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Aggie E · 07-06-2013, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

I'd take Bynum for the vets minimum.

Hahahaha, he wont sign for anywhere close to that. Some dumb team will give him 3/30..

Melonhead · 07-06-2013, 03:08 PM

I do not trust bynum. You're crazy if you think he will have his head on straight for next season. There is nothing that indicates that. I know Cuban is desperate at this point, but bynum ain't it.

stoble · 07-06-2013, 03:20 PM

His head imo is the least concern. The knees are what have me unsure about him. If his knees are good to go I'm all for it, but from what's been posted it doesn't sound like they are even close to healthy.

Ninkobei · 07-06-2013, 03:25 PM

Bynum = Lamar Odom 2.0. Buy in if you dare.

EricaLubarsky · 07-06-2013, 03:41 PM

If Bynum's knees are good, I STILL wonder how long it will be until he's injured again, but they aren't okay and it sounds like he may never get back to being even Eddie Curry.

scorched03 · 07-06-2013, 03:49 PM

sign pek
trade for barea
trade marion for varejo
vince for bogut and someone
trade for novak

then have the whitest team ever:
PG: calderon
SG: barea
SF: dirk
PF: bogut
C: Pek

yahyes · 07-06-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by scorched03

sign pek
trade for barea
trade marion for varejo
vince for bogut and someone
trade for novak

then have the whitest team ever:
PG: calderon
SG: barea
SF: dirk
PF: bogut
C: Pek

Lets get Luke Walton being our 6th man to spice it up.

spreedom · 07-06-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by scorched03

sign pek
trade for barea
trade marion for varejo
vince for bogut and someone
trade for novak

then have the whitest team ever:
PG: calderon
SG: barea
SF: dirk
PF: bogut
C: Pek

This one's the best.

pepe · 07-06-2013, 04:09 PM

If Bynum signs and he don't suit up, is tank all the way.

DisraeliGears · 07-06-2013, 05:28 PM

I gotta figure Bynum would play this season. If he screws 2 teams out of 2 seasons worth of paychecks he'll never make real money (non vet minimum) in the league ever again. Plus the Mavs would OBVIOUSLY have an out after a year in case of injury/insanity.

As I explained on pg 2, Bynum is a high upside/low downside signing for us, as long as we have an out after a year. If he's healthy/sane then great, get a top 5 center in the league. If he's unhealthy/insane then great, gives us an opportunity to secretly tank for a top 8ish pick.

I mean if we get Bynum and he's injured, then we're playing a starting line up of what, Jose/Scrub/Matrix/Dirk/J O'Neal? Realistically, these teams are worse than that:
Orlando
Charlotte
Suns
Kings
76ers
Bucks

Maybe:
Celtics
Hawks
Lakers

At worst that'd realistically be a top 10 pick, and top 5 if Dirk gets injured for any substantial length of time.

If we get Bynum and he's good, I'd say we'd have an outside chance to make the second round (upset Spurs or Rockets in Round 1 possibly)

#41 Shoot em up · 07-06-2013, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I disagree that Asik is a mediocre center. He just came off his first real year as a starter and pulled down a double-double average and is an elite defender.

"elite" defender?? Come on now

mqywaaah · 07-06-2013, 10:33 PM

Now this boy, he may not be an elite defender but he "gigged" on Shaq. Good enough for me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arGC4Bf_l-s

Bynum giggin

iella · 07-06-2013, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninkobei

Bynum = Lamar Odom 2.0. Buy in if you dare.

This. Between Odom and Fisher, I've sworn off former Lakers.

moogle · 07-06-2013, 11:47 PM

I don't like Bynum's attitude. His presence will not be good for the locker room. If the Mavs want to start a reclamation project for a center, they should be looking at Greg Oden.

moogle · 07-07-2013, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I disagree that Asik is a mediocre center. He just came off his first real year as a starter and pulled down a double-double average and is an elite defender.

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Originally Posted by #41 Shoot em up

"elite" defender?? Come on now

Omer Asik had an On/Off DefRtg differential of -5.8, which is very impressive.

It compares favorably against elite centers such as Marc Gasol (-6.9), Larry Sanders (-5.9), Joakim Noah (-5.1), Dwight Howard (-5.0), and Tim Duncan (-4.2).

