07-14-2014, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Underdog
@BallinWithBryan: Cuban said the other day that he knows what he would do in Houston’s shoes but wouldn't answer. Today? “I would have matched."
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Wow. Listened to that interview and figured his answer would have been the total opposite, guess I don't know Mark.
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07-14-2014, 09:54 PM
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@BallinWithBryan: Cuban said the other day that he knows what he would do in Houston’s shoes but wouldn't answer. Today? “I would have matched."
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Talk about rubbing it in and being salesy. No need to say something like that except to needle Morey ha.
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07-14-2014, 10:29 PM
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07-14-2014, 10:32 PM
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Are we all sure bosh is a better player than parsons? Because I'm not
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07-14-2014, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Five-ofan
Are we all sure bosh is a better player than parsons? Because I'm not
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That's what no one seems to be discussing! I mean, the playoff experience and two titles matter experience-wise, but I'm not really sold with anything else. Be interesting to see how he does without Lebron around.
Parsons was quite honest about his displeasure with Houston and rightfully so. The Mavs run things far differently than Houston.
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07-14-2014, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
That's what no one seems to be discussing! I mean, the playoff experience and two titles matter experience-wise, but I'm not really sold with anything else. Be interesting to see how he does without Lebron around.
Parsons was quite honest about his displeasure with Houston and rightfully so. The Mavs run things far differently than Houston.
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After talking to multiple people on subjects non-Parsons related, this has to be true. Seems like there's a lot that goes on that no one really knows and it's solid. Hopefully can talk more about it later this week.
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07-14-2014, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Five-ofan
Are we all sure bosh is a better player than parsons? Because I'm not
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I am; at least right now. But: 1) I'm pretty used to thinking better of Bosh than most around here do, and 2) I'd love for CP to prove me wrong, because if you told me that Dallas just followed up the TC trade by signing a Bosh-caliber SF, I'd respond by saying that I expect them to be very serious contenders next year.
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07-14-2014, 11:09 PM
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Full text of Spears's Parsons article:
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New Maverick Chandler Parsons takes offense to how Rockets treated him during free agency
Marc J. Spears By Marc J. Spears
1 hour ago
Yahoo Sports
LAS VEGAS – Chandler Parsons was "offended" when the Houston Rockets went searching in free agency for a third star in LeBron James, Chris Bosh or Carmelo Anthony instead of sticking with him. Now the former Rockets forward is ecstatic to be a third star with the Dallas Mavericks, and a lot richer, too.
"Honestly, I was offended by the whole process," Parsons told Yahoo Sports on Monday in a phone interview. "They publicly said that they were going out looking for a third star when I thought they had one right in front of them. I guess that's just how they viewed me as a player. I don't think I've scratched the surface of where I can be as a player and I think I'm ready for that role.
"You can't knock them for always trying to get better. [Houston general manager] Daryl Morey is very aggressive, is a genius, a great GM and I have nothing but respect for those guys. And they are looking to make their team better. That's what they were doing. I just thought I could be that guy that could do that."
Parsons averaged 16.6 points, 5.5 rebounds and four assists with the Rockets last season as the third scorer behind James Harden and Dwight Howard. Quietly, Parsons was hoping for a bigger role offensively. The Rockets gave Parsons an opportunity to explore free agency as a restricted free agent by opting out of the final year of his deal that would've paid him $964,750.
The Rockets went after marquee players like James, Anthony, and Bosh when free agency began. While the Mavericks were interested in Anthony, too, they quickly convinced Parsons to agree to a three-year, $46 million offer sheet with a third-year player option and a 15 percent trade kicker, a source said. Parsons signed the offer sheet on the first day free agents were able to on July 10 in his hometown of Orlando with Mavericks owner Mark Cuban by his side.
"They really showed how much they cared for me," Parsons said. "They didn't want me to wait for Bosh. They didn't want me to wait for 'Melo. They came forward first."
While the Rockets had the option to match, Cuban was confident in the Mavs' maneuver.
"We knew based on the numbers they were going to have to make some tough choices," Cuban said before the Mavericks' summer league game on Monday.
James left the Miami Heat to return to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Anthony and Bosh stayed with the Knicks and Heat respectively. The Rockets, through a sign-and-trade deal, agreed to terms with free-agent small forward Trevor Ariza for three years and $32 million. And on Sunday, the Rockets decided that Parsons' contract was too expensive and didn't match.
"Throughout the whole process they pretty much told me they were going to match everything," Parsons said. "I understand it's a business. I understand they had to do what they thought was best for their organization. It definitely caught me off-guard a little bit."
