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DevinHarriswillstart · 05-15-2017, 08:10 PM

Jackson is nearly identical to Josh Smith. They're players that will get by for a few years because of athleticism, defense, and rebounding, but the lack of shooting will kill them in the end.

Bryan_Wilson · 05-15-2017, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I share the concern in that regard but I think Roberson is an unfair comparison.

Yeah I didn't mean to draw a direct comparison to Roberson I only brought up Roberson because of his atrocious 2/21 ft shooting in the playoff series as a wing or whatever the number was. I'm not saying he's that bad and he's much better as an overall player than Roberson. But I'm fearful of a wing who can't shoot ft's. Roberson shot like 50% on the year so Jackson isn't a whole lot better right now. I just don't like hoping that a wing player who will likely have the ball in his hands a good amount improves his ft shooting to just be respectable 70+.

rimrocker · 05-15-2017, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Yeah I didn't mean to draw a direct comparison to Roberson I only brought up Roberson because of his atrocious 2/21 ft shooting in the playoff series as a wing or whatever the number was. I'm not saying he's that bad and he's much better as an overall player than Roberson. But I'm fearful of a wing who can't shoot ft's. Roberson shot like 50% on the year so Jackson isn't a whole lot better right now. I just don't like hoping that a wing player who will likely have the ball in his hands a good amount improves his ft shooting to just be respectable 70+.

Yeah, a guy with his size, ball handling skills and ability to get to the basket will definitely have to become a good FT shooter.

rimrocker · 05-15-2017, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Jackson is nearly identical to Josh Smith. They're players that will get by for a few years because of athleticism, defense, and rebounding, but the lack of shooting will kill them in the end.

Jackson is 10 times the ball handler of Smith and actually has a BBIQ and leadership skills. I don't see him becoming another Smith.
Probably going out on a limb here but I think Jackson's ceiling will be closer to Kobe than Josh Smith.
I personally predict somewhere around a Paul George with a floor of Jeff Green.

EricaLubarsky · 05-15-2017, 09:14 PM

Smith has Marion potential which excites me.

Then again, were a team playing 39-year-old Dirk and starting Yogi "10-day-contract" Ferrell.

Not sure if we can pass on a potential John Wall or Chris Paul if given the option

BPo001 · 05-15-2017, 09:26 PM

While I would prefer DSJ over Ball I don't think Cuban feels the same way. Can you imagine Cuban and Lavar Ball having to discuss business together?

Bryan_Wilson · 05-15-2017, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

While I would prefer DSJ over Ball I don't think Cuban feels the same way. Can you imagine Cuban and Lavar Ball having to discuss business together?

Oh God you make a valid point... Mavs will draft Lonzo and will advertise BBB on their jerseys starting next year. Book it.

hayth.james.g · 05-15-2017, 10:23 PM

Personally I think the Celtics making it to the Eastern Conference Finals impacts their decision here. Before I thought there was a chance they might consider Fultz. Now I think Isiah Thomas has their full backing moving forward. They trade back IMO.

Would you trade our 1st pick (assume 9) and a future 1st for the 1st pick? Is Fultz worth it to you? I say yes. Then again I think our best case scenario has either DSJ or Monk falling to us. Seems highly unlikely.

Underdog · 05-15-2017, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Personally I think the Celtics making it to the Eastern Conference Finals impacts their decision here. Before I thought there was a chance they might consider Fultz. Now I think Isiah Thomas has their full backing moving forward. They trade back IMO.

Agreed.. But they could still draft Jackson.

Also, it's "Isaiah" Thomas -- his mom knew how to spell the name correctly, unlike the Piston's PG (sorry, just picking nits...)

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Would you trade our 1st pick (assume 9) and a future 1st for the 1st pick? Is Fultz worth it to you? I say yes.

Absolutely! But I don't think Boston does that trade with us because #9 is pretty far down, plus a future 1st-rounder isn't gonna be worth much if the Mavs get Fultz.

EricaLubarsky · 05-15-2017, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Personally I think the Celtics making it to the Eastern Conference Finals impacts their decision here. Before I thought there was a chance they might consider Fultz. Now I think Isiah Thomas has their full backing moving forward. They trade back IMO.

Would you trade our 1st pick (assume 9) and a future 1st for the 1st pick? Is Fultz worth it to you? I say yes. Then again I think our best case scenario has either DSJ or Monk falling to us. Seems highly unlikely.

Isaiah is definitely back but I don't think that means they trade the pick. Only a team as dumb as the Mavs would trade promising future talent for vets.

They draft Jackson for sure and don't look back. Dude will average 12ppg for them next year.

Underdog · 05-16-2017, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

They draft Jackson for sure and don't look back. Dude will average 12ppg for them next year.

