Trade deadline

[liqwidhalo]

Magic Sign Former Pacer Goga Bitadze, Sixers sign Dewayne Dedmon, Mavs FO still need to pick up another center , don't know why Mavs FO didn't pick up either of those two , hell, sign Meyers Leonard, he shot 39% from three for his career

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by liqwidhalo

The Mavs didn't have two 2nd round picks to give to San Antonio for Poetl

SA probably didn't want to trade him to a division rival with Kyrie and Luka on the team.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

SA probably didn't want to trade him to a division rival with Kyrie and Luka on the team.

Or they wanted the best deal offered. SA also got a 1st rounder in addition to the two 2nds.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

We could have had Poeltl

Mavs are #1 in points given up in the paint. Guess who is number two?

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by saclare

Mavs are #1 in points given up in the paint. Guess who is number two?

Mavs are 16th. What are you talking about?

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/misc...=OPP_PTS_PAINT

Spurs are worst but hard to put that on Poeltl. The whole team is just a poorly coached mess.

Poeltl 30pts, 9reb, 6blocks

[saclare]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Mavs are 16th. What are you talking about?

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/misc...=OPP_PTS_PAINT

Spurs are worst but hard to put that on Poeltl. The whole team is just a poorly coached mess.

Poeltl 30pts, 9reb, 6blocks

The source I grabbed that from had a qualifier I missed of the last 3 games LOL of course we were last...my bad, bad reading of stats.

It can be indicative for sure. Poeltl's first two games weren't as successful, and he's averaged over 5 fouls a game. They also appeared to be force feeding him as the Magic had no answer. All nitpicking, but part of my skepticism of giving up all of that for what Poeltl brings.

Of course he'd make us better, but do not think he solves the problem and that's what you'd expect when giving up so much.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by saclare

The source I grabbed that from had a qualifier I missed of the last 3 games LOL of course we were last...my bad, bad reading of stats.

It can be indicative for sure. Poeltl's first two games weren't as successful, and he's averaged over 5 fouls a game. They also appeared to be force feeding him as the Magic had no answer. All nitpicking, but part of my skepticism of giving up all of that for what Poeltl brings.

Of course he'd make us better, but do not think he solves the problem and that's what you'd expect when giving up so much.

I should share my source tbh. If you aren't following Grant Afseth on Twitter (@GrantAfseth), he is a really good Mavs insider that dives into plays and actual basketball while covering the team and reporting.

Below is what he posted:


Most Opponent Points In Paint Per Game (Last 3 Games):

1. Dallas Mavericks: 64.0
2. San Antonio Spurs: 63.3
3. Minnesota Timberwolves: 62.7
4. Charlotte Hornets: 62.0
5. Detroit Pistons: 59.3

So EL, going by your link, the Mavs would be by far the worst interior defense by almost double digits. Yuck...

[BPo001]

Kidd and Dudley have a history with Dwight Howard from their Laker days. Really wish they would kick the tires on him at this point. Is there anybody in the G league?

[BPo001]

Dallas tried trading Hardaway and Christian Wood at the trade deadline, but the league had limited interest in both players. This is the roster the Mavericks have, one that has depth issues at all three major positions: ballhandler, wing,and big man. ? via Tim Cato @ The Athletic

Wood?s situation is more complicated: He?s a dangerous scorer who often doesn?t cover enough space defensively to warrant the coaching staff?s trust. But the Mavericks remain in need of his minutes on this roster, even if Wood might not be thrilled with the limited bench role he?s been assigned and will almost certainly depart this summer. ? via Tim Cato @ The Athletic

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Dallas tried trading Hardaway and Christian Wood at the trade deadline, but the league had limited interest in both players. This is the roster the Mavericks have, one that has depth issues at all three major positions: ballhandler, wing,and big man. ? via Tim Cato @ The Athletic

Wood?s situation is more complicated: He?s a dangerous scorer who often doesn?t cover enough space defensively to warrant the coaching staff?s trust. But the Mavericks remain in need of his minutes on this roster, even if Wood might not be thrilled with the limited bench role he?s been assigned and will almost certainly depart this summer. ? via Tim Cato @ The Athletic

What a shit show.

Traded a FRP for him. No one wants him. Now he?s guaranteed to walk for nothing. Maybe we can be smart and SNT him or use the space for Kyrie and Kyrie can attract some decent talent, but it?s never a good locker room decision to have guys on the roster who don?t want to be here/you obviously don?t want. Last year we way overperformed our shit roster. Now we?re vastly underperforming a Slightly more talented roster.

