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MX425 · 03-26-2009, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Are you out of your mind? If that were true, they guy wouldn't have been a lottery pick. The kid a very impressive college career. Even in his rookie year, which was pretty rough, he drew constant comparisons to Tony Parker. The people who said he would never be starting material were pretty few and far between. Even when he wasn't scoring consistently, anyone with eyes could see he was one of the fastest players in the league, and could get into the paint at ease.

Wright? He's a decent defensive player and he's got some creativity around the rim, but I see nothing in his game to indicate that he'll ever be much more than he is now. Do you? The guy is Marquis Daniels only slower and without the passing skills.

Has anyone ever called you a Negative Nancy? Lot's of players develop through their time in the leaue. I agree a stud would be nice at SG, but we aren't going to have the all-star team. You play to the stregnth's of the players you do have. You can't just learn to be athletic, but shooting you can most def learn. It's players like Wright you need on your team.

I will agree we need another star scorer, but if you don't have the Wrights and Singletons then you won't do anything. Knock him all you want but I am willing to say that we would have a ring if he was on our team in 06.

Underdog · 03-26-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MX425

Knock him all you want but I am willing to say that we would have a ring if he was on our team in 06.

Does Wright have mafia connections or something?

dude1394 · 03-26-2009, 08:34 AM

Jason Terry is a completely different player when he's not jacking up threes. Completely...He is quite little (f'em) nickiesque in the lane right now. He's got his little one-handed jump-hook going and it's nice.

From the post-game it appears his wrist was a little bummed out so he didn't jack up threes. He should really, really take that to heart. If he mixes it up, he's just a different animal.

His shot-chart was beautiful.

I also admit that everytime I see GG out there...you sort of go "wow" why in the world can't this dude get some time. It would seem that he needs a personal trainer/mentor to get his head right with ball..Maybe he just doesn't have enough work ethic to get it done in the NBA...He did have a nice post-game interview with chuck c.

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Rick Carlisle didn't decide whether to start Jason Terry or J.J. Barea until minutes before tipoff. The fact that he went with Terry isn't a sign that the coach lacks confidence in Barea.

Carlisle just didn't want Terry's wrist to have time to stiffen up in the first few minutes of the game. Jet jammed his right wrist during yesterday's practice when he ran into Matt Carroll.

"I just felt he'd have a better chance to work through that if he was able to go right from the warmups to the game," Carroll said.

Can't argue with the results. Terry lit it up for 26 points on 10-of-15 shooting. Barea filled his sixth man shoes with 20 points and seven assists.

Don't be fooled by Terry's 67-percent shooting, though. The wrist bothered him, which is why he didn't launch many jumpers.

"That was because I couldn't shoot," said Terry, who expects his wrist to be very stiff when he wakes up in the morning. "This could be a blessing in disguise for me. It's letting me know that I can get to the rim and finish."

Dirkenstien · 03-26-2009, 09:12 AM

Didn't get to catch the game last night but I'm glad to see GG got some minutes.

Good win by the Mavs.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-26-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MX425

Has anyone ever called you a Negative Nancy? Lot's of players develop through their time in the leaue. I agree a stud would be nice at SG, but we aren't going to have the all-star team. You play to the stregnth's of the players you do have. You can't just learn to be athletic, but shooting you can most def learn. It's players like Wright you need on your team.

Actually, no, you can't really learn shooting. Players can improve their shooting slightly. It's really a talent just like any other. Players can work with shooting coaches for years and improve their shooting only a little bit or not at all. Look around the league and you'll see that guys who are really good shooters have always been that way. And yeah, players like Wright are needed... on the bench. If the Mavs are going to compete for a championship, the Antoine Wrights of the league are just not going to cut it.

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I will agree we need another star scorer, but if you don't have the Wrights and Singletons then you won't do anything. Knock him all you want but I am willing to say that we would have a ring if he was on our team in 06.

What exactly does Antoine Wright bring to this team that Marquis Daniels didn't? The guy is just another guard that can't shoot, and god knows we've had more than enough of those over the years. How exactly would he have helped in the Finals?

As for the "Negative Nancy" bit... I'm merely a passionate fan who is unhappy with the direction my team has taken. Two years ago this team was favored to win the title. Now we're perennial first-round losers. Am I not supposed to be pissed off?

