out pretty much every situation just like any owner/gm should do.

j0Shi · 03-05-2012, 03:58 PM

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X-rays today were negative on #Nets center Brook Lopez's sprained right ankle, league source says.

https://twitter.com/KBergCBS/statuse...73108437495808

LonghornDub · 03-05-2012, 04:00 PM

Lopez out three weeks. Nets PR will be issuing an update on his rehab on March 23 (8 days after the deadline).

This helps our case, I'd say.

clutch#41 · 03-05-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Como11

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...mavs-best-move

Not good news for the 3D fans.

After reading that article, the chances that we get Deron AND Dwight seem very slim now. Mark Cuban is trying to play it safe with money.

Hopefully we will get one though.

its called the bs report for a reason!!!

mavs777 · 03-05-2012, 04:03 PM

I don't think howard is traded either way, this is going to offseason

Firnen · 03-05-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Slim now?

Right from the start there was a 5%-7% chance of landing both Deron & Dwight. Everything else is just dreaming. I've been skeptic all along to be honest. They can't pay two max contracts, will have to contend with 3D and 12 minimum players and they definitely will have to pay the harsher luxury tax in two years, because in my eyes there is no way to get under the tax line when three players consume all your cap space.

5-7% is way to pessimistic i think. If you include missing (state) taxes in your math.Teams in Florida, Texas and Tennessee have 7-10% more "cap space" to build their teams. Mavs can give them a start of 15kk when the Nets have to pay about 17 for example. I don't see the Nets winning a title in the next two seasons also. No matter if the Mavs can win it in this time, Dirk becomes a FA and can play here for a much lesser amount. (Vetmin- 8kk$ i think). If we sign them for 15kk we don't have to renounce ebirds on Mahinmi or release Carter or Wright. Now u just have to convince Jet to play for the CRexeption and Delonte to stay another year on vetmin to get an ebird contract the next year. If you manage most things of this the team is build to compete way better than the Nets could even think of. (The only hole would be at SF)

My odds:
getting Deron: ~85%
getting Deron and Dwight: ~40% (really thinking about Dwight opt-in for his final year to receive another year of media attention)
Deron and Dwight to "Brooklyn Nets": ~ 15% (they are and always will be 2nd fiddle to the Knicks in media attention... just keep in mind that nets press conference when there were only questions about Linsanity. Owner was there about 5 times after buying the team and spoke to d-will only 2 times. Bad General Manager. Avery as Head Coach) Only way I can see them teaming up there would be if their sponsors force them into it with huge endorsement deals.

mavs777 · 03-05-2012, 04:18 PM

It's same foot that he injured earlier wonder if they tried to bring him back too early.

MavsFTR · 03-05-2012, 04:23 PM

@ESPNSteinLine: Don't think Lopez's two huge games last week really changed Orlando's thinking but now he's officially sidelined past March 15 trade buzzer. - Stein.

BGMaverick9 · 03-05-2012, 04:35 PM

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@ESPNSteinLine: Don't think Lopez's two huge games last week really changed Orlando's thinking but now he's officially sidelined past March 15 trade buzzer. - Stein.

I don't think the injury really changed the thought process, guys have been traded while injured before, I believe. It just might be that Orlando is looking to add people with Dwight, versus trading him away. As of right now, I'd say the odds are tremendously favorable of him staying for the rest of the season.

MavsFTR · 03-05-2012, 04:41 PM

Ken Berger

The Nets got a rare dose of positive injury news Monday when X-rays on center Brook Lopez's right ankle were negative. The key piece of a potential trade with Orlando for All-Star Dwight Howard will be in a walking boot for what the team described as a precaution and will miss three weeks.

Though that puts Lopez on the shelf until after the March 15 trade deadline, team officials privately were expecting worse. Lopez was injured Sunday night during Deron Williams' 57-point game in Charlotte and left the arena on crutches.

Lopez missed the Nets' first 32 games with a broken right foot, putting a damper on trade discussions between New Jersey and Orlando. The Magic have been telling teams over the past month that they intend to keep Howard beyond the trade deadline, but rival executives are dubious. Howard has not publicly or privately given any indication that he wants to stay with the Magic beyond this season, and Orlando could lose him as an unrestricted free agent without getting any assets in return under new collectively bargained guidelines governing sign-and-trades.

Howard's list of preferred destinations has not changed since the summer, and it includes the Nets, Mavericks and Lakers. New Jersey and Dallas will have the cap room to offer Howard a four-year, $81 million deal after Howard opts out July 1. If he stayed in Orlando, Howard would get an extra year and 7.5 percent annual raises -- as opposed to the four-year deal and 4.5 percent raises he'd get by leaving. Barring injury, the difference isn't as dramatic as it seems, since Howard, 26, would make most of it up on his next contract. He'd do even better in Texas, where there is no state income tax.

The Nets, who can offer Howard the allure of Williams' star power and their impending move to Brooklyn, continue to be the front runners for Howard if the Magic decide to trade him. Rival executives believe the Magic would be foolish to misread Howard's desire to change teams this summer, and the Nets have the roster and cap flexibility to provide Orlando with the assets they'd need to rebuild.

Meanwhile, sources say serious trade discussions league-wide are on hold while teams await a verdict from Orlando on Howard.

"That has to drop before anything else does," one rival executive said Monday.*

MavsFTR · 03-05-2012, 04:42 PM

I completely agree, BG.

j0Shi · 03-05-2012, 04:43 PM

I think people also underestimate the chances of both Deron and Dwight opting in next season. Let's say Orlando does get a guy like Monta Ellis. You can't expect them to gel right from the start in this shortened season, but that might be enough for Howard to stay for another year.

