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ilMavvento · 02-13-2008, 03:43 PM

This is the end for the Dirk-era Mavs. It was fun while it lasted.

Dirkenstien · 02-13-2008, 03:43 PM

Man I really like the idea of adding Wright. He just turned 22 on the 6th and from what I've read about him he seems like a much better prospect than Ager. Hoopshype says:

He's 6-7, athletic, good outside shooter and has a high basketball IQ

Very nice.

Flacolaco · 02-13-2008, 03:44 PM

Antoine Wright:

7 ppg in 25 minutes per game?

My pants are on fire!!!

Flacolaco · 02-13-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Man I really like the idea of adding Wright. He just turned 22 on the 6th and from what I've read about him he seems like a much better prospect than Ager.

ESPN says he's 24?

fluid.forty.one · 02-13-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Did he teach JJB? The guy was as polished as he is now when he got here. The guy was playing international ball since he was like 16.

Anyway, I think the interesting thing is that many of the same people that were agreeing that this team deserved a fork, are crying now. If anything the optimists who thought we had a chance with Harris should be the only ones really crying.

I cant tell you how sad I am to see Diop and Harris gone-- this team was so ma and pa for a while, but there isn't any point in crying. Besides the negativity and pessimism about this teams chances was starting to develop inside me no matter how much I tried to stay optimistic. Maybe we needed a move and maybe this move will help us.

All I know is that we lost all chemistry there for a while and players weren't even trying. We kept Dirk and Howard. We still have sharpshooters in Terry and Dirk. We still have Howard to slash. We still have Damp who can really play inside with a good pass in to him. We still have Bass who is a power player like Kenyon Martin.

rep and amen

GO MAVS!!!!

atrewsfan · 02-13-2008, 03:49 PM

So we dump Nash because we didn't want to pay him x-amount of dollars when he would be in the latter part of his contract and old, and because we wanted to add Dampier to improve our post-D, then we turn around a few years later and get Kidd who's going to be paid x-amount of dollars in the latter years of his contract when he's old and dump Diop which will deprive us of a solid post defender. Brilliant....

Underdog · 02-13-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Man I really like the idea of adding Wright. He just turned 22 on the 6th and from what I've read about him he seems like a much better prospect than Ager. Hoopshype says:

He's 6-7, athletic, good outside shooter and has a high basketball IQ

Very nice.

Is he part of the deal?

What is the deal anyway???

Is George in or out?

Will Stack be coming back (or will he go join the Suns)?

LonghornDub · 02-13-2008, 03:51 PM

Antoine Wright was a stud at A&M. Not sure how many college hoops fans are here.

Of course, that doesn't mean he'll do much for us. But I'm just saying.

jthig32 · 02-13-2008, 03:53 PM

Antoine Wright for a future second round pick does help to explain all the extra cash and picks headed away in the main trade.

Wright can be a useful player, imo.

cjbcool · 02-13-2008, 03:53 PM

The object is to win it all, not get close. I think we will get close, but a failure non the less.
If we can't win now with this trade, what good was it?

Kidd can't mold Harris into a PG because he isn't on the team. We can't draft for a Center because we dont have first rounders. We dont have a DEEP bench anymore because we traded three of them to the NETS. We werent in a good money spot to begin with, but we now have to give NETS money.

Kidd doesnt have RJ and Vincanity to throw to. Some of the plays that Kidd makes are a product of their athleticsm. He wont have as many assists as he had in NJ.

I hope JJB has shown Avery something spectacular that he is willing to GIVE harris away like that.

And then you add the fact that many see King James coming there after his contract is up, and the Nets are in a good situation.

Flacolaco · 02-13-2008, 03:54 PM

Ok so Damp gets 2 quick fouls in the first....

What do you do?

bobatundi · 02-13-2008, 03:54 PM

I just hope that 2010 pick is lottery-protected, because we may be better for the next season or two, but after that, JJB will be our starting PG as of right now.

While I personally would rather have kept Harris, I understand the deal from a personnel & cash standpoint--it's the draft picks that really bother me. We are going to need to draft a PG to become the "heir" to Kidd.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-13-2008, 03:55 PM

I see Fazekas at back-up center.

LonghornDub · 02-13-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Antoine Wright for a future second round pick does help to explain all the extra cash and picks headed away in the main trade.

Wright can be a useful player, imo.

I think the Mavs are using the separate Wright trade to sort of counter-balance NJ's advantage on the first trade.

Wright was a lottery pick (15th overall) in 05. We just traded a second round pick for him. Maybe that helps counter a bit the cash and picks the Mavs threw in.

Underdog · 02-13-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Ok so Damp gets 2 quick fouls in the first....

What do you do?

Ju-Herp, baby!

Texas Hokie · 02-13-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Did he teach JJB? The guy was as polished as he is now when he got here. The guy was playing international ball since he was like 16.

Anyway, I think the interesting thing is that many of the same people that were agreeing that this team deserved a fork, are crying now. If anything the optimists who thought we had a chance with Harris should be the only ones really crying.

