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AO41 · 07-03-2018, 11:41 AM

Would we have any interest in LaVine?

Bulls seem to be taking their time and at times he looked good in the 25 games or so that he played last year.

Any thoughts?

burner2014 · 07-03-2018, 11:48 AM

Does anyone understand the current Cap Space of the Mavs after we signed DJ and Dirk (for 4 or 5 MIO?)

What would be left right now?

EricaLubarsky · 07-03-2018, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by burner2014

Does anyone understand the current Cap Space of the Mavs after we signed DJ and Dirk (for 4 or 5 MIO?)

What would be left right now?

None or almost none. Brunson and Yogi bring us to the cap, I think. We could have created up to 28 mill by renouncing Yogi. We instead created around 25mill. Jordan gets 24.1. Brunson (if he gets above the min, which it sounds like he will) will count for 1-2 depending on contract. Mejri got a min deal. That brings us to the cap.

Dirk gets the exception for 4.4mill

We only have minimums and maybe the BAE left, but we're also at 13/15 main roster spots and 1/2 two-way contracts.

I'd assume that Ray and Kostas are fighting for the 14th roster spot. The other will get the final two-way deal. Maybe they both make a roster spot and we leave the second two-way open for a summer league body we like. In that case, our team is full.

Melonhead · 07-03-2018, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

None or almost none. Brunson and Yogi bring us to the cap, I think. We could have created up to 28 mill by renouncing Yogi. We instead created around 25mill. Jordan gets 24.1. Brunson (if he gets above the min, which it sounds like he will) will count for 1-2 depending on contract. Mejri got a min deal. That brings us to the cap.

Dirk gets the exception for 4.4mill

We only have minimums and maybe the BAE left, but we're also at 13/15 main roster spots and 1/2 two-way contracts.

I'd assume that Ray and Kostas are fighting for the 14th roster spot. The other will get the final two-way deal. Maybe they both make a roster spot and we leave the second two-way open for a summer league body we like. In that case, our team is full.

Yeah I don’t understand why I keep seeing on twitter “what’s the plan” and “what’s the next move”. Um were done guys. Barring a crazy trade for Wes, settle in it’s going to be a long offseason.

Melonhead · 07-03-2018, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'm surprised to see people around the interwebs actually upset over losing Seth Curry. 1. He obviously still isn't healthy 2. He was never really that good. 3. We have to at least attempt to get players that are over 6'3.

Once we lost Buckets many seen Seth as a top priority because were lacking shooters. Then seeing him leave for so little added sting to it. In a nutshell losing him isn’t so bad. But he was a real opportunity at a cheap dependable shooter when given solid minutes.

Dtownsfinest · 07-03-2018, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AO41

Would we have any interest in LaVine?

Bulls seem to be taking their time and at times he looked good in the 25 games or so that he played last year.

Any thoughts?

I'd love to have him but what do we have to offer?

3_Ball · 07-03-2018, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AO41

Would we have any interest in LaVine?

Bulls seem to be taking their time and at times he looked good in the 25 games or so that he played last year.

Any thoughts?

I heard a rumor the Hawks and I think it was the Kings were very interested in making him an offersheet. It was definitely the Hawks & one other lotto team.

I think he's a true offguard. Luka can definitely play the offguard, but is more a natural point-forward (who has a propensity for finding his own shot, a little more than say LeBron does), and DSJ is a score-first PG who's working on his "get everyone else involved" game.

I don't think LaVine is the best fit for us, meaning I wouldn't put him on top of my list, but he does fit. I'd prefer an offguard with more defensive skills like KCP. But, the bottom line is we don't have any cap space left & even if we did it sounds like a competitive market for his services. Not to mention, he hasn't demonstrated the greatest ability to stay healthy so far in his short career.

Dtownsfinest · 07-03-2018, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Once we lost Buckets many seen Seth as a top priority because were lacking shooters. Then seeing him leave for so little added sting to it. In a nutshell losing him isn’t so bad. But he was a real opportunity at a cheap dependable shooter when given solid minutes.

Yeah for what you get for 2.5 million...you can do a lot worse than him. We all thought before the injury he would've cost more.

3_Ball · 07-03-2018, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

None or almost none. Brunson and Yogi bring us to the cap, I think. We could have created up to 28 mill by renouncing Yogi. We instead created around 25mill. Jordan gets 24.1. Brunson (if he gets above the min, which it sounds like he will) will count for 1-2 depending on contract. Mejri got a min deal. That brings us to the cap.

Dirk gets the exception for 4.4mill

We only have minimums and maybe the BAE left, but we're also at 13/15 main roster spots and 1/2 two-way contracts.

I'd assume that Ray and Kostas are fighting for the 14th roster spot. The other will get the final two-way deal. Maybe they both make a roster spot and we leave the second two-way open for a summer league body we like. In that case, our team is full.

