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Dtownsfinest · 07-13-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

To steal a Bill Simmons bit:

Anytime you can sign a 10 minute-a-game center for $34 million, you gotta do it.

With Turkoglu gone though and Lewis sliding back down to the 3 spot doesn't he now become the 30 minute a game backup center/pf?

spursfan1 · 07-13-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Huh? The only tram that is clearly better than the Mavs is the Lakers. Everyone else it is a crapshoot. Losing Gortat (did they really even have him?) doesn't drop a team from 2 all the way to 8.

Not here trying to be a troll but...

LOL at you think the Mavs are better than the Spurs.

Sorry. They're not. Adding Marion barely improves the Mavs if he improves them at all.

Spurs add Jefferson, Dice and Blair and lose Bowen, Oberto and Thomas.

Jefferson a 20 and 5 guy, Dice a 10 and 10 guy and Blair a potential 15 and 10 guy.

Not to mention a finally healthy Manu after two seasons.

1. Lakers/Spurs (Without Odom it's the Spurs, with Odom it's a toss.)
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The rest

clutch#41 · 07-13-2009, 04:18 PM

iella · 07-13-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

Not here trying to be a troll but...

Utter, spectacular fail.

Spurs Fan · 07-13-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

Not here trying to be a troll but...

LOL at you think the Mavs are better than the Spurs.

Sorry. They're not. Adding Marion barely improves the Mavs if he improves them at all.

Spurs add Jefferson, Dice and Blair and lose Bowen, Oberto and Thomas.

Jefferson a 20 and 5 guy, Dice a 10 and 10 guy and Blair a potential 15 and 10 guy.

Not to mention a finally healthy Manu after two seasons.

1. Lakers/Spurs (Without Odom it's the Spurs, with Odom it's a toss.)
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The rest

Real good job of trying not to be a troll...

Rick41 · 07-13-2009, 04:18 PM

Somehow this thread has become a magnet/goldmine for trolls from all over the league.

Who would of known?

FINtastic · 07-13-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

Not here trying to be a troll but...

LOL at you think the Mavs are better than the Spurs.

Sorry. They're not. Adding Marion barely improves the Mavs if he improves them at all.

Spurs add Jefferson, Dice and Blair and lose Bowen, Oberto and Thomas.

Jefferson a 20 and 5 guy, Dice a 10 and 10 guy and Blair a potential 15 and 10 guy.

Not to mention a finally healthy Manu after two seasons.

1. Lakers/Spurs (Without Odom it's the Spurs, with Odom it's a toss.)
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The rest

I have to admire your optimism. Blair a 15 and 10 guy? Like I said, I admire your optimism.

purplefrog · 07-13-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

Not here trying to be a troll but...

Well you need to try harder, it's not working for me.

The Crippler · 07-13-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

and Blair a potential 15 and 10 guy.

You sir, are a f'n idiot and I quit reading right here.

Dtownsfinest · 07-13-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

Not here trying to be a troll but...

LOL at you think the Mavs are better than the Spurs.

Sorry. They're not. Adding Marion barely improves the Mavs if he improves them at all.

Spurs add Jefferson, Dice and Blair and lose Bowen, Oberto and Thomas.

Jefferson a 20 and 5 guy, Dice a 10 and 10 guy and Blair a potential 15 and 10 guy.

Not to mention a finally healthy Manu after two seasons.

1. Lakers/Spurs (Without Odom it's the Spurs, with Odom it's a toss.)
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The rest

I agree to an extent. I think the Spurs roster-wise are the second best team if not the 1st best in the West. But games aren't played on paper. Until the Spurs get out of the 1st round and prove they can stay healthy they are in the crapshoot. But if they fulfill their potential? They will be in the WCF with the Lakers. But if the Suns fulfilled their potential last season they would've been in the WCF and not missing out on the post season.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 07-13-2009, 04:20 PM

I'm just waiting on a Heat fan and a Golden State fan to show up.

FINtastic · 07-13-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

With Turkoglu gone though and Lewis sliding back down to the 3 spot doesn't he now become the 30 minute a game backup center/pf?

My guess is they would rather use a more natural power forward (Bass) at power forward than trying to shoehorn a guy like Gortat in there who isn't one.

MVPizzle06 · 07-13-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

Not here trying to be a troll but...