I cant tell you how sad I am to see Diop and Harris gone-- this team was so ma and pa for a while, but there isn't any point in crying. Besides the negativity and pessimism about this teams chances was starting to develop inside me no matter how much I tried to stay optimistic. Maybe we needed a move and maybe this move will help us.

All I know is that we lost all chemistry there for a while and players weren't even trying. We kept Dirk and Howard. We still have sharpshooters in Terry and Dirk. We still have Howard to slash. We still have Damp who can really play inside with a good pass in to him. We still have Bass who is a power player like Kenyon Martin.

Just because you think the Mavs were "done" as then-currently constructed, doesn't mean that you believe Jason Kidd is the answer. I did, and I don't. If the main problems remain unaddressed, this will accomplish nothing but making us older.

littlelibo · 02-13-2008, 03:56 PM

wow... a lot of negativity. I was not rooting for a trade, but come on...

1. all anyone ever does around here is complain about stack... we might even get him back.. if not, eddie jones is an ok replacement
2. Diop is ok, but not all that... Maybe we pick up someone with our mid-level
3. Kidd for Devin is an upgrade... period. He runs an offense better, rebounds better, and he allows us to play Terry at SG because of his size

Lets try being optimistic for once!!!!

Dirkadirkastan · 02-13-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cjbcool

We dont have a DEEP bench anymore because we traded three of them to the NETS.

I'm sick of the depth argument. Depth is a luxury for teams that have a killer starting lineup, which we didn't quite have. We had to start Eddie Jones, and if he's a starter, he doesn't count as depth.

Besides, our second unit always blows leads, no matter how big they are.

vinylstar · 02-13-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Ok so Damp gets 2 quick fouls in the first....

What do you do?

Nailed it!

Against most teams Bass might be good enough...against others with real C's...trouble...big trouble...

MFFL · 02-13-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Man I really like the idea of adding Wright. He just turned 22 on the 6th and from what I've read about him he seems like a much better prospect than Ager. Hoopshype says:

He's 6-7, athletic, good outside shooter and has a high basketball IQ

Very nice.

He's so awesome that the pathetic Nets didn't offer him a 4th year. We only get to see him until the end of the season and then he's a FA

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Nets don't pick up option on Wright's contract
Associated Press
Updated: October 26, 2007, 4:09 PM ET

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- The New Jersey Nets refused to pick up the fourth-year option on the contract of guard-forward Antoine Wright on Friday.

Wright will remain under contract this season and then become an unrestricted free agent.

"We are looking to have financial flexibility at the conclusion of the season," Nets president Rod Thorn said. "Antoine has worked very hard to become a rotation player, and we expect him to be a solid contributor during the upcoming season."

The 15th pick overall in the 2005 draft, Wright averaged 3.5 points and 2.0 rebounds in his first two seasons.

Usually Lurkin · 02-13-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Did he teach JJB? The guy was as polished as he is now when he got here. The guy was playing international ball since he was like 16.

jjb's definitely been improving.

Quote:

Maybe we needed a move and maybe this move will help us..

I'm pretty on the fence. It's a big gamble. I think bigger than staying pat, but big gambles sometimes mean big payoffs.

LonghornDub · 02-13-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

I'm sick of the depth argument. Depth is a luxury for teams that have a killer starting lineup, which we didn't quite have. We had to start Eddie Jones, and if he's a starter, he doesn't count as depth.

Besides, our second unit always blows leads, no matter how big they are.

One problem I see is that our starting lineup is now stacked but our 2nd unit is going to keep blowing leads. Who plays point, Barea? Lord help us.

Underdog · 02-13-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

I'm sick of the depth argument. Depth is a luxury for teams that have a killer starting lineup, which we didn't quite have. We had to start Eddie Jones, and if he's a starter, he doesn't count as depth.

MEMO TO DONNIE: we still need a legitimate starting 2-guard...

Make that happen & I'll learn to love this trade...

LonghornDub · 02-13-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

He's so awesome that the pathetic Nets didn't offer him a 4th year. We only get to see him until the end of the season and then he's a FA

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Nets don't pick up option on Wright's contract
Associated Press
Updated: October 26, 2007, 4:09 PM ET

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- The New Jersey Nets refused to pick up the fourth-year option on the contract of guard-forward Antoine Wright on Friday.

Wright will remain under contract this season and then become an unrestricted free agent.

"We are looking to have financial flexibility at the conclusion of the season," Nets president Rod Thorn said. "Antoine has worked very hard to become a rotation player, and we expect him to be a solid contributor during the upcoming season."

The 15th pick overall in the 2005 draft, Wright averaged 3.5 points and 2.0 rebounds in his first two seasons.

There's no such thing as a player who was bad ass in college, doesn't do much at his first team, but becomes a contributor on his second team?

Brandon Bass would like to speak with you.

LonghornDub · 02-13-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

MEMO TO DONNIE: we still need a legitimate starting 2-guard...

Make that happen & I'll learn to love this trade...