This is an excellent summary. My only question is why or maybe should DFS have a roster spot?

I don't see Finney-Smith as an NBA talent. I don't see lockdown defender when I watch him play & the offensive game is barely collegiate level. I would think even for a minimum salary spot we could find someone a little bit better.

3_Ball · 07-03-2018, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Yeah for what you get for 2.5 million...you can do a lot worse than him. We all thought before the injury he would've cost more.

And let's be honest with ourselves about Wes & Dirk. Dirk played 77 games this year, and even he said he was surprised he played that many. He's a soldier no doubt about it & he played through the ankle pain & stiffness (apparently he required 3 massages over the course of 36 hours before every game just in order to play last year). I don't think we can count on 77 more games this season from Dirk. 55 might be more like it. And Wes is coming back from a serious stress fracture injury. Can we count on him for more than 65 games this season? Can we count on Wes for that many?

If Dirk and/or Wes miss time, which they most likely will, who is going to provide us 3 point shooting off the bench??? JJB? He can shoot 3s, but he's not a spot up 3 point shooter to provide spacing & even if he were, how do you get him on the floor with DSJ & Luka for large stretches of the game? Yogi is great shooting 3s too, but same deal as JJ.

Man, I wish we would of hopped on Kendall Stephens of Nevada for summer league team. He doesn't do much of anything else & has a poor body. He'd have to develop it, but the kid can flat out shoot the rock. Pure shooter. All day. If the Magic cut him, man get his ass a minimum contract offer for our last roster spot ASAP.

tap2390 · 07-03-2018, 02:26 PM

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/j...-an-extension/

Jimmy Butler informs Minnesota he won’t be signing an extension. Don’t know what we could put together, but we should look into it. Wes expiring + Brunson + 1st enough?

3_Ball · 07-03-2018, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/j...-an-extension/

Jimmy Butler informs Minnesota he won’t be signing an extension. Don’t know what we could put together, but we should look into it. Wes expiring + Brunson + 1st enough?

I don't want to trade Brunson for Butler straight up. Ability wise, sure, but age & contract. No thank you.

mac222b · 07-03-2018, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/j...-an-extension/

Jimmy Butler informs Minnesota he won’t be signing an extension. Don’t know what we could put together, but we should look into it. Wes expiring + Brunson + 1st enough?

They can do better

EricaLubarsky · 07-03-2018, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/j...-an-extension/

Jimmy Butler informs Minnesota he won’t be signing an extension. Don’t know what we could put together, but we should look into it. Wes expiring + Brunson + 1st enough?

Doesn't mean that he wants out.

Still, we can't trade a first rounder until the draft next year and only then IF the pick goes to Atlanta. If we draft in the top 5 and keep the pick, then we can't trade a first until after the draft when it does.

Dtownsfinest · 07-03-2018, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Doesn't mean that he wants out.

Still, we can't trade a first rounder until the draft next year and only then IF the pick goes to Atlanta. If we draft in the top 5 and keep the pick, then we can't trade a first until after the draft when it does.

So when Sixers get their pick? I know it has to be 19 or later....

Dtownsfinest · 07-03-2018, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

They can do better

A lot better. I'd love to have him though.

Dtownsfinest · 07-03-2018, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 3_Ball

I don't want to trade Brunson for Butler straight up. Ability wise, sure, but age & contract. No thank you.

Wait a minute....you wouldn't trade Brunson for Butler?

Bryan_Wilson · 07-03-2018, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

I'm much more sad about Doug than Seth. He'd be an incredibly perfect fit with this team tbh

Yep. I feel the same.

3_Ball · 07-03-2018, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Wait a minute....you wouldn't trade Brunson for Butler?

Well, as I said ability wise, sure. However, it's not just a player ability trade. Brunson turns 22 in Aug, Butler turns 29 in Sept. Brunson costs $1 mil-ish. Butler costs $20 mil-ish. Brunson has about 7 yrs of team control. Butler has 0 years of team control.

So, the way I'm looking at it is Brunson + (whoever you'd acquire with the $19 mil difference) > Butler.

Plus, I think Brunson is going to be worth more than his contract over the next 7 years, which goes back to the YouTube video I shared from MDJ about the championship formula of undervalued contracts. Butler will be doing good just to equal the value of his contract & if he exceeds it, then it won't be by much.

sefant77 · 07-03-2018, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/j...-an-extension/

Jimmy Butler informs Minnesota he won’t be signing an extension. Don’t know what we could put together, but we should look into it. Wes expiring + Brunson + 1st enough?

Its just a money move. If he re-sign with them as UFA He get way more money. There was no point signing an extension now...Wolfes knew it too

Mavs#1Fan · 07-03-2018, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I was gonna say...who is signing Howard?