LOL at you think the Mavs are better than the Spurs.

Sorry. They're not. Adding Marion barely improves the Mavs if he improves them at all.

Spurs add Jefferson, Dice and Blair and lose Bowen, Oberto and Thomas.

Jefferson a 20 and 5 guy, Dice a 10 and 10 guy and Blair a potential 15 and 10 guy.

Not to mention a finally healthy Manu after two seasons.

1. Lakers/Spurs (Without Odom it's the Spurs, with Odom it's a toss.)
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The rest

Enjoy your fairy-tale cloud of ignorance. Only thing the Spurs did was get one year older. Good luck trying to slow down our fast break with Duncan hobblin up the court and Ginobli crossin over his own ankles.

Rick41 · 07-13-2009, 04:21 PM

Massive LOL @ the Blair prediction.

mavs777 · 07-13-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

Not here trying to be a troll but...

LOL at you think the Mavs are better than the Spurs.

Sorry. They're not. Adding Marion barely improves the Mavs if he improves them at all.

Spurs add Jefferson, Dice and Blair and lose Bowen, Oberto and Thomas.

Jefferson a 20 and 5 guy, Dice a 10 and 10 guy and Blair a potential 15 and 10 guy.

Not to mention a finally healthy Manu after two seasons.

1. Lakers/Spurs (Without Odom it's the Spurs, with Odom it's a toss.)
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The rest

This is when i stopped reading this

purplefrog · 07-13-2009, 04:21 PM

I wonder if Bass is ticked off.....Maybe the Magic get two disgruntled players on the front line...

FINtastic · 07-13-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lewis4thewin

he's already on the decline and we didnt want him for 5-6 years. even if this carter thing doesnt work we'll have a ton of cap space in 2011

Not if your GM keeps throwing money around like this at backups.

SMC0007 · 07-13-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

Not here trying to be a troll but...

LOL at you think the Mavs are better than the Spurs.

Sorry. They're not. Adding Marion barely improves the Mavs if he improves them at all.

Spurs add Jefferson, Dice and Blair and lose Bowen, Oberto and Thomas.

Jefferson a 20 and 5 guy, Dice a 10 and 10 guy and Blair a potential 15 and 10 guy.

Not to mention a finally healthy Manu after two seasons.

1. Lakers/Spurs (Without Odom it's the Spurs, with Odom it's a toss.)
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.

The rest

SCOREBOARD... Until you beat us in the playoffs!

Rick41 · 07-13-2009, 04:26 PM

http://www.wftv.com/sports/20041064/detail.html

Well, lets move forward into looking to use our MLE smartly.

Dtownsfinest · 07-13-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick41

Massive LOL @ the Blair prediction.

Well I think he is a potential double double guy. I just don't think its now or any time soon.

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

My guess is they would rather use a more natural power forward (Bass) at power forward than trying to shoehorn a guy like Gortat in there who isn't one.

Yea Bass probably will start. But there's some minutes behind him and Dwight that will be there for Gortat if he wants it. He and Dwight can play alongside each other. Dwight can definitely slide to the 4. I see why they matched if not to get something of value for him later down the road I just don't see why they let Turkoglu go. Unless they were tired of Lewis at the 4 spot and had to make a decision between the two.

DirkFTW · 07-13-2009, 04:26 PM

Don't look now, but Moldy Homo is 2-2.

Sportstudi · 07-13-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Texas Hokie

He is a someone limited trade asset. He must approve any deal during the next year. He wanted to come here and can't be happy today. If Orlando thinks he will say "yes sir" to any deal that comes along, that would be a very poor assumption.

If I was Gortat, I would say "I will not approve any deal. You WILL therefore get stuck with the luxury tax this year if you match. Have a nice day."

This

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 07-13-2009, 04:28 PM

moldy_hobo = Otis Smith

FINtastic · 07-13-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

Not here trying to be a troll but...

LOL at you think the Mavs are better than the Spurs.

Sorry. They're not. Adding Marion barely improves the Mavs if he improves them at all.

Spurs add Jefferson, Dice and Blair and lose Bowen, Oberto and Thomas.

Jefferson a 20 and 5 guy, Dice a 10 and 10 guy and Blair a potential 15 and 10 guy.

Not to mention a finally healthy Manu after two seasons.

