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Skywalker · 12-08-2010, 06:56 AM

"Mahinmi's eight free throws in this game match how many Haywood has made all season."

Wow.

Bayliss · 12-08-2010, 08:00 AM

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"Mahinmi's eight free throws in this game match how many Haywood has made all season."

It is hard to make free throws when you are a corpse.

Dirk's rebounding is an issue. Part of it is what Hawaii Five-O said. Part of it is with all the ankle sprains Dirk doesn't have the lift anymore. He can still dunk in open space. But he isn't quick off the ground like he used to be. And that extra second, and that extra couple of inches (right Sike?

) really does make a difference. I saw a defender tip the ball out of Dirk's hands twice tonight. In years past, Dirk easily secures that rebound.

Murphy3 · 12-08-2010, 09:39 AM

Honestly, I think he's at the point to where his rebounding is going to be based on need. If he and the Mavs can get by with him exerting less effort on the glass, then that's probably what will occur. Much of that has to do with who's around him.

dude1394 · 12-08-2010, 10:02 AM

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"Mahinmi's eight free throws in this game match how many Haywood has made all season."

Wow.

It sure is a blessing that chandler arrived. Can you imagine the hack-a-wood that would be going on if haywood was asked to play in tight games. 25%....what a whip... You can be sure the rest of the team knows that if they throw it down to wood, it's as good as a turnover.

The other team is crazy not to pummell him as soon as he gets the ball.

Funkman · 12-08-2010, 10:12 AM

Ajinca pointed out that the third member of Dallas' French Connection, injured guard Rodrigue Beaubois, scored 40 points against the Warriors last season.

"I guess French guys don't like Golden State," Ajinca said, laughing.

sike · 12-08-2010, 10:22 AM

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I don't like looking at rebounds per game. Instead, it is better to look at PERCENTAGE of total rebounds collected.

I tend to agree with this. Its not about how many rebounds...but how many of the available rebounds you there were to be had that you grabbed.

Underdog · 12-08-2010, 10:28 AM

This is our 8th double-digit winning streak since 00-01, tied with the Spurs for most in the league (the Suns and Pistons are a distant second at 5 each...)

sike · 12-08-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Honestly, I think he's at the point to where his rebounding is going to be based on need. If he and the Mavs can get by with him exerting less effort on the glass, then that's probably what will occur. Much of that has to do with who's around him.

There are probably several factors that go into it:

past injuries, lack of desire, not as much need for it when you play along side Marion, Chanwood, etc....

But I agree with Murph, let the playoffs roll around and he'll be back to his 9-11 per.

sike · 12-08-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

This is our 8th double-digit winning streak since 00-01, tied with the Spurs for most in the league (the Suns and Pistons are a distant second at 5 each...)

good note +rep

sike · 12-08-2010, 10:40 AM

I'm glad to see someone pointing this out. Caron has been MUCH better the past week at adding a solid contribution...averaging over 16per and shooting over 50% Very encouraging. I hope he can keep pushing that trade value higher until the deadline (and help us keep winning in the meantime).

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Quite pleased with Caron's contributions tonight. Not a perfect game by any stretch, but the energy was there, the execution (on both ends of the court) was solid, and most importantly he seemed to be making quick decisions with the ball. The team really needs that from him.

Funkman · 12-08-2010, 10:43 AM

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Rhylan mentioned this on Monday and we're noticing it a LOT more now...

Does anyone else notice Jet is running out/leaking out a lot more lately and it's triggering an easy fast break opportunity? It happened at least 2-3 times tonight successfully, maybe even another instance or two where it really didn't get a chance to work.

I might be in the minority, but I haven't been impressed with Jet's defense. It's the same old thing. Run around and play free safety, every now and then get lucky and get a steal. Not even in the same zip code as the man he's supposed to be guarding most of the time. And I know you don't play a man when playing zone. But even in zone he just seems to wander and do his own thing.

The snow birding is just an extension of this. To heck with trying for a rebound or boxing an opponent out, just take off for our goal. My question is, is it due to the quality of the team we are playing? Or is this a trend that is only going to get worse?

b_o_r · 12-08-2010, 10:43 AM

Dirk's rebounding hasn't been the same since midway during last year campaign. I want to say it was against the Grizzlies but I'm not sure (it was before the elbow injury) but he came down hard on his hip/lower back area after he was fouled.

Underdog · 12-08-2010, 10:45 AM

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good note

Our 8th double-digit game winning streak in the last decade is made even more impressive when you consider that it's our 9th in franchise history...

sike · 12-08-2010, 10:53 AM

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Our 8th double-digit game winning streak in the last decade is made even more impressive when you consider that it's our 9th in franchise history...

I can't rep you anymore right now..so stop showing off!

Its hard to believe that 80s team didn't rip of a few. wow.

xrobx · 12-08-2010, 10:54 AM

in the pistons game a couple weeks ago dirk had 12 rebounds, so it's not like he's not capable of rebounding.

Underdog · 12-08-2010, 10:55 AM

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I might be in the minority, but I haven't been impressed with Jet's defense. It's the same old thing. Run around and play free safety, every now and then get lucky and get a steal. Not even in the same zip code as the man he's supposed to be guarding most of the time. And I know you don't play a man when playing zone. But even in zone he just seems to wander and do his own thing.

That's exactly what our zone was intended to do - with Chandler holding down the middle, JET has a lot more freedom to take risks around the perimeter. It not only masks Terry's limitations as a defender, but also takes advantage of his strengths, hence the high amount of steals and fast breaks...

I'm sure it will eventually come around to bite us in the butt during certain match-ups, but it hasn't so far (and hopefully Roddy will come back before it does...)

sike · 12-08-2010, 10:59 AM

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(and hopefully Roddy will come back before it does...)