For the record, Tyson Chandler was only -3.5 during our championship season. Last season, Chris Kaman was +1.7 and our "defensive specialist" Elton Brand was +0.1.

escobar317 · 07-07-2013, 12:40 AM

Would you guys rather spend 10 mil on Pek or Bynum?
Bonus. How much do you think Oden would go for?

marc9211 · 07-07-2013, 01:01 AM

Pek for sure oden maybe 3-5??

yahyes · 07-07-2013, 01:07 AM

Cuban made it clear he's not looking into RFA's though.

marc9211 · 07-07-2013, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

Cuban made it clear he's not looking into RFA's though.

True but I couldn't pass on pek if there's a chance.

escobar317 · 07-07-2013, 01:31 AM

Bucks only offered 6 mil and they just signed zaza.
Pek would be a good addition at around 8-9.

grndmstr_c · 07-07-2013, 01:37 AM

Seriously, people. Pek's not going to be available for what Dallas can offer as of right now. 8-9 per year isn't even going to be close to getting it done. He is not an option.

kg_veteran · 07-07-2013, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Seriously, people. Pek's not going to be available for what Dallas can offer as of right now. 8-9 per year isn't even going to be close to getting it done. He is not an option.

I agree.

Wang Zhi Zhi · 07-07-2013, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Seriously, people. Pek's not going to be available for what Dallas can offer as of right now. 8-9 per year isn't even going to be close to getting it done. He is not an option.

Unfortunately, the Harris signing took Pek off the table. The Zach Lowe article said Minny would have a hard time giving Pek more than $10MM, but we can no longer do that now that we've spent $10MM of our powder.

jthig32 · 07-07-2013, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Wang Zhi Zhi

Unfortunately, the Harris signing took Pek off the table. The Zach Lowe article said Minny would have a hard time giving Pek more than $10MM, but we can no longer do that now that we've spent $10MM of our powder.

If the Mavs truly thought 10Mil a year would have landed Pek, I think it's pretty safe to assume they would have done it.

oilfieldtrash · 07-07-2013, 09:05 AM

Couldn't they have tried Pek for 10m and come back to your Harris' of the world if it didn't work?

Underdog · 07-07-2013, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Couldn't they have tried Pek for 10m and come back to your Harris' of the world if it didn't work?

Pek is going to go for more than that... Plus, the Mavs can't really offer him more than his current team can anyway.

jthig32 · 07-07-2013, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Couldn't they have tried Pek for 10m and come back to your Harris' of the world if it didn't work?

Trying for Pek would have tied up all our space until 7/13. Hard to convince free agents to wait for that resolution.

oilfieldtrash · 07-07-2013, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Trying for Pek would have tied up all our space until 7/13. Hard to convince free agents to wait for that resolution.

Sometimes you gotta take the chance. Look at Houston. Hell we should be the ones with Asik's contract. Dirk, Asik on the cheap, add Calderon this year and you have yourself a playoff team.

mavs777 · 07-07-2013, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Sometimes you gotta take the chance. Look at Houston. Hell we should be the ones with Asik's contract. Dirk, Asik on the cheap, add Calderon this year and you have yourself a playoff team.

He was a backup in Chicago, ninny will match

oilfieldtrash · 07-07-2013, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

He was a backup in Chicago, ninny will match

I sure as hell would have found out how far they're willing to get into luxury tax to keep him.

Wang Zhi Zhi · 07-07-2013, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

If the Mavs truly thought 10Mil a year would have landed Pek, I think it's pretty safe to assume they would have done it.

Of course. But w/o Harris we could probably free up enough space (e.g., moving VC) to offer ~$12-13MM to Pek. Still no guarantees, and carries its own risks of course b/c of the delayed timing, but that would be interesting and not sure Minny would/could match.

moogle · 07-07-2013, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Sometimes you gotta take the chance. Look at Houston. Hell we should be the ones with Asik's contract. Dirk, Asik on the cheap, add Calderon this year and you have yourself a playoff team.

Chicago was over the luxury tax last summer. It would've been extremely difficult for them to match what Houston was offering. Especially since the Rockets were grossly overpaying for an unproven player who never averaged more than 3 pts and 5 rbs in any season. Plus the Bulls already had an All-Star center in Noah; they weren't going to drown themselves in luxury tax for a back up.

Pekovic's situation is completely different. The T-Wolves are nowhere near the luxury tax. They're not even over the cap, much less the luxury tax line. And Pekovic is neither a unproven, nor is he a backup. He is their starter, and he is already averaging 16/9. The Timberwolves will easily match the highest offer the Mavs can offer. Signing Pek to an offer sheet isn't "taking a chance". It's foolhardy. All it will accomplish is tie up the Mavs' entire cap room until July 13, at which point all the other free agents will be gone.

moogle · 07-07-2013, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Wang Zhi Zhi

Of course. But w/o Harris we could probably free up enough space (e.g., moving VC) to offer ~$12-13MM to Pek. Still no guarantees, and carries its own risks of course b/c of the delayed timing, but that would be interesting and not sure Minny would/could match.

