2017 NBA Draft

[Bryan_Wilson]

Fox has a much bigger wingspan than I thought.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

It could be slightly redundant. But then again Dirk will be gone soon.

It depends on how you view Collins. I don't think he is quick enough to guard elite 4's in this league. He will be a center, and we would already have invested enough in one, assuming we resign Noel.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

It could be slightly redundant. But then again Dirk will be gone soon.

And Barnes is still here. With Noel. And then with Collins still this glaring hole at the guard positions. Blowing the pick on Collins or Markkanen would be stupid when there is still a similar talented guard available. And that should be the case at #9 or even #10

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sefant77

I expect the Heat to jump into the Top-3 because Riley sold his soul to the devil a long time ago

Pat Riley IS the Devil (thanks for giving me a reason to bust out this old 'shop)...

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by saclare

You do realize the NBA combine doesn't move the needle much on these prospects, especially the top 10, right? Hell, most of them don't even participate, if they end up attending at all. Mostly go for interviews/measurables and peace out.

You only get the fringe draftable players to even go through drills and participate in 5v5.

In other words, you're vastly overstating the importance of the NBA combine.

Kevin Durant calls NBA combine a waste of time for top prospects

"I remember it like it was yesterday," Durant said, as he adjusted his body to get comfortable in his seat. "All the strength coaches were laughing at me and s---. They were giggling with each other that I couldn't lift 185 pounds, and I was like, 'All right, keep laughing. Keep laughing.' It was a funny thing, because I was the only one that couldn't lift it and I was struggling to lift it. I was embarrassed at that point, but I'm like, 'Give me a basketball, please. Give me a ball.'"

@ScottHoward42: It's fun to have a few laughs about NBA Draft combine interviews but never forget the Suns didn't consider Kawhi because of interview sweat

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by saclare

Doubtful Isaac drops to us, and taking Collins would be very redundant, given their desire to keep Noel.

Collins is a PF. Like I've said the possibilities being a Love 2.0. Isaac is number 1 on my draft board over Markkanen too. But I'm a realist.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Fox has a much bigger wingspan than I thought.

Best PG in the draft IMO.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by saclare

It depends on how you view Collins. I don't think he is quick enough to guard elite 4's in this league. He will be a center, and we would already have invested enough in one, assuming we resign Noel.

He's a strong rebounding big on defense. And can challenge better than Dirk. His offense is based on pick and roll improvising. Better than Markkanen I think after what I saw when he played with the Zags.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by yahyes

He's a strong rebounding big on defense. And can challenge better than Dirk. His offense is based on pick and roll improvising. Better than Markkanen I think after what I saw when he played with the Zags.

Sounds like a skill set worth going all in on in the top 10 of the most talent stacked draft in a decade.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Decent article by Sefko

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dal...ting-prospects

When this event breaks up on Saturday, Nelson and a couple of other staffers will head to Europe to talk with French point guard Frank Ntilikina, among others. It will be the first of two trips to Europe the Mavericks' brass will make before the June draft.

[yahyes]

First of two trips to Europe? Who's the other euro player we meeet? Markkanen?

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by yahyes

First of two trips to Europe? Who's the other euro player we meeet? Markkanen?

I imagine he lives in the states since he went to college here.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by saclare

It depends on how you view Collins. I don't think he is quick enough to guard elite 4's in this league. He will be a center, and we would already have invested enough in one, assuming we resign Noel.

IF there are/were any elite PFs in this league, we have never had anyone quick enough to guard them.

That said, I'm not sure how to view Collins. He looks like a PF to me but that line seems more and more blurry nowdays.

I'm not sold on Barnes at PF either.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by sefant77

And Barnes is still here. With Noel. And then with Collins still this glaring hole at the guard positions. Blowing the pick on Collins or Markkanen would be stupid when there is still a similar talented guard available. And that should be the case at #9 or even #10

Barnes at PF is not a done deal. I tend to agree that we need a guard but I don't think it's a blown pick if we get someone they view as a great talent to fill Dirks massive void next year... or possibly this year.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

You guys are talking about Zach Collins right? Just making sure since John Collins is projected as a mid first round as pick as well.

[yahyes]

I bet Collins could flourish more through the Mavs pick and roll system. While being mentored by Dirk.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by yahyes

I bet Collins could flourish more through the Mavs pick and roll system. While being mentored by Dirk.

Problem is that we don't really have any guards who flourish in the pick and roll other than Barea... Both Yogi and Seth have a lot of work to do. That's why Smith or Frank would be huge for us.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Problem is that we don't really have any guards who flourish in the pick and roll other than Barea... Both Yogi and Seth have a lot of work to do. That's why Smith or Frank would be huge for us.

I have big hopes for Seth to play good his contract season. Until the Mavs unload on Devin or JJ I'm not fully convinced yet it will be a PG. Since the team has a stock full right now.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Ask AD what it's like to have shitty guard play. And Collins is not AD. It's not apples to apples but it's hard to win in the NBA when the guy who has the ball in his hands most isn't at least great.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

You guys are talking about Zach Collins right? Just making sure since John Collins is projected as a mid first round as pick as well.

Yes, Zach Collins.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by yahyes

I have big hopes for Seth to play good his contract season. Until the Mavs unload on Devin or JJ I'm not fully convinced yet it will be a PG. Since the team has a stock full right now.

When you are in rebuilding mode with a youth movement, Devin and JJ have the least impact on who you're picking. You don't just reach for a Markannen or Collins when DSJ and Frank are there as better fits, not to mention better prospects with higher ceilings.