Half of our issues this year seem to be that the immaculate vibes are gone. This is why.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Dallas tried trading Hardaway and Christian Wood at the trade deadline, but the league had limited interest in both players. This is the roster the Mavericks have, one that has depth issues at all three major positions: ballhandler, wing,and big man. ? via Tim Cato @ The Athletic

Wood?s situation is more complicated: He?s a dangerous scorer who often doesn?t cover enough space defensively to warrant the coaching staff?s trust. But the Mavericks remain in need of his minutes on this roster, even if Wood might not be thrilled with the limited bench role he?s been assigned and will almost certainly depart this summer. ? via Tim Cato @ The Athletic

this season has been so exhausting.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Then I'm starting Wood at least until Kleber gets back. Wood is our best shot blocker and best offensive center. Yes, he is lazy on defense at times and so is the rest of our roster. I'd rather just go all in on offense at this point. Can't watch another game of Powell doing diddly shit in the starting lineup.

It is so bizarre that with Luka out, Powell looked like an NBA player. Now he looks like the same ole, same ole again. It should be the total opposite.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Then I'm starting Wood at least until Kleber gets back. Wood is our best shot blocker and best offensive center. Yes, he is lazy on defense at times and so is the rest of our roster. I'd rather just go all in on offense at this point. Can't watch another game of Powell doing diddly shit in the starting lineup.

It is so bizarre that with Luka out, Powell looked like an NBA player. Now he looks like the same ole, same ole again. It should be the total opposite.

To me, the way they played without Luka and Kyrie, it screams that Luka has to be the one to alter his game. No doubt was he putting up historic stat lines, but it doesn't translate into long term success and definitely will not cut it in a playoff series.

I would also say Kidd has his work cut out for him. You can't simply keep running the same splits for Luka (full 1st quarter, etc.). I never got that notion other than beefing up 1st quarter stats as if anyone gives a flying shit. In the end, it's wins that matter. Have to figure out ways to let Luka and Kyrie run with this squad.

That takes Luka turning up the dial and introducing some pace. And Kidd figuring out that with two of the best in the league the Mavs can have at least one on the court at all times. That's going to take some rotation experiments and ego checks. But it can be done.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Actually, I think Luka's slower pace WILL be good for the playoffs, but we aren't getting there grinding it out like every regular season game is the playoffs. Players need to run and more involved on the offense where it isn't just Luka ball 90% of the game.

Those three games were a different team. Loose, passing, running, finishing, smiles.

A Mavs twitter fan posted a video last game where Luka steals the ball at the top of the key and runs back for a layup. The entire bench was just dead pan in reaction. That was really bizarre from a bench that generally jumps up and cheers for such things.

Gosh, I really don't want to overreact that it's all Luka, but you saw how Kyrie interacted with the young guys when Luka was out. It was magical the way he let Hardy bring the ball up the court etc.

I think it's a maturity thing. Luka is still pretty young and barely older than Josh Green. He needs to start by stop bitching at the refs all game. He'll be so much happier just letting that stuff go. Get back on D and help your team.

[SMC0007]

It's gonna take Luka a handful of games to adjust. He's elite IQ, he will sort it out quickly.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

It's gonna take Luka a handful of games to adjust. He's elite IQ, he will sort it out quickly.

Only adjustment i saw so far was he was playing faster (when the ball was in his hands).

Coaches have to start practicing sets in the post, coming off screen, and/or luka setting a pick for kyrie depending on matchups.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Only adjustment i saw so far was he was playing faster (when the ball was in his hands).

Coaches have to start practicing sets in the post, coming off screen, and/or luka setting a pick for kyrie depending on matchups.

Luka gets plenty of rebounds, he needs to move it up court quickly off those. Everyone needs to run for quick outlet passes.

Kyrie needs to be a little more aggressive off ball to get open and take more shots.

Luka needs to give thr ball up and post up more.

[tap2390]

IMO Luka needs to defer to Green and Kyrie post-rebound. Let them run and see if they can generate a good look. If not, reset and run the half-court with Luka as primary.

This means if Luka gets the rebound he should be looking to get the outlet pass out asap.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by tap2390

IMO Luka needs to defer to Green and Kyrie post-rebound. Let them run and see if they can generate a good look. If not, reset and run the half-court with Luka as primary.

This means if Luka gets the rebound he should be looking to get the outlet pass out asap.