Parsons said he is close with Cuban, loves Dallas and added that he believes he can compete with a championship in Dallas with Dirk Nowitzki and Monta Ellis.
"Dallas is the perfect match to where I am in my career," Parsons said. "It's where I can take that next step. They have a great organization. Mark is the best owner in all of sports. I get a chance to play with Dirk for however much longer he has. It will be unbelievable to learn and grown from him and the guys they have.
"We got a chance to win. Coach [Rick] Carlisle is the best coach in the NBA. It's the perfect situation for me. I'm ready for more leadership. I'm ready for a bigger role. They came at me with a high max offer and viewed me as a franchise player. That's what I wanted."
Parsons played a strong role in convincing Howard to sign as a free agent with the Rockets last summer. They could be free agents in 2016. And if things go well in Dallas, don't be surprised if Parsons tries to convince Howard to join him.
"I'm the best recruiter in the NBA," Parsons said. "Whatever Mark and the Mavericks need, they got me to do that."
He was viewed as one of the NBA's most underpaid players, but under his new deal he will earn a raise of over $14 million next season. Parsons is scheduled to be in Dallas on Tuesday to take a physical and sign paperwork.
Despite feeling slighted by the Rockets, Parsons said he has "nothing but respect" for his former club after playing his first three NBA seasons in Houston. He also said he will remain close with his ex-teammates, Houston coach Kevin McHale and assistant coach J.B. Bickerstaff.
"They gave me my first opportunity,” Parsons said. "They believed in me. They drafted me. I have nothing but love and respect for them. They will have a special place in my heart. The fans were unbelievable and I hope they have no hard feelings. I had to do what is best for my career. "
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07-14-2014, 11:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog
@BallinWithBryan: Cuban said the other day that he knows what he would do in Houston’s shoes but wouldn't answer. Today? “I would have matched."
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What is he going to say, I wouldn't have matched?
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07-14-2014, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one
What is he going to say, I wouldn't have matched?
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Yeah really. That would send the wrong message to the guy you just acquired.
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07-15-2014, 12:32 AM
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After reading that article, I feel like we made the right choice. If he truly hasn't scratched the surface then we gave him the right amount of money. We attracted the "right" free agent. Why try to get people that don't want to be here?
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07-15-2014, 07:30 AM
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Everyday I get more excited about Parsons.
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07-15-2014, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Five-ofan
Are we all sure bosh is a better player than parsons? Because I'm not
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I think there's a pretty good chance that Bosh is a better player at this point. It's just a little difficult to tell because Parsons is a player on the rise who's stats might have suffered because of the team around him..and Bosh is an established player that willing took a back seat to play in Miami. Bosh averaged 24 and 11 his last year in Toronoto. His numbers might not make it all the way back this year in Miami, but I can see them getting pretty close to that...
But, Parsons' arrow is pointed up. He could very well be the better player before long.
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07-15-2014, 08:38 AM
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Are we all sure bosh is a better player than parsons? Because I'm not
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Yes. I certainly am. Bosh is so underrated right now. He went to Miami and developed into a very good defender and improved his range out to the three point line.
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07-15-2014, 09:10 AM
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So Parsons took a picture of him photoshopped into the Mavs jersey as Twitter-Avatar? Epic
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07-15-2014, 09:11 AM
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"I'm the best recruiter in the NBA," Parsons said. "Whatever Mark and the Mavericks need, they got me to do that."
I wonder how many relationships has been formed in the 3 years he has been in the league, at any rate hopefully its easier to recruit.
Nothing better than a YOUNG and talented player recruiting ...its hard to convince free agents to come to a team, whose best player is over the age of 35.
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07-15-2014, 10:16 AM
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"If you've ever made it to the second round of the playoffs, you can stay. Everyone else, leave now." *95% of room disperses*. Haha pretty funny stuff. "Plus we have Kevin McHale leading this sorry roster I made. I'd rather have GORDON BOMBAY coaching. He might coach hockey in a movie, but he's still better." I got a pretty good laugh out of that.
PS- I miss the Mighty Ducks...
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07-15-2014, 10:30 AM
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This article is largely focused on Houston's reaction to this past week and how they pick up the pieces, but there's something interesting in here about Parsons:
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The loss of the 25-year-old forward deprives Houston not only of a versatile secondary playmaker, but also a valuable voice in a locker room that wasn’t always on the same page a year ago. Parsons is a uniter, a player with a gift for bringing different groups together and making everyone he comes in contact with feel valued. His loss in that respect is by no means catastrophic, but it does place even more responsibility on the shoulders of Howard and Harden to grow, mature and prove that they are capable of creating a culture that is all about winning – and not just about winning their way and on their terms.