SMC0007 · 03-26-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Actually, no, you can't really learn shooting. Players can improve their shooting slightly. It's really a talent just like any other. Players can work with shooting coaches for years and improve their shooting only a little bit or not at all. Look around the league and you'll see that guys who are really good shooters have always been that way. And yeah, players like Wright are needed... on the bench. If the Mavs are going to compete for a championship, the Antoine Wrights of the league are just not going to cut it.

Yes, you can learn shooting. If you are talking about a Shaq type player roaming around shooting 3's then yeah. He isn't gonna ever be good enough at that no matter how much he practices or gets coaching. On the other hand, guys that are shooters can become great shooters with practice and coaching.

dude1394 · 03-26-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Actually, no, you can't really learn shooting. Players can improve their shooting slightly. It's really a talent just like any other. Players can work with shooting coaches for years and improve their shooting only a little bit or not at all.

Spiral do you have any data to back this up? What do you mean by slightly for example?

Raja Bell (as one example) has gone from a below 30% to a perinnial above 40% since his first 2 years. In fact that looks a lot like awrights path also.

I don't want to debate what awright does/does not bring as he's currently a second tier player( might get better, might not...

But I seem to recall earvin johnson, jordon, lebron getting better at long-distance shooting. I wouldn't expect a "non-pure" shooter to ever get better at shooting on the move..but with their feet square and open I would expect they would.

SMC0007 · 03-26-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Thanks but stick to BB comments budd. Your opinion otherwise doesnt matter. You dont like?? Dont read ; )

Thespiralgoeson · 03-26-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Spiral do you have any data to back this up? What do you mean by slightly for example?

Raja Bell (as one example) has gone from a below 30% to a perinnial above 40% since his first 2 years. In fact that looks a lot like awrights path also.

I don't want to debate what awright does/does not bring as he's currently a second tier player( might get better, might not...

But I seem to recall earvin johnson, jordon, lebron getting better at long-distance shooting. I wouldn't expect a "non-pure" shooter to ever get better at shooting on the move..but with their feet square and open I would expect they would.

Not really, I don't. It just seems to be a talent like any other to me. Guys who are mediocre shooters can become decent. But a guy who is a flat-out terrible shooter is never gonna be a reliable outside threat IMO.

Yeah, some guys are mediocre when they come into the league and then improve within their first couple of years, but again, I think after 4 years in the league guys are what they are. Granted there are exceptions, but they are few and far between.

I'm not trying to hate on Wright. I just don't think he's a starter. If he were going to develop a 3 pt shot, I think he would have done so by now.

MX425 · 03-26-2009, 10:30 AM

I think he is working on it. He is a shooter, solid from 18-20, so why couldn't he add 3 feet to that shot. 4 years isn't long when you are not big getting minutes.

I am pissed too at the direction the team has gone, but bashing everything about it isn't going to fix it. I agree Wright is not the end all for our 2 problems, but he isn't the worst stop gap and does what is asked of him.

dude1394 · 03-26-2009, 10:39 AM

Well to be honest if wright were our starting 2 on this team...

Bdiddy
Wright
Someone(I'm thinking granger.

)
Dirk
Kaman..

I would be okay with it. He could concentrate on defense and shooting a corner three.

Our lack of other scoring options in the starting line-up gives me a pain.

TheMaverick · 03-26-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MX425

Has anyone ever called you a Negative Nancy? Lot's of players develop through their time in the leaue. I agree a stud would be nice at SG, but we aren't going to have the all-star team. You play to the stregnth's of the players you do have. You can't just learn to be athletic, but shooting you can most def learn. It's players like Wright you need on your team.

I will agree we need another star scorer, but if you don't have the Wrights and Singletons then you won't do anything. Knock him all you want but I am willing to say that we would have a ring if he was on our team in 06.

winner.

TheMaverick · 03-26-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Actually, no, you can't really learn shooting. Players can improve their shooting slightly. It's really a talent just like any other. Players can work with shooting coaches for years and improve their shooting only a little bit or not at all. Look around the league and you'll see that guys who are really good shooters have always been that way. And yeah, players like Wright are needed... on the bench. If the Mavs are going to compete for a championship, the Antoine Wrights of the league are just not going to cut it.