Yes. In other words, exaclty what I said 2 hours prior.

[saclare]

Oh, for sure. I think you both make good points. One clarification, I didn't mean drastically alter Luka's game but more so he's going to have to alter how they had been playing before. That's a captain obvious statement, but one that has to be said and understood and like SMC said, will take a couple of weeks.

The best part is that both Luka and Kyrie are tops in bball IQ, as well. They know what they have to do and I have confidence it will work out. Same can be said of Kidd with respect to bball IQ, but he's got to figure the coaching side out.

One thing is for sure, this Mavs team can run with the best of them so I'd hope to see our pace have a relative increase to take advantage of that. Find the balance.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Yeah, long term I'm not really worried about Kyrie and Luka.

But we have to get a damn center this summer. Hell, if it costs us Hardy, then I'd consider it because of the red alert need for one.

We are not a serious team with Powell starting.

[EricaLubarsky]

Poeltl wanted Toronto.

Maybe we couldn?t have him

Rumor is we?ll get the expiring Noel after he gets his team option. McGee for him?

[BPo001]

Sources told The Post that multiple teams offered two firsts for Dorian Finney-Smith. ? via New York Post

Really??

[saclare]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Sources told The Post that multiple teams offered two firsts for Dorian Finney-Smith. ? via New York Post

Really??

Hmmmm cap.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Sources told The Post that multiple teams offered two firsts for Dorian Finney-Smith. ? via New York Post

Really??

If Kyrie bolts, then this will look bad. Two firsts for Dorian is a no-brainer.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

If Kyrie bolts, then this will look bad. Two firsts for Dorian is a no-brainer.

Yea, which is why it's highly doubtful. He's not worth that, arguably even one 1st.

[BPo001]

LeBron and his camp have been frustrated by how many minutes he has to play,? Cowherd said on The Herd. ?They can?t depend on Anthony Davis. They are also mad that Darvin Ham (Lakers coach) is not keeping the pressure on Anthony Davis ? I talked to an NBA source who I?ve known for a long tie, he said the Dallas Mavericks and Anthony Davis, keep your eye on it. ? via Fox Basketball @ FOXSports.com

[purplefrog]

Looks like Kevin Love will get a buyout. I anticipate there to be great interest around the league for his services. Mavs should get in on the "bidding" because at least he is still rebounding the basketball. You wouldn't be getting much defense, but it would be worth waiving Frank, Pinson, or Lawson (I doubt Cuban will let Pinson go..great locker room guy...Pinson and Powell are untouchable...Mavs will not trade them and no one wants them) to help with the rebounding. He would also give you another scoring threat when the rest of the team goes cold.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

Looks like Kevin Love will get a buyout. I anticipate there to be great interest around the league for his services. Mavs should get in on the "bidding" because at least he is still rebounding the basketball. You wouldn't be getting much defense, but it would be worth waiving Frank, Pinson, or Lawson (I doubt Cuban will let Pinson go..great locker room guy...Pinson and Powell are untouchable...Mavs will not trade them and no one wants them) to help with the rebounding. He would also give you another scoring threat when the rest of the team goes cold.

Theyve said he has a team already lined up in the eastern conference

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Theyve said he has a team already lined up in the eastern conference

Everything I?ve read has Miami as the front runners for Love.

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Everything I?ve read has Miami as the front runners for Love.

Rumors have been Miami is interested in:

Westbrook
Ibaka
Love

In the end, it will be up to Love as to where he wants to sign and I have not seen anything suggesting he has already made up his mind. That being said, I am not at all optimistic he would end up a Mav for the remainder of the season. He's a California boy, so I would not be surprised if he signs with the Lakers, Clippers, Kings, or Warriors (assuming they are interested in him).

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by BPo001

LeBron and his camp have been frustrated by how many minutes he has to play,? Cowherd said on The Herd. ?They can?t depend on Anthony Davis. They are also mad that Darvin Ham (Lakers coach) is not keeping the pressure on Anthony Davis ? I talked to an NBA source who I?ve known for a long tie, he said the Dallas Mavericks and Anthony Davis, keep your eye on it. ? via Fox Basketball @ FOXSports.com

God the media wants kyrie and lebron together so bad.

[saclare]

I unfortunately had Fish show up on my TL so I think the sourcing may be related to him. I don't hate it, but he just seemingly can't stay on the court.