1. Lakers/Spurs (Without Odom it's the Spurs, with Odom it's a toss.)
.
.
.
.

The rest

Since we are doing wild, baseless predicitions, you forgot that we added a potential 18 and 9 guy in Beaubois.

Ah, that was fun.

SMC0007 · 07-13-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Eh I could care less about those lame ass Magic forum posters, or your lack of ability to tolerate this garbage I post. I'm pissed and I'm going to flip out as much as possible.

ok fine

Dirkenstien · 07-13-2009, 04:29 PM

Yeah Spurs fans don't know about Robo yet. He's basically going to negate anything Parker can do with his defense, lol

spursfan1 · 07-13-2009, 04:31 PM

What about potential don't you understand. I never said he's going to average that next season, I said he's a potential 15/10 guy. He's a beast. His knees are perfectly fine and I'm so happy all the other teams were too scared to draft him.

He's going to get 20 minutes a game out the gate so his impact should be felt early.

He's a double double machine waiting to happen this season playing behind and with Duncan.

He owned the second pick of the draft, was Co-Player of the Year with Thabeet. He was a rookie of the year. Etc. He's NBA ready. He's a rebound machine.

Again, the Mavs lose Bass and only gain Marion. So how exactly are the Mavs better than the Spurs? The Spurs completely revamped their team for the better while retaining their big three. Don't let some Manu-less playoff series win cloud your judgment.

I know this is a Mavs forum and my opinion isn't going to go over too well but take off the glasses for a second and be realistic.

FINtastic · 07-13-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Well I think he is a potential double double guy. I just don't think its now or any time soon.

Yea Bass probably will start. But there's some minutes behind him and Dwight that will be there for Gortat if he wants it. He and Dwight can play alongside each other. Dwight can definitely slide to the 4. I see why they matched if not to get something of value for him later down the road I just don't see why they let Turkoglu go. Unless they were tired of Lewis at the 4 spot and had to make a decision between the two.

I really don't see Dwight sliding to the four. The guy is a center to the core. If anything, I see Rashard sliding back to the four with no Bass on the floor, and Orlando just playing guys like Pietrus and *cough* Redick more.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-13-2009, 04:33 PM

I say this over and over but never underestimate a stupid GM.

If Zach Randolph and his awful contract can be traded, then a GM certainly can be dumb enough to keep a 12 mpg center for 34 mil.

Rick41 · 07-13-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

I know this is a Mavs forum and my opinion isn't going to go over too well but take off the glasses for a second and be realistic.

Really, REALLY ironic a spurs fan is telling us to be realistic.

FINtastic · 07-13-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

What about potential don't you understand. I never said he's going to average that next season, I said he's a potential 15/10 guy. He's a beast. His knees are perfectly fine and I'm so happy all the other teams were too scared to draft him.

He's going to get 20 minutes a game out the gate so his impact should be felt early.

He's a double double machine waiting to happen this season playing behind and with Duncan.

Again, the Mavs lose Bass and only gain Marion. So how exactly are the Mavs better than the Spurs? The Spurs completely revamped their team for the better while retaining their big three.

I know this is a Mavs forum and my opinion isn't going to go over too well but take off the glasses for a second and be realistic.

So I can claim whatever I want about a player and as long as I use the qualifier "potential", it's okay?

Oh, and I don't see any way in hell Jefferson will average 20 points on a healthy Spurs team where he is likely the fourth option.

mavs777 · 07-13-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

What about potential don't you understand. I never said he's going to average that next season, I said he's a potential 15/10 guy. He's a beast. His knees are perfectly fine and I'm so happy all the other teams were too scared to draft him.

He's going to get 20 minutes a game out the gate so his impact should be felt early.

He's a double double machine waiting to happen this season playing behind and with Duncan.

He owned the second pick of the draft, was Co-Player of the Year with Thabeet. He was a rookie of the year. Etc. He's NBA ready. He's a rebound machine.

Again, the Mavs lose Bass and only gain Marion. So how exactly are the Mavs better than the Spurs? The Spurs completely revamped their team for the better while retaining their big three. Don't let some Manu-less playoff series win cloud your judgment.

I know this is a Mavs forum and my opinion isn't going to go over too well but take off the glasses for a second and be realistic.