Same with Deron. Nets have cap space next season and could land big FA's.

For both players it doesn't really matter if they wait another year to play together.

mavs777 · 03-05-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

I think people also underestimate the chances of both Deron and Dwight opting in next season. Let's say Orlando does get a guy like Monta Ellis. You can't expect them to gel right from the start in this shortened season, but that might be enough for Howard to stay for another year.

Same with Deron. Nets have cap space next season and could land big FA's.

For both players it doesn't really matter if they wait another year to play together.

I think there is a good chance dwight opts in but at that point i think deron would go to dallas, i really think almost all the interest in NJ for deron is dwight.

some interesting things tweeted by https://twitter.com/#!/MokeHamilton

Como11 · 03-05-2012, 04:46 PM

Well before I read that article, I thought there was a great chance that we get both of them if March 15th comes and Dwight is still in Orlando.

Maybe I was too optimistic, but that article made me question if it will really happen.

Plus, after reading that article, it completely makes sense what Cuban is saying. Could we really compete with three AMAZING players and no bench?

Firnen · 03-05-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

I think people also underestimate the chances of both Deron and Dwight opting in next season. Let's say Orlando does get a guy like Monta Ellis. You can't expect them to gel right from the start in this shortened season, but that might be enough for Howard to stay for another year.

Same with Deron. Nets have cap space next season and could land big FA's.

For both players it doesn't really matter if they wait another year to play together.

I really can imagine D12 to opt in his last year to take part at the even bigger 2013 FA market and all the media attention that comes along with it. As for D-will: assuming that the Nets won't build their teams with short contracts again and will secure some helpful FA's and that the Mavs rehire their own FA's or spend their money on other guys in 2012 this offseason could be the only chance for d-will and D12 to pick a team they would like playing for together as well as the only chance for d-will to come home and join Dallas

BGMaverick9 · 03-05-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

I think people also underestimate the chances of both Deron and Dwight opting in next season. Let's say Orlando does get a guy like Monta Ellis. You can't expect them to gel right from the start in this shortened season, but that might be enough for Howard to stay for another year.

Same with Deron. Nets have cap space next season and could land big FA's.

For both players it doesn't really matter if they wait another year to play together.

NJ's focus can't be set on trying to lure someone in until they lock in Deron. All of their energy has to go towards that. No one they're openly going to want to go after is going to sign without knowing Deron is locked in, unless they just flat out don't care and just want to get paid.

I really don't see why GS would deal Ellis away for Orlando's junk. If that's the case, you've got Dwight and Ellis and that's about it.

j0Shi · 03-05-2012, 05:07 PM

Yeah... Nets situation is tricky. Not sure, but think Deron already stated that he won't opt in no matter what. So Nets would have to sign him first and then build around.

dude1394 · 03-05-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

I think people also underestimate the chances of both Deron and Dwight opting in next season. Let's say Orlando does get a guy like Monta Ellis. You can't expect them to gel right from the start in this shortened season, but that might be enough for Howard to stay for another year.

Same with Deron. Nets have cap space next season and could land big FA's.

For both players it doesn't really matter if they wait another year to play together.

If it happens it will have to happen because Dwight/deron want it to happen. So if it doesn't happen this year then IMO they are not that interested in playing together. Teams ( including the nets ) will move on. The nets are not going to sit on a bunch of cap space in their new arena, I don't see it. If Dwight doesn't move they will make something else happen.

jthig32 · 03-05-2012, 05:45 PM

I think there's a chance that Howard opts in. It's slim, but I think it's there.

I don't think there's any situation at all in which Deron would opt in to stay in NJ. I don't see that at all.

LonghornDub · 03-05-2012, 06:11 PM

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I think there's a chance that Howard opts in. It's slim, but I think it's there.

I don't think there's any situation at all in which Deron would opt in to stay in NJ. I don't see that at all.

I'm quite fine with Howard opting in. D-Will to Dallas would be very likely, and the chances of getting Howard wouldn't be totally shot, either. Plus, we'd have a chance to see how good the team is with Dirk+Deron and good filler.

Underdog · 03-05-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I think there's a chance that Howard opts in. It's slim, but I think it's there.

I don't think there's any situation at all in which Deron would opt in to stay in NJ. I don't see that at all.

Yep, Deron Williams never wanted to play for New Jersey in the first place and he hasn't said anything positive about the franchise since he got there - unless they sign Dwight Howard, I can't imagine any reason he'd stay...

sefant77 · 03-05-2012, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Huh? Cuban is basically saying the team has many options on how to spend the cap space, nobody said deron/dwight to dallas was a lock of any sort. I am sure Cuban has thought out pretty much every situation just like any owner/gm should do.

This.

With the new CBA you dont pay Butler 24/3 when you have Marion. You dont pay limited backup like Barea 19/4 (or like B.Bass). You dont pay a Chandler 15m a year. And of course he is downplaying the potential DDD

SeanL · 03-05-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Really, that's a shame..he's really talented.

oh such a shame...

mavs531 · 03-05-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

What else do you expect Cuban to say in the middle of the season? It's kinda hard to motivate guys to play for a ring if you're constantly talking about getting rid of them this summer...

I totally agree.

LonghornDub · 03-06-2012, 05:31 PM

Woj has a new article on Howard's status:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...gic_nba_030612