This is so wrong in so many ways. I disagree.

dude1394 · 03-26-2009, 10:44 AM

I awright doesn't fix this...he'll never go anywhere..

twistaeffect2004 · 03-26-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMaverick

This is so wrong in so many ways. I disagree.

Can you elaborate on why you feel it's wrong?

MaVs0541 · 03-26-2009, 10:55 AM

all i can say is green finally got to play more then .9 secs i hope he gets to play alot more now

MX425 · 03-26-2009, 11:15 AM

Green played very well. I felt like he was in control and didn't force the issue. I hope he gets some solid minutes from now on. I want to see a line-up of Kidd, Terry, Green, Singleton, Dirk. Could put some points up in a hurry.

Dtownsfinest · 03-26-2009, 11:18 AM

Can we atleast agree that any team that starts Antoine Wright and Eric Dampier can't be taking this run at a title too serious? I agree with some in this thread. Wright would be a great bench guy. There's nothing wrong with that. Look at the Lakers. Without their bench they're not the same team even with Bynum, Kobe and Gasol. Mavs may have something with this bench. That's if we can get consistency out of Singleton and Barea. You throw Wright into the mix and you have something. Some teams can afford to have Wright start for them since they have a Dwight Howard in the middle or a Dwayne Wade to dominate the ball. But not this team.

Dtownsfinest · 03-26-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MX425

Green played very well. I felt like he was in control and didn't force the issue. I hope he gets some solid minutes from now on. I want to see a line-up of Kidd, Terry, Green, Singleton, Dirk. Could put some points up in a hurry.

With 11 games left into the season I think the chance of Green getting any consistent minutes are over. Which makes you wonder why even give him consistent minutes at any point during a run where we're trying to atleast stay in the 8th spot at the very least? Carlisle should have this rotation set at this point in the season even if Josh is out.

SMC0007 · 03-26-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MX425

Green played very well. I felt like he was in control and didn't force the issue. I hope he gets some solid minutes from now on. I want to see a line-up of Kidd, Terry, Green, Singleton, Dirk. Could put some points up in a hurry.

Unfortunately I wouldn't count on Green getting consistent minutes or playing time, Hollins too for that matter. All I can hope for aside from that is the Mavs resigning him.

SMC0007 · 03-26-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Can we atleast agree that any team that starts Antoine Wright and Eric Dampier can't be taking this run at a title too serious? I agree with some in this thread. Wright would be a great bench guy. There's nothing wrong with that. Look at the Lakers. Without their bench they're not the same team even with Bynum, Kobe and Gasol. Mavs may have something with this bench. That's if we can get consistency out of Singleton and Barea. You throw Wright into the mix and you have something. Some teams can afford to have Wright start for them since they have a Dwight Howard in the middle or a Dwayne Wade to dominate the ball. But not this team.

Agreed

Dtownsfinest · 03-26-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Unfortunately I wouldn't count on Green getting consistent minutes or playing time, Hollins too for that matter. All I can hope for aside from that is the Mavs resigning him.

If there is a positive about the minutes Green has gotten this season is that he should be cheap to resign. I guess the question is would he resign after receiving such little playing time? I remember earlier in the season I wondered would Green receive the mid-level from a team after this season. He won't see even half of that now but that's how well he was playing at the beginning of the season. I'm not sure how he fell out of favor with the coaching staff.

SMC0007 · 03-26-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

If there is a positive about the minutes Green has gotten this season is that he should be cheap to resign. I guess the question is would he resign after receiving such little playing time? I remember earlier in the season I wondered would Green receive the mid-level from a team after this season. He won't see even half of that now but that's how well he was playing at the beginning of the season. I'm not sure how he fell out of favor with the coaching staff.

I don't think a lot of teams will go overboard for him. As you said, he may not want to resign with us due to lack of playing time but who knows. I could see the case being that he tends to make an error on the floor in practice and then he dwells on it and complicates things(chicken with its head cut off). Like he bogs himself down with trying to live up to his abilities and has a hard time making the simple play or feeling the flow of what s going on if that makes sense.