The only way the Mavs could make that offer is by unloading VC, and NOT signing Devin Harris. What would the Mavs' roster look like then?

Marion, Dirk, Pek, Calderon.... and nobody else. No shooting guard. No 6th man. The rest of the roster will be rookies and players on veteran minimums.

Frankly, Pekovic is not good enough of a player to justify that kind of roster. He really isn't. I'd rather have VC, Harris, plus another $9M worth of free agents than Pekovic on his own. They can't go into a season with only 4 players and a bunch of players on minimum.

Underdog · 07-07-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by moogle

Frankly, Pekovic is not good enough of a player to justify that kind of roster. He really isn't. I'd rather have VC, Calderon, Harris, plus another $9M worth of free agents than Pekovic on his own.

Exactly. He's easily the best center available, but he's not worth sabotaging the rest of your roster over... In other words, he's no Dwight Howard.

Hell, he's not even really that good of a defender, which is crucial at his position. Putting him on the floor with Dirk and Calderon would be downright ugly.

Wang Zhi Zhi · 07-07-2013, 11:37 AM

I hear you, but right now we have only 8MM more of cap space, and Sarge is our starting center. And no true starting 2-guard. That isn't exactly a good result either.

LonghornDub · 07-07-2013, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Wang Zhi Zhi

I hear you, but right now we have only 8MM more of cap space, and Sarge is our starting center. And no true starting 2-guard. That isn't exactly a good result either.

I'm not sure that the lack of a traditional starting 2 is a big issue. They won a title without a legitimate starting-caliber 2. They had to mix and match with multi-PG lineups, a 2-guard who was the right size but not the right talent (DeShawn), and a 2-guard who was the right talent but not the right size (JET).

More generally, other than point guard, I don't think traditional position-based roles matter that much in today's NBA. As long as the Mavs have sufficient offensive and defensive talent, size, and at least one guy who can handle the ball primarily, I'm not sure it really matters how we label our players.

Scott McGuire · 07-07-2013, 12:53 PM

My guess on Pek is that it is all irrelevant. I believe they will match all the way up to the max like the Pacers did with Hibbert and NOLA did with Gordon.

They are just acting like a normal team with a really good but not superstar restricted free agent.

You wait and see the best offer you player can get and match. No one lets young good assets go for free unless they are a cheap franchise hitting the luxury tax.

This is NOT like Asik and Lin because he's played there 3 years and they have full bird rights. No poison pill possibilities. Minnesota wants to first use up all their capspace and then match his offer after over the cap.

So we have NO chance on Pek even if we traded Marion and offered him the 4/62+ max.

mac222b · 07-07-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by moogle

Chicago was over the luxury tax last summer. It would've been extremely difficult for them to match what Houston was offering. Especially since the Rockets were grossly overpaying for an unproven player who never averaged more than 3 pts and 5 rbs in any season. Plus the Bulls already had an All-Star center in Noah; they weren't going to drown themselves in luxury tax for a back up.

Pekovic's situation is completely different. The T-Wolves are nowhere near the luxury tax. They're not even over the cap, much less the luxury tax line. And Pekovic is neither a unproven, nor is he a backup. He is their starter, and he is already averaging 16/9. The Timberwolves will easily match the highest offer the Mavs can offer. Signing Pek to an offer sheet isn't "taking a chance". It's foolhardy. All it will accomplish is tie up the Mavs' entire cap room until July 13, at which point all the other free agents will be gone.

I have no idea where you came from moogle, but you're bringing valuable insights and info. Welcome, and +1 for using the term foolhardy

Must work that into a sentence somehow today...

mavs777 · 07-07-2013, 01:36 PM

The more I think about it the more I think it makes sense to take the chance on Bynum. I won't discuss the obvious here (the upside and risk and such) but one thing to keep in mind is mavs have only about 15 million committed to next year and the center position next year could be good in free agency (Wild thing, Pau,koufos, Bogut, Gortat, and Okafor) even if the Bynum thing doesn't work out the mavs will have plenty of money to spend on a solid center next year.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-07-2013, 01:39 PM

Well we absolutely HAVE to address the rebounding issue. If we don't get a center who averages at least 8-12 rebounds a game, then we're going to suffer from that same issue.