Is that a typo?? Yogi averaged 11.3 for us in his rookie year -- Jackson would definitely top that by a large margin, especially if he ends up on the Celtics.

SMC0007 · 05-16-2017, 08:19 AM

Still can't see Boston taking a pg here. Thats a sure fire way to get your start player butt hurt and rock the boat when they are sitting in the cat bird seat right now.

MavzMan · 05-16-2017, 08:32 AM

So what would it take for the Mavs to trade for that #1 pick from a Celtics perspective? I'm not saying the Mavs should do it, but rather from a Celtics fan perspective.

This year #1 + next year #1 + ???

The have zero need for any of our PG/SG people. Dirk is pointless to them pretty much. HB and Noel is a no-go let's say since they are our future. That leaves Wes, Powell, Mejri, Hammons, Brussino, and DFS. The only thing I could see them remotely interested in is another big like Mejri. So is the above +Mejri enough? I don't think so. Do you throw in next, next year's #1??? Ouch.

hayth.james.g · 05-16-2017, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

So what would it take for the Mavs to trade for that #1 pick from a Celtics perspective? I'm not saying the Mavs should do it, but rather from a Celtics fan perspective.

This year #1 + next year #1 + ???

The have zero need for any of our PG/SG people. Dirk is pointless to them pretty much. HB and Noel is a no-go let's say since they are our future. That leaves Wes, Powell, Mejri, Hammons, Brussino, and DFS. The only thing I could see them remotely interested in is another big like Mejri. So is the above +Mejri enough? I don't think so. Do you throw in next, next year's #1??? Ouch.

I feel like with 5 PGs going in the top 9, and there being very little drop off in talent from 2-10, that 9 + next year 1st would do it. Maybe in a normal draft they wouldn't, but this is a unique year.

BPo001 · 05-16-2017, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

So what would it take for the Mavs to trade for that #1 pick from a Celtics perspective? I'm not saying the Mavs should do it, but rather from a Celtics fan perspective.

This year #1 + next year #1 + ???

The have zero need for any of our PG/SG people. Dirk is pointless to them pretty much. HB and Noel is a no-go let's say since they are our future. That leaves Wes, Powell, Mejri, Hammons, Brussino, and DFS. The only thing I could see them remotely interested in is another big like Mejri. So is the above +Mejri enough? I don't think so. Do you throw in next, next year's #1??? Ouch.

I thought you couldn't trade 1st round picks from consecutive drafts? I could be wrong. Either way I don't think we have the ammo to trade for the top pick. The NBA owes us for burning us 4 straight years in the early 90's anyways.

sefant77 · 05-16-2017, 09:46 AM

Ball falling because of teams avoiding the Lavar Bullshit and then the Kings pick him...that would be epic

EricaLubarsky · 05-16-2017, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Is that a typo?? Yogi averaged 11.3 for us in his rookie year -- Jackson would definitely top that by a large margin, especially if he ends up on the Celtics.

No, that was my prediction.

1) guards find it easier to score and transition to the next level. Yogi can just choose himself and take the shot. Easy. If he wanted to jack up a three, Rick didn't stop him because we weren't doing anything anyway.

2) Yogi went to a team in absolute free-fall. We didn't care that he was taking 15-20 FGA. Jackson is going to a team that is coming off at least an ECF appearance. Celtics have a need for him, but they'll develop him slower and more conservatively and there are already other guys who deserve shots.

EricaLubarsky · 05-16-2017, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

I thought you couldn't trade 1st round picks from consecutive drafts? I could be wrong. Either way I don't think we have the ammo to trade for the top pick. The NBA owes us for burning us 4 straight years in the early 90's anyways.

That is correct. Unless it's a conveyed asset (another team's 2017 and your own 2018), then you cannot trade consecutive first rounders.

I also highly doubt we have the resources to jump to top three if we don't get it. I also think the cost/benefit is relatively low. There will be potential superstars available at 9 if we draft well. Mortgaging a second potential lottery pick to have a few more choices does't seem wise to me.

Melonhead · 05-16-2017, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

While I would prefer DSJ over Ball I don't think Cuban feels the same way. Can you imagine Cuban and Lavar Ball having to discuss business together?

And for that reason, Im out.

I really dont see Cuban entertaining this dude. Not like it would lead to anything beneficial for Cuban. Sure they would talk, but he would never give him the real time to discuss business

EricaLubarsky · 05-16-2017, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

And for that reason, Im out.

I really dont see Cuban entertaining this dude. Not like it would lead to anything beneficial for Cuban. Sure they would talk, but he would never give him the real time to discuss business

Cuban loves deals that benefit him, but I don't see how Ball benefits us other than the play of his son (which I doubt will translate as well as people think based on his mechanics and slow release)

Ball is a small-time hustler like Cuban when he was young, but I doubt there's an allure for Cuban to form a relationship with someone like that.