I think for now he is good for the type of role where he is allowed to touch the ball alot and generate offense off the bench as he did last night and has done many times. I don't think he has been fully broken yet by the coaching staff and player coaches. I think once he can play with other stars and "feel" when he needs to dominate the ball while others (jet,dirk,jho) are struggling or being doubled he will be capable of a significant role. Something is going on behind closed doors (in practice)that is making the staff think that if his wheels come off, it effects his overall game too much to risk playing him in big situations.

vinylstar · 03-26-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I'm not trying to hate on Wright. I just don't think he's a starter. If he were going to develop a 3 pt shot, I think he would have done so by now.

Is Adrian Griffin a starter?

Nonetheless I agree with you. We have the right guys in the wrong spot in the rotation. Singleton is a great 10th man. He's ~7th for us. Wright is a great 7th man. He's a starter for us.

SMC0007 · 03-26-2009, 12:45 PM

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archi...ck-carlis.html

Gerald Green gets props from Rick Carlisle

Gerald Green might have played his best game as a Maverick in last night's blowout over Golden State.

"Gerald Green gave us a big boost -- in 18 minutes, going for 14 points," Rick Carlisle said. "He just played a real solid, sensible game."

We all know the ex-Slam Dunk champ is capable of the spectacular. Solid and sensible? He'll have a long future in the league if that becomes a trend.

Green grabbed five rebounds and actually had an assist -- his 14th in 327 minutes this season. He made six of 10 shots from the floor, and I can only recall one that I thought was forced, which he tends to do too often.

Of course, Green did give the fans an ooooooh moment, throwing down a two-hand windmill jam on a breakaway during garbage time.

Antoine Wright mentioned to Green in the locker room after the game that Golden State's Keleena Azubuike had a chance to catch up on the play. Green cracked a big smile.

"He didn't want none of that duh-duh-duh," Green said, busting a bit of the SportsCenter tune.

If Green keeps giving Carlisle glimpses of solid and sensible, he ought to get a lot more opportunities to make SportsCenter.

monty55555 · 03-26-2009, 03:52 PM

I agree with most people. ddh33 and jthig both had great recaps.

What happened to ddh33? I always looked forward to his game recaps. Haven't seen him do one in a long time.

u2sarajevo · 03-26-2009, 05:16 PM

I hate to bump this thread.... but it was already at the top so it's not a huge loss.

The opening poster of this thread, ghazi, is pulling some shtick on us I believe. Shtick that was born on spurstalk.com by a poster by the name of SpursDynasty. I know ghazi posts there as well so I guarantee he knows of SD. I'm beginning to wonder if ghazi IS SpursDynasty by his posts here.

tcat075 · 03-26-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Unfortunately I wouldn't count on Green getting consistent minutes or playing time, Hollins too for that matter. All I can hope for aside from that is the Mavs resigning him.

I'm not sure either get consistent everyday minutes, but I think Carlisle will go to either of them if he feels it is the right situation. Before, Carlisle wouldn't go to Hollins or Green even if they matched up really well with the opponents.

AxdemxO · 03-26-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Actually, no, you can't really learn shooting. Players can improve their shooting slightly. It's really a talent just like any other. Players can work with shooting coaches for years and improve their shooting only a little bit or not at all. Look around the league and you'll see that guys who are really good shooters have always been that way. And yeah, players like Wright are needed... on the bench. If the Mavs are going to compete for a championship, the Antoine Wrights of the league are just not going to cut it.

What exactly does Antoine Wright bring to this team that Marquis Daniels didn't? The guy is just another guard that can't shoot, and god knows we've had more than enough of those over the years. How exactly would he have helped in the Finals?

As for the "Negative Nancy" bit... I'm merely a passionate fan who is unhappy with the direction my team has taken. Two years ago this team was favored to win the title. Now we're perennial first-round losers. Am I not supposed to be pissed off?

WOW buddy...ease up a lil.

First off YES both of those guys are not that good of scorers but they can both IMO give you about 15 ppg.

BUT dont even try to say that Daniels didnt bring anything to this team or that even NOW he wouldn't. He is a good overall BB player just like Wright is. Actually the 2 guys are very close.

** A really bad point that you made is that Wright cant pass...really now?? Why does he have the ball soo much then?? He is actually a good passer. Maybe you should watch him play a little.

Kidd Karma · 03-26-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Well to be honest if wright were our starting 2 on this team...

Bdiddy
Wright
Someone(I'm thinking granger.

)
Dirk
Kaman..