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07-15-2014, 10:45 AM
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"I'm the best recruiter in the NBA," said Parsons, who last year helped lure Dwight Howard to Houston. "Whatever Mark and the Mavericks need, they got me to do that."*
gotta like that
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07-15-2014, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by jthig32
This article is largely focused on Houston's reaction to this past week and how they pick up the pieces, but there's something interesting in here about Parsons:
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Not only did get a young and talented player, we also got a locker room presence, and team leader.
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07-15-2014, 11:05 AM
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I wonder how many relationships has been formed in the 3 years he has been in the league, at any rate hopefully its easier to recruit.
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Well, he recruited Dwight (diva) and is buddies with Dirk (laid-back), so it seems like he's friendly with all types. That's exciting because he's about to play for Team USA, which should give him an opportunity to get cozy-up to even more of the premier players in this league... Didn't LeBron/Wade/Bosh become friends through their experience at the All-Star game and/or Team USA? Yeah, Parsons can be that kind of a recruiter - something that Dirk never was.
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07-15-2014, 11:19 AM
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07-15-2014, 11:19 AM
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07-15-2014, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Underdog
Well, he recruited Dwight (diva) and is buddies with Dirk (laid-back), so it seems like he's friendly with all types. That's exciting because he's about to play for Team USA, which should give him an opportunity to get cozy-up to even more of the premier players in this league... Didn't LeBron/Wade/Bosh become friends through their experience at the All-Star game and/or Team USA? Yeah, Parsons can be that kind of a recruiter - something that Dirk never was.
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I believe it was the 2010 USA National team IIRC.
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07-15-2014, 02:16 PM
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Went back through this thread last night, and let me just say it was disappointing to see GB's string of unabashed Rockettes homerism end with such a whimper:
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Have fun with Parsons.
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07-15-2014, 02:17 PM
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I hated it when the zombies ate you and all anyone could talk about was that dumb bitch Laurie dying in childbirth. You were the best T-dog!
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This is pretty great
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07-15-2014, 03:11 PM
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Yes. I certainly am. Bosh is so underrated right now. He went to Miami and developed into a very good defender and improved his range out to the three point line.
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While he has range to the 3pt line, hes not good from the 3 pt line. He's shot 3s at a 31.5% clip during his time in miami and only shot 33.9% from out there last year while making 71 so it's not like he overwhelmed in either quantity of quality of 3pt looks. While his pedestrian stats are always attributed to playing with ball dominant stars it's important to remember that that really has no hearing in comparing him to parsons who has also played with Dwight and harden.
Also for his defense, he's got tools that allow him to be about as good at defending the pick and roll as anyone in the nba, but he can't guard anyone in the post anymore and that's a hue weakness for a pf. His post d is about as bad as brandan wrights. Given that and the fact that I don't think the take over a game offense is still there and I don't think it's remotely a give that bosh is still better.
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07-15-2014, 04:17 PM
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I lost it at the "those who made the second round stay, everybody else out" and the "i'd rather have Gordon Bombay coaching" parts. The Mighty Ducks was one of my favorite movie during my childhood. Awesome find, thanks.
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07-15-2014, 04:58 PM
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These days being a fan is a competition to see who can be the most upset when
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07-15-2014, 05:54 PM
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Parsons was one of my favorite players on the Rockets. He will be good for 18-5-4, or so for the Mavs. But the dude talks waaaaay too much. His confidence has turned to supreme cockiness. My last memory of Parsons is him saying he is the best at something else....the best SF in the series....were hos exact quotes. This was followed by Batum laughing and taking a shit on him the entire series. Followed closely by Lillard hitting the series ending 3 in his face. He needs to settle down. He isn't a star, but a role player. Maybe even a super role player, but not a star. If he can post the numbers I posted on close to the same percentage as in Houston, he would have lived up to the contract for the Mavs.
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07-15-2014, 06:03 PM
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Parsons was one of my favorite players on the Rockets. He will be good for 18-5-4, or so for the Mavs. But the dude talks waaaaay too much. His confidence has turned to supreme cockiness. My last memory of Parsons is him saying he is the best at something else....the best SF in the series....were hos exact quotes. This was followed by Batum laughing and taking a shit on him the entire series. Followed closely by Lillard hitting the series ending 3 in his face. He needs to settle down. He isn't a star, but a role player. Maybe even a super role player, but not a star. If he can post the numbers I posted on close to the same percentage as in Houston, he would have lived up to the contract for the Mavs.