The pot calling the Kettle black

edit: and if Blair really does get 20 mpg this year, Spurs are in a lot of trouble

StackAttack · 07-13-2009, 04:37 PM

I don't understand the logic. Why let Turkoglu walk because you don't want to pay him, and then go into luxury tax territory for a backup to one of the top 5 players in the game? And if I'm Otis Smith, do I really want to match an offer for a guy who keeps voicing how much he doesn't want to be in Orlando?

I'm pretty angry. But in the end, Gortat's a guy who hasn't done a tremendous amount (and thanks to Otis Smith, may never live up to any of the potential he has), Damp's serviceable as our center for now, and we still have our MLE (although I will say that other than perhaps Chris Wilcox and Desmond Mason, I'm not attracted to a single remaining FA).

Usually Lurkin · 07-13-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I say this over and over but never underestimate a stupid GM.

(ahem, Donnie Nelson. ahem)

LonghornDub · 07-13-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

His knees are perfectly fine and I'm so happy all the other teams were too scared to draft him.

Thanks for the diagnosis, doc.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-13-2009, 04:37 PM

Dtownsfinest · 07-13-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

What about potential don't you understand. I never said he's going to average that next season, I said he's a potential 15/10 guy. He's a beast. His knees are perfectly fine and I'm so happy all the other teams were too scared to draft him.

He's going to get 20 minutes a game out the gate so his impact should be felt early.

He's a double double machine waiting to happen this season playing behind and with Duncan.

Again, the Mavs lose Bass and only gain Marion. So how exactly are the Mavs better than the Spurs? The Spurs completely revamped their team for the better while retaining their big three.

I know this is a Mavs forum and my opinion isn't going to go over too well but take off the glasses for a second and be realistic.

Offseason isn't over with. And while I liked Bass I think he hit his potential with this team. He's going to flourish alongside a real big man like Dwight. But here? He was a role player who went as far as he could with the Mavs. Marion is a upgrade if he comes back to last seasons form. So I wouldn't make light of getting rid of Bass for Marion as if its some downgrade. Mavs got better in that regard. But the key to this offseason IMO was to get front court help and a 2 guard. We still have to fill in those holes and we have the mid-level and Damp's contract to do so.

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

I really don't see Dwight sliding to the four. The guy is a center to the core. If anything, I see Rashard sliding back to the four with no Bass on the floor, and Orlando just playing guys like Pietrus and *cough* Redick more.

I thought the whole reason of getting Bass was to get those shooters from at the 4 spot. If this is their intentions than they really have no idea what they're doing. But unless they plan on trading Gortat 3 months from now I can't see him just getting 10 minutes a night for 5 million. Even then Gortat isn't bad insurance to have at that spot. Just not sure if i'd pay 5 million for it.

RoddyB#3 · 07-13-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spursfan1

Not here trying to be a troll but...

LOL at you think the Mavs are better than the Spurs.

Sorry. They're not. Adding Marion barely improves the Mavs if he improves them at all.

Spurs add Jefferson, Dice and Blair and lose Bowen, Oberto and Thomas.

Jefferson a 20 and 5 guy, Dice a 10 and 10 guy and Blair a potential 15 and 10 guy.

Not to mention a finally healthy Manu after two seasons.

1. Lakers/Spurs (Without Odom it's the Spurs, with Odom it's a toss.)
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The rest

For a Spurs fan you sure don't have a good memory. True fans for both teams know that rosters make no difference when we play each other. Last season was a good example of that. We split the series in the regular season each winning on the others home court. We had it easy in the playoff series, but we all know that Ginobli would have made that series much different. If he had played it would have probably come down to game 6 or 7. Even without Ginobli the Spurs still fought as hard as they could. The rivalry our two teams have is to big for rosters to make a difference. Every one steps up when we play.

Our two teams have both gotten better. You better believe that we are in for some down to the wire games between the two of us. To think otherwise like your team has some huge advantage is a stretch. I would not be surprised if we split the series again. I hope we meet you in the playoffs to put your theory to the test.

ty · 07-13-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

So I can claim whatever I want about a player and as long as I use the qualifier "potential", it's okay?

Oh, and I don't see any way in hell Jefferson will average 20 points on a healthy Spurs team where he is likely the fourth option.

Just ignore that guy...he's still sucking on Game 5.

FINtastic · 07-13-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

But he's so fun to play with...