The Wizards won that epic contest

3_Ball · 07-03-2018, 06:24 PM

Philly just traded cash considerations to take on Wilson Chandler's $12.8 mil contract and they pick up a 2021 2nd round pick, with the flexibility to move it to 2022 where they can trade 2nd rounders with DEN if they so choose.

Philly a team much closer to competing as a contender & they're still trading for more assets... Things that make you go Hmmmmmm….

G-Man · 07-03-2018, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'm surprised to see people around the interwebs actually upset over losing Seth Curry. 1. He obviously still isn't healthy 2. He was never really that good. 3. We have to at least attempt to get players that are over 6'3.

ding! ding! ding! We have a winner!

Dtownsfinest · 07-03-2018, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 3_Ball

Philly just traded cash considerations to take on Wilson Chandler's $12.8 mil contract and they pick up a 2021 2nd round pick, with the flexibility to move it to 2022 where they can trade 2nd rounders with DEN if they so choose.

Philly a team much closer to competing as a contender & they're still trading for more assets... Things that make you go Hmmmmmm….

I wonder why they made that move? Makes no sense.

tap2390 · 07-03-2018, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I wonder why they made that move? Makes no sense.

Maybe with an eye on moving some combination of Covington / Zhaire / Simba to the Spurs for Kawhi.

Underdog · 07-03-2018, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/j...-an-extension/

Jimmy Butler informs Minnesota he won’t be signing an extension. Don’t know what we could put together, but we should look into it. Wes expiring + Brunson + 1st enough?

He's not looking to leave this year -- he wants in on next year's FA market when teams will have a lot more money to throw around.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2018, 08:51 PM

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He's not looking to leave this year -- he wants in on next year's FA market when teams will have a lot more money to throw around.

To me, everything depends on Luka and DSJ making this a destination for free agents. Sucks the pressure they have, but that's the reality of the situation.

SMC0007 · 07-03-2018, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

To me, everything depends on Luka and DSJ making this a destination for free agents. Sucks the pressure they have, but that's the reality of the situation.

That's the life they've always wanted tho. I just really hope Dirk rubs off on them and we keep them for a long long time. I don't want them to end up like many of the other stars that go ring chasing because they are entitled.

Bryan_Wilson · 07-04-2018, 06:20 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psk7prMEHGw

EricaLubarsky · 07-04-2018, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psk7prMEHGw

Good stuff

It’s just funny how much he takes a dump in Matthews and Noel

Noel was too dumb or stoned to go hard. Matthews (according to him) was having playmaking and ballhandling assigned to him and those two things just aren’t in his wheelhouse

satrekker · 07-04-2018, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psk7prMEHGw

Nice link! I'm more excited and optimistic than ever now and ready for the season to start. It should be a fun year with, I hope, more than a few flashes of future brilliance from the young guys. I think we're really going to be shocked at how much of a difference DAJ makes on this team. Plus, his free throw shooting is not nearly as bad as it used to be. I think he's close to 60% now. It would be great to get him another 10%+ with some more coaching.

Mavs#1Fan · 07-04-2018, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psk7prMEHGw

Make a run for the 5th seed?

LOL

I'd be happy with the 8th seed and a sweep by the Warriors. Get our young guys some playoff action

sefant77 · 07-04-2018, 11:32 AM

This is so epic

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1014351716878340097

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-04-2018, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

This is so epic

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1014351716878340097

"We signed Javale McGee! That's a good get!" LMAO!!!

Bryan_Wilson · 07-04-2018, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

This is so epic

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1014351716878340097

Real G's move in silence. Like lasagna.

- I died.

tap2390 · 07-04-2018, 01:07 PM

https://twitter.com/dallasmavs/statu...73012776640512

maybe one reason why we haven't been aggressively pursuing a wing player -- DFS's shot looks much improved

Melonhead · 07-04-2018, 01:40 PM

I’ve been watching that video over and over it’s so funny. So many quotes in there. “Is Hezonja even any good?”

I do think he missed out on a Deandre getting locked into a room joke although he may not have had Mavs apparel or clippers

Melonhead · 07-04-2018, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

https://twitter.com/dallasmavs/statu...73012776640512

maybe one reason why we haven't been aggressively pursuing a wing player -- DFS's shot looks much improved

I have no doubt that almost every player in the nba can do this in practice. And this probably isn’t new for him. Much harder to do it live game.

Underdog · 07-04-2018, 08:34 PM

Brain candy...

@AllanInThePost: Dončić and Porzingis is just pure mavs dirty talk. Closest thing to Nash and dirk. I pray @kporzee gets himself to be an UFA as quickly as possible.

Me.B · 07-04-2018, 10:14 PM

For me brain candy would be a starting 5 of...

AD
Giannis
Doncic
J. Brown
Dennis

Very far fetched but financially possible in 2021.