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We went thru the same type of things with JET who was typically the most "confident" player ever born....it's a tough thing to deal with until it pays of the way it did in the biggest moments in the best way possible in the finals. I don't care for players who talk ALOT as you mention but if you're gonna do it, you have to own it and always do it and continue to work hard and back it up.
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07-15-2014, 06:08 PM
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Funny...from lakers board..
Ariza:
09' Contract year - played well for the Lakers - got 30+ million from Houston
10' Dissapointing season
11' Dissapointing season
12' Dissapointing season
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07-15-2014, 06:08 PM
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I'd prefer an overly confident player versus a mental midget. It could be argued that Parsons never becomes the player he is without such confidence.
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07-15-2014, 06:15 PM
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I'd prefer an overly confident player versus a mental midget. It could be argued that Parsons never becomes the player he is without such confidence.
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you have 2 options be confident which is now called "cocky" or be non-confident and be what exactly? a generic guy?
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07-15-2014, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dude1394
Funny...from lakers board..
Ariza:
09' Contract year - played well for the Lakers - got 30+ million from Houston
10' Dissapointing season
11' Dissapointing season
12' Dissapointing season
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14' Contract year - played well for the Wizards - got 30+ million from Houston
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This is something that does worry me about Ariza. He seems to only play to his to his best during contract years, though he has shot better from 3 each season. One thing about him though, you can count on him during the playoffs.
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I'd prefer an overly confident player versus a mental midget. It could be argued that Parsons never becomes the player he is without such confidence.
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I see what you're saying, but I preferred the Parsons from his first two years where he was humble. After the Dwight summer, he got cocky and went all Hollywood. He had some questionable comments all throughout the season, but he still came to play pretty much every game.
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07-15-2014, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack
Parsons was one of my favorite players on the Rockets. He will be good for 18-5-4, or so for the Mavs. But the dude talks waaaaay too much. His confidence has turned to supreme cockiness. My last memory of Parsons is him saying he is the best at something else....the best SF in the series....were hos exact quotes. This was followed by Batum laughing and taking a shit on him the entire series. Followed closely by Lillard hitting the series ending 3 in his face. He needs to settle down. He isn't a star, but a role player. Maybe even a super role player, but not a star. If he can post the numbers I posted on close to the same percentage as in Houston, he would have lived up to the contract for the Mavs.
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I think this is fairly accurate. He may have the potential to be a "superstar" but right now he probably isn't the guy who is going to carry your offense on his back. I think of him very similarly to Gordan Hayward. We saw how that worked out for him in Utah. I do think that depending on how he develops and the training goes with Dirk in these next few off seasons, he could realistically become a 20/5/5 guy with continued progress efficiency wise. All of this is contingent on him actually developing with Dirk and us having another person to carry the load at times. This would help make Chandler Parsons the best version of himself imo.
On the topic of his cockiness, I think you have to take your own perception with a grain of salt. You were just on the receiving end of a very bitter and somewhat misleading divorce. It's always difficult to keep things in the proper context when you are closely tied emotionally to a subject. I've watched a dozen interviews of him in the last week and I have to say he comes off sure of himself. Is this cockiness or just a proper amount of confidence? Time will have to tell. Either way I think its premature to start concluding that he is a "cocky" guy who is fully of himself. The interviews are not even close to that bad.
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This is something that does worry me about Ariza. He seems to only play to his to his best during contract years, though he has shot better from 3 each season. One thing about him though, you can count on him during the playoffs.
I see what you're saying, but I preferred the Parsons from his first two years where he was humble. After the Dwight summer, he got cocky and went all Hollywood. He had some questionable comments all throughout the season, but he still came to play pretty much every game.
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The thing to worry most about Ariza isn't the "contract" year issue, but rather how he will fit in your offense without a true PG. Harden does drive well to the rack, but I could see some meshing issues with your current offense imo. Maybe I am wrong? Either way I think Ariza got a fair contract from Houston. Will he be worth 8 million? I would say most probably yes. His defense is borderline elite. His shot is the only question mark.
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07-15-2014, 06:33 PM
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He's schedule to comment to the media via conference call tonight. A full quote board will come tomorrow.
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07-15-2014, 06:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BGMaverick9
He's schedule to comment to the media via conference call tonight. A full quote board will come tomorrow.
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Are these conference calls new this year? I don't remember them in years past.
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