Kevin Love seeking buyout. Would absolutely not help the defense but would provide rebounding and shooting. Don't think we can sell the PT he wants here, though. Powell should be an all-star alternate according to Kidd.

[BPo001]

League sources say that Detroit Pistons center Nerlens Noel has not actively pursued a buyout to this point but would generate interest from various playoff-bound teams should he be waived by the Pistons by 11:59 PM ET on March 1. The Pistons were widely expected to trade Noel before the Feb. 9 trade deadline. ? via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

League sources say that Detroit Pistons center Nerlens Noel has not actively pursued a buyout to this point but would generate interest from various playoff-bound teams should he be waived by the Pistons by 11:59 PM ET on March 1. The Pistons were widely expected to trade Noel before the Feb. 9 trade deadline. ? via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com

I just don't think Noel is much better than Javale. Not enough to warrant a center position that Kidd still can't figure out. We'd have Powell, Javale, Maxi, and Wood plus Noel. Plus Morris. Too crowded.

It's funny how we focus so much on Wood, and yet Javale has largely gotten the shaft. Yes, he is dumb as a rock and misses assignments, but he is our only true center. When his head is straight, then he is still usable.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I just don't think Noel is much better than Javale. Not enough to warrant a center position that Kidd still can't figure out. We'd have Powell, Javale, Maxi, and Wood plus Noel. Plus Morris. Too crowded.

It's funny how we focus so much on Wood, and yet Javale has largely gotten the shaft. Yes, he is dumb as a rock and misses assignments, but he is our only true center. When his head is straight, then he is still usable.

I was gonna comment you only listed one center and then you did it to yourself lol

[saclare]

Noel would be welcome as I don't see many other ways to improve our bigs situation. But I could also see Detroit exercising his team option and leveraging him in a trade as salary filler and an expiring.

[Dallas41]

I know it's still a lot of games left to play but man when you watch the Suns and Clippers tonight you can clearly see the amount of depth these two teams will have around their star players.

I'm not even sure how the hell the clippers managed to get all the talent they have on their roster.

I mean they got some backup players who could legitimately start in Dallas . Both teams are still solid defensively.

Mavs best chance of getting out the 1st round might be playing vs Sacramento because if they draw Phoenix or LA as of right now I'd say they are toast

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I know it's still a lot of games left to play but man when you watch the Suns and Clippers tonight you can clearly see the amount of depth these two teams will have around their star players.

I'm not even sure how the hell the clippers managed to get all the talent they have on their roster.

I mean they got some backup players who could legitimately start in Dallas . Both teams are still solid defensively.

Mavs best chance of getting out the 1st round might be playing vs Sacramento because if they draw Phoenix or LA as of right now I'd say they are toast

Bro the Clippers have a guy on their 3 deep who could threaten playing time here in RoCo.

I'm not as concerned with the Suns as I still don't think they will play enough defense in the playoffs to win it all. They're one injury away from being way worse than last season, especially if that is KD.

But alas, the Mavs have the same issue with defense. I think our depth should be fine as once you get to the playoffs. Come then, you better have a button tight rotation. Luka, Kyrie, Green, Maxi, THJ, Wood, Powell, Bullock, Holiday would be my choice as main rotation with VERY spot minutes to Hardy (unless he can take a step forward over these last 22 games), Bertans, and McGee (same caveat with Hardy). Basically, if fully healthy, there's no way a playoff team would give guys like McKinley, Pinson, Ntilikina, Lawson, etc. any decent number of minutes.

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by saclare

Bro the Clippers have a guy on their 3 deep who could threaten playing time here in RoCo.

I'm not as concerned with the Suns as I still don't think they will play enough defense in the playoffs to win it all. They're one injury away from being way worse than last season, especially if that is KD.

But alas, the Mavs have the same issue with defense. I think our depth should be fine as once you get to the playoffs. Come then, you better have a button tight rotation. Luka, Kyrie, Green, Maxi, THJ, Wood, Powell, Bullock, Holiday would be my choice as main rotation with VERY spot minutes to Hardy (unless he can take a step forward over these last 22 games), Bertans, and McGee (same caveat with Hardy). Basically, if fully healthy, there's no way a playoff team would give guys like McKinley, Pinson, Ntilikina, Lawson, etc. any decent number of minutes.

I agree, but with one caveat. If Maxi is not able to play significant minutes or if goes down again with an injury (reinjury), then their depth is very much depleted. This is why Kidd needs to play Morris and/or they should make a play for Love. I just don't feel like we can depend on Kleber to stay healthy.