My money says we're getting Miller. I can feel it.

Usually Lurkin · 02-13-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

One problem I see is that our starting lineup is now stacked but our 2nd unit is going to keep blowing leads. Who plays point, Barea? Lord help us.

We can still use Terry the same way we have been. 2nd pg, and sg to finish the games off.

MFFL · 02-13-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

There's no such thing as a player who was bad ass in college, doesn't do much at his first team, but becomes a contributor on his second team?

Brandon Bass would like to speak with you.

And maybe Ager will be the steal of the entire trade.

Ain't likely though.

LSMF · 02-13-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Crippler

Golly gee, I'm looking forward to the day when Devin Harris lights us up for 20 and 10 now that f'n Avery Johnson is off of his back...

Now devin gets a chance to abuse avery johnson for all the screaming avery did

LonghornDub · 02-13-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

And maybe Ager will be the steal of the entire trade.

Ain't likely though.

So? We traded a second round pick for him. I'll take a guy who could be a Brandon Bass over a future second round pick. Who were we gonna draft with that?

Usually Lurkin · 02-13-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

And maybe Ager will be the steal of the entire trade.

Ain't likely though.

wouldn't that be the kicker. Just that sentence makes me miss Nellie for some reason.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-13-2008, 04:02 PM

This could be the best or worst trade in our history. Giving up a young pg who was nearly a star is really tough. I think I might tear up now...

Usually Lurkin · 02-13-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

So? We traded a second round pick for him. I'll take a guy who could be a Brandon Bass over a future second round pick. Who were we gonna draft with that?

Fazekas. Our new backup center.

DirkFTW · 02-13-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

We can still use Terry the same way we have been. 2nd pg, and sg to finish the games off.

If so, I hope Terry caught wind of some trade rumor and has intentionally played like a$$ to keep from being traded.

atrewsfan · 02-13-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

There's no such thing as a player who was bad ass in college, doesn't do much at his first team, but becomes a contributor on his second team?

Brandon Bass would like to speak with you.

Wright is a FA after the season. If he "contributes on his second team" for a few months, who cares? He's gone.

Big Boy Laroux · 02-13-2008, 04:05 PM

so much for the market being set by the gasol trade!

4 decent to good players for kidd. plus 2 first rounders and cash?

and 1 decent player for gasol.

i like kidd A LOT. and realized harris was probably going. And i'm not THAT attached to stack, ager, george, or diop. but it still seems like A LOT.

Underdog · 02-13-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

My money says we're getting Miller. I can feel it.

Damp/Fazekas/Allen
Dirk/Bass/Ju-Ho
Josh/George or Stack(???)
Miller/Terry/Jones
Kidd/Terry/JJB

That lineup makes me hard... A bit thin at center, but that's the only weakness (nothing new there!)

foglemann · 02-13-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Did he teach JJB? The guy was as polished as he is now when he got here. The guy was playing international ball since he was like 16.

Anyway, I think the interesting thing is that many of the same people that were agreeing that this team deserved a fork, are crying now. If anything the optimists who thought we had a chance with Harris should be the only ones really crying.

I cant tell you how sad I am to see Diop and Harris gone-- this team was so ma and pa for a while, but there isn't any point in crying. Besides the negativity and pessimism about this teams chances was starting to develop inside me no matter how much I tried to stay optimistic. Maybe we needed a move and maybe this move will help us.

All I know is that we lost all chemistry there for a while and players weren't even trying. We kept Dirk and Howard. We still have sharpshooters in Terry and Dirk. We still have Howard to slash. We still have Damp who can really play inside with a good pass in to him. We still have Bass who is a power player like Kenyon Martin.

Great post Erica, awesome, gettin me fired up.

Look, I love Diop, always have, even wanted us to draft him.

We all must realize he wasn't going to resign with us. Someone was/is going to give Diop more money and he would have been gone next year, for nothing. At least we get some value out of him now, since Avery had decided to bench for about a month.

Giving up Devin sucks, but how much better was he going to get with Avery and with his age/experience. He always was pushed around by Avery and never got respect he deserved. This is his 4th year, will he ever get to 20/10? Doubt it and I doubt he would on this team, with this coach, with Dirk in his prime, which is only another few years.

The time is now. Win now. F the future, Dirk can't wait forever. And neither can I...

Usually Lurkin · 02-13-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

If so, I hope Terry caught wind of some trade rumor and has intentionally played like a$$ to keep from being traded.

It may have just worked out for him.

Dirkenstien · 02-13-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Antoine Wright:

7 ppg in 25 minutes per game?

My pants are on fire!!!

You can't expect a youngin like Wright to average very many points when he's playing with Carter, Jefferson and Kidd.

MFFL · 02-13-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

So? We traded a second round pick for him. I'll take a guy who could be a Brandon Bass over a future second round pick. Who were we gonna draft with that?

I wouldn't mind adding a player like Big Baby over in Boston - he was a second. In fact the draft is littered with good solid players in the second.

I don't want to WASTE a second just to take a look at a guy for a couple of months.