I would be okay with it. He could concentrate on defense and shooting a corner three.

Our lack of other scoring options in the starting line-up gives me a pain.

Geez, Granger, Nets passed up on Granger for Wright in the draft years ago. Could have plugged him in at the 4.

LonghornDub · 03-26-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Actually, no, you can't really learn shooting. Players can improve their shooting slightly. It's really a talent just like any other. Players can work with shooting coaches for years and improve their shooting only a little bit or not at all. Look around the league and you'll see that guys who are really good shooters have always been that way. And yeah, players like Wright are needed... on the bench. If the Mavs are going to compete for a championship, the Antoine Wrights of the league are just not going to cut it.

Uh, Tony Parker sure as hell improved his shot. Considerably, not "slightly."

LonghornDub · 03-26-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by u2sarajevo

I hate to bump this thread.... but it was already at the top so it's not a huge loss.

The opening poster of this thread, ghazi, is pulling some shtick on us I believe. Shtick that was born on spurstalk.com by a poster by the name of SpursDynasty. I know ghazi posts there as well so I guarantee he knows of SD. I'm beginning to wonder if ghazi IS SpursDynasty by his posts here.

This is why I said ghazi's doing a bit--SD is exactly who he's imitating. I figured the people who have seen SD's posts (e.g. yourself) knew what I was talking about, and everyone else wouldn't know even if I explained it.

ghazi · 03-26-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Well to be honest if wright were our starting 2 on this team...

Bdiddy
Wright
Someone(I'm thinking granger.

)
Dirk
Kaman..

I would be okay with it. He could concentrate on defense and shooting a corner three.

Our lack of other scoring options in the starting line-up gives me a pain.

You know as much as people talk about how limited we are offensively all thing considered we ARE tied for 7th in the league in offensive efficiency. You look at the names like Wright/Kidd/Dampier in starting 5 and think the offense sputters but all things considered, our guys in blue have a decently efficient offense although not nearly as efficient as the Nelly days and even Avery days

Kaman and Davis are very inefficient players themselves though. I hate to use player efficiency rating as a measure but Dampier is actually having a better year than Kaman and Davis is having a worse year than Kidd.

It all starts with the D, our guys are 15th in the league. That won't get anything done. Our D is a bigger problem than the O.

We've also seen numerous example since the Kidd trade where the D ignites the transition game, so I'd imagine if our D was a little bit better the O would be even more efficient.

Dirkadirkastan · 03-26-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by u2sarajevo

I hate to bump this thread.... but it was already at the top so it's not a huge loss.

The opening poster of this thread, ghazi, is pulling some shtick on us I believe. Shtick that was born on spurstalk.com by a poster by the name of SpursDynasty. I know ghazi posts there as well so I guarantee he knows of SD. I'm beginning to wonder if ghazi IS SpursDynasty by his posts here.

No difference. It's old and boring whether he's trying to be serious or funny.

fluid.forty.one · 03-26-2009, 10:58 PM

Even more reason to officially get someone else to start the post game threads. Shtick or no shtick, it's bad for the forum.

Flacolaco · 03-26-2009, 11:16 PM

Someone else volunteer to start the next post game thread in a VERY timely fashion, and someone might think about deleting whatever ghazi throws out there.

Maybe...someone.

BGMaverick9 · 03-26-2009, 11:30 PM

If it's really that big of a deal to people...I guess it might actually be, then I'd consider doing it. I won't be here for EVERY game, but I will be for a majority. I know monty55555 and some other guys have nice recaps as well...if they want it, they can have it. I know GDTs definitely kicked me in the butt.

ghazi · 03-26-2009, 11:42 PM

I can see my beloved Mavs fans have scolded me and that my posting is not appreciated on this board. We've had a many laughs and cries together this year but it seems I was mistaken in thinking I was welcomed in the family of Mav fans.

Very well then

chumdawg · 03-26-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

I can see my beloved Mavs fans have scolded me and that my posting is not appreciated on this board. We've had a many laughs and cries together this year but it seems I was mistaken in thinking I was welcomed in the family of Mav fans.

Very well then

Your punishment is to go sit in the $2 seats.

BGMaverick9 · 03-27-2009, 12:06 AM

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Your punishment is to go sit in the $2 seats.

Hey now!

Not all of us get the luxury suites treatment...