Seth and Farrell also do not preclude you from drafting a PG if said PG is who you hope can man the position for the next 5-10 years+

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by yahyes

I have big hopes for Seth to play good his contract season. Until the Mavs unload on Devin or JJ I'm not fully convinced yet it will be a PG. Since the team has a stock full right now.

Man, I don't like the idea of letting Devin go, even if we draft pg. Unless he's going somewhere to get paid up, then good for him. He's solid and hustles always and thats a great model for young guys.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Man, I don't like the idea of letting Devin go, even if we draft pg. Unless he's going somewhere to get paid up, then good for him. He's solid and hustles always and thats a great model for young guys.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Man, I don't like the idea of letting Devin go, even if we draft pg. Unless he's going somewhere to get paid up, then good for him. He's solid and hustles always and thats a great model for young guys.

JJ and Yogie hustle just the same. Except they have more to bring on the floor offensively at this point. JJ is a better shooter off the perimeter than Devin. JJ can draw pick and rolls better. He was meshing with Noel. Which brings the great role model element.. So to add space it's best Mavs move Devin to the sixers or some east team trying to get into playoffs.

[yahyes]

Watching the Combine on espn2. There's a talent mock draft they showed has us drafting Markkanen at 9. And Frank got drafted 8 by the kings. That's whats up. I'll take it! Also Justin Jackson's mock is climbing for real.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by yahyes

Watching the Combine on espn2. There's a talent mock draft they showed has us drafting Markkanen at 9. And Frank got drafted 8 by the kings. That's whats up. I'll take it! Also Justin Jackson's mock is climbing for real.

If we drafted Markannen you may legitimately be the only one happy about it on DM.com

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If we drafted Markannen you may legitimately be the only one happy about it on DM.com

It's the talent draft predictions so lighten up on me, eh. Plus yes I would be happy if we drafted a PG OR PF. Leave the Dallas Mavericks fan alone, bro.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by yahyes

Watching the Combine on espn2. There's a talent mock draft they showed has us drafting Markkanen at 9. And Frank got drafted 8 by the kings. That's whats up. I'll take it! Also Justin Jackson's mock is climbing for real.

That means Monk or Isaac or another top 8 talent will be available. I'd bet the Mavs taking any of that pool over Lauri.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

That means Monk or Isaac or another top 8 talent will be available. I'd bet the Mavs taking any of that pool over Lauri.

Jackson went up to 12 close to Collins. Which makes sense.I missed the top 7 talent prediction they had. But Monk is going to be gone right after Fox is I bet for sure. Which has Fox at around 3? Oh and pelicans draft dennis smith at 10. Good.. let him go there to deal with whiny Cousins.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by yahyes

Jackson went up to 12 close to Collins. Which makes sense.I missed the top 7 talent prediction they had. But Monk is going to be gone right after Fox is I bet for sure. Which has Fox at around 3? Oh and pelicans draft dennis smith at 10. Good.. let him go there to deal with whiny Cousins.

I'd rather he come here and deal with our guys. If we pass on DSJ for Maarkanen I might quit watching Mavs basketball when Dirk retires.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I'd rather he come here and deal with our guys. If we pass on DSJ for Maarkanen I might quit watching Mavs basketball when Dirk retires.

Hot!
Sports!
Take!

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by yahyes

Hot!
Sports!
Take!

I'm not sure if you're using "hot take" appropriately here -- a majority of Mavs fans share BPo001's opinion... Spend a little time on Twitter and you'll see what I mean.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I'd rather he come here and deal with our guys. If we pass on DSJ for Maarkanen I might quit watching Mavs basketball when Dirk retires.

I will say that stranger things have happened. Mavs like to surprise when you just wish they'd play it safe.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Decent article by Sefko

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dal...ting-prospects

I still think there's a good chance that DSJ is gone by the time our pick rolls around, so I'm happy to hear the Mavs have a strong interest in Frank.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I'm not sure if you're using "hot take" appropriately here -- a majority of Mavs fans share BPo001's opinion... Spend a little time on Twitter and you'll see what I mean.

He's trying to say the Mavs are over for who knows how long... which leaves him to not jump back on the wagon. You set me up to the most valuable point. Which is weeding out the bandwagon. So that had to be an HSO. A solid one.

[yahyes]

Anyone think Holger went with Donnie to this trip to scout Frank?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by yahyes

He's trying to say the Mavs are over for who knows how long... which leaves him to not jump back on the wagon. You set me up to the most valuable point. Which is weeding out the bandwagon. So that had to be an HSO. A solid one.

BPo001 has been a member of this forum since 2008 -- he's hardly a "bandwagon" fan... Don't pretend like your ridiculously homeristic opinion of this team makes you more of a fan than anyone else here -- it makes you look like an asshole.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by Underdog

BPo001 has been a member of this forum since 2008 -- he's hardly a "bandwagon" fan... Don't pretend like your ridiculously homeristic opinion of this team makes you more of a fan than anyone else here -- it makes you look like an asshole.

What's wrong with the bandwagon? I think it's time for the organic wagons though... That means you'll stop being a Mavs fan within 2 years too, sport? And what's up with the name calls. Be a star.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by yahyes

Anyone think Holger went with Donnie to this trip to scout Frank?

Not sure why he would -- Donnie is mostly flying out to Europe to feel out Frank's mindset and attitude, not to assess his talent... Holger is a shot doctor, not a scout.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by yahyes

What's wrong with the bandwagon? I think it's time for the organic wagons though... That means you'll stop being a Mavs fan within 2 years too, sport? And what's up with the name calls. Be a star.