Acquiring players that bring in viewers and jersey sales (Singh, Jinhui, etc.) benefits Cuban. How does a partnership with Ball benefit us?

Melonhead · 05-16-2017, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Cuban loves deals that benefit him, but I don't see how Ball benefits us other than the play of his son (which I doubt will translate as well as people think based on his mechanics and slow release)

Ball is a small-time hustler like Cuban when he was young, but I doubt there's an allure for Cuban to form a relationship with someone like that.

Acquiring players that bring in viewers and jersey sales (Singh, Jinhui, etc.) benefits Cuban. How does a partnership with Ball benefit us?

Little more articulate than me but exact thing I was trying to say

EricaLubarsky · 05-16-2017, 02:45 PM

Dirk @Swish on Twitter

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With our luck at the draft our pick is probably gonna slip to second round tonight....

SMC0007 · 05-16-2017, 02:52 PM

Lol

Melonhead · 05-16-2017, 04:20 PM

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Lol

2:40 min remaining...

Im a pessimist so I expect us to drop to 10

EricaLubarsky · 05-16-2017, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

2:40 min remaining...

Im a pessimist so I expect us to drop to 10

Why not 12? Hypothetically three of the five teams behind us (10-14) could all win the lottery, bumping us back to 12.

BPo001 · 05-16-2017, 04:50 PM

We got this. The NBA wants to see Dirk get one last playoff run.

saclare · 05-16-2017, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Why not 12? Hypothetically three of the five teams behind us (10-14) could all win the lottery, bumping us back to 12.

.002% chance at 12th (cue Jim Carrey/Lloyd meme)

sefant77 · 05-16-2017, 05:38 PM

"#11 Charlotte"
"phew, at least no mega bad luck"
"#10 New Orleans"
"phew, at least no bad luck"
"#9 Dallas... ah damn it fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu again no luck for us"

something like this

Underdog · 05-16-2017, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

"#11 Charlotte"
"phew, at least no mega bad luck"
"#10 New Orleans"
"phew, at least no bad luck"
"#9 Dallas... ah damn it fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu again no luck for us"

something like this

Well, they only do picks 1-3, then everything else settles into place... I'll be just fine if Dallas stays put.

Underdog · 05-16-2017, 05:43 PM

What's up with that Lakers pick, anyway? Don't they lose it if they get bumped out of the top 3? If so, doesn't the rest of the draft stay the same, even if one team sneaks into the top-3?

Or am I completely wrong here?

sefant77 · 05-16-2017, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Well, they only do picks 1-3, then everything else settles into place... I'll be just fine if Dallas stays put.

Yeah but they reveal it backwards starting from #14....thats why it will look like this

sefant77 · 05-16-2017, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

What's up with that Lakers pick, anyway? Don't they lose it if they get bumped out of the top 3? If so, doesn't the rest of the draft stay the same, even if one team sneaks into the top-3?

Or am I completely wrong here?

Yeah if Lakers fall out of the top-3 it goes to the Sixers. Because the Lakers did the stupid trade for Nash with three 1st and then the Suns did the stupid Knight trade throwing this pick away.

So i really hope the Lakers and Suns are going to cry tonight for their stupidity

Melonhead · 05-16-2017, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Yeah if Lakers fall out of the top-3 it goes to the Sixers. Because the Lakers did the stupid trade for Nash with three 1st and then the Suns did the stupid Knight trade throwing this pick away.

So i really hope the Lakers and Suns are going to cry tonight for their stupidity

Would love to see Ball go to the Sixers

Underdog · 05-16-2017, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Yeah if Lakers fall out of the top-3 it goes to the Sixers. Because the Lakers did the stupid trade for Nash with three 1st and then the Suns did the stupid Knight trade throwing this pick away.

So i really hope the Lakers and Suns are going to cry tonight for their stupidity

Thanks for clarifying... Rooting hard for the Mavs to be the team that bumps the Lakers out.

sefant77 · 05-16-2017, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Would love to see Ball go to the Sixers

Would love Ball with the Lakers if they pick top-3.Abusing the Lakers brand for BBB and after two weeks complaining on First Take about Waltons coaching and too many white guys on the roster

EricaLubarsky · 05-16-2017, 07:09 PM

Mia, Den, Det, Cha, NO

Those are the teams we are cheering against. Any of them gets a top three and we're bumped a spot.

sefant77 · 05-16-2017, 07:50 PM

FUCK

Anf Kings moved up...lol

And damn Lakers

Bryan_Wilson · 05-16-2017, 07:51 PM

sefant77 · 05-16-2017, 07:53 PM

anyone remembering this stupid win against the Bucks? or we pick #8

EricaLubarsky · 05-16-2017, 07:53 PM

Mavs stay 9