Funkman · 12-08-2010, 11:23 AM

But UD, he was doing it before we went to a zone this year. Last year he was doing it.
So did we go to this zone because he was never going to change and we had to survive him somehow?

Plus could you please tell me what his defensive strengths are? Besides not being as big a liability as Barea (not by much), I can't come up with one.

Underdog · 12-08-2010, 11:52 AM

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But UD, he was doing it before we went to a zone this year. Last year he was doing it.
So did we go to this zone because he was never going to change and we had to survive him somehow?

Plus could you please tell me what his defensive strengths are? Besides not being as big a liability as Barea (not by much), I can't come up with one.

He's always been decent at stealing the ball - as long as somebody like Tyson Chandler is holding down the center, JET can take those risks because he's not giving his man a clear path to the basket when he misses.

Sure he played like that before we switched to zone, but now it's not killing us.

sefant77 · 12-08-2010, 11:55 AM

I wanna see at least 10 such games from Ian before i jump on the bandwagon and declare Haywood useless.

Underdog · 12-08-2010, 11:59 AM

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I wanna see at least 10 such games from Ian before i jump on the bandwagon and declare Haywood useless.

You're not going to see 10 more games from Mahinmi as long as Chandwood is healthy... But Carlisle sees enough in practice to know who is and isn't worth their salt, so if Haywood gets shipped, it's because he knows Ian can handle the responsibility - we probably won't see it coming...

dalger · 12-08-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Honestly, I think he's at the point to where his rebounding is going to be based on need. If he and the Mavs can get by with him exerting less effort on the glass, then that's probably what will occur. Much of that has to do with who's around him.

That's a good point. It's certainly possible that Dirk isn't the rebounder he used to be at 32. That said, I've always been under the impression that he can increase his intensity and effort based on how much it's actually needed. His playoff stats (almost 11 RPG compared to 8.5 RPG during the regular season) actually support your observation.

As long as it doesn't hurt us in a way that we lose games because of poor rebounding on Dirk's behalf, I'm perfectly fine with him using less energy for rebounding and using it on the offensive end instead.

Murphy3 · 12-08-2010, 12:21 PM

At this point, he's needed so much more for what he provides offensively. He is getting older and something has to take a bit of a back seat. With Chandler and Marion helping out on the glass, I think Dirk sees an opportunity to base his rebounding upon need instead of busting his butt on every single play. Yeah, that does sound like he's loafing it..but, he's been in the league a long time. If he wants to have anything left for the post season, he's gotta do what he's gotta do. If the wins are coming with the decreased boards, then so be it. Save a little for the post season.

Rick41 · 12-08-2010, 12:27 PM

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Our 8th double-digit game winning streak in the last decade is made even more impressive when you consider that it's our 9th in franchise history...

It's been a pretty good decade.

Murphy3 · 12-08-2010, 12:38 PM

Don't get me wrong... 2 rebounds isn't good enough. I'm more or less talking about what I see from the guy over the past year.

dude1394 · 12-08-2010, 01:05 PM

I have to disagree about jet's defense. I think it is significantly better, in fact I think most of the non-defensive-type players are stepping up that way.

Underdog · 12-08-2010, 01:16 PM

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I have to disagree about jet's defense. I think it is significantly better, in fact I think most of the non-defensive-type players are stepping up that way.

It certainly does seem like the entire squad has bought into Carlisle's defense-first mentality - I don't see a lack of effort from anyone on that end of the court, regardless of their actual abilities as a defender...

Even Barea's defense has improved (it's not good, but it's better...)

sike · 12-08-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

I have to disagree about jet's defense. I think it is significantly better, in fact I think most of the non-defensive-type players are stepping up that way.

I definitely see defensive effort from JT...he isn't great (or even good) at keeping a man in front of him, but with solid Centers behind him his ability to play the passing lane has increased value compared to past seasons.

mavs777 · 12-08-2010, 01:22 PM

I love dirk obviously he is playing the best on the offensive end and he is playing as good as ever at the defensive end, though he will always struggle at being a rim defender which is why we have TC. But with rebounding for Dirk i think its a lack of effort there were about 3 easy boards he missed because it looked like he was stuck in the ground and barely reached with his hands

grndmstr_c · 12-08-2010, 01:24 PM

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I definitely see defensive effort from JT...he isn't great (or even good) at keeping a man in front of him, but with solid Centers behind him his ability to play the passing lane has increased value compared to past seasons.

I think this is the right read on JET's improved defensive play this year. The additional mobility at the center spot this year is both masking his deficiencies (which are well documented) and allowing him to play up his strengths (which are less well-documented but no less real).

SMC0007 · 12-08-2010, 01:40 PM

I'm not sure anyone (offseason pickups) could have effected this team more positively than Chandler. I haven't seen Dirk block as many shots and go after as many blocks that he has this year. Those 4 last night were awesome to see, especially the one on Lee late in the game. He is still swiping at balls on the way up but I love that he is using his size to defend and block closer to the rim!

I don't really know a whole lot about their game before coming here but Ian and Ajinca both look to me like inexperienced semi-clones of Chandler perhaps with more offensive ability as far as shooting touch.

Imo RC is partly responsible but Chandler gets more credit for the change in mentality on the court from the other players.

Funkman · 12-08-2010, 02:09 PM

I do agree that Jet's defensive effort this year is much better. I never meant to imply that he wasn't trying. I just see marginally better results. But then maybe I look at the negatives more than the positives in his defense since it has aggrevated me for years. And I do agree that having Chandler back there does help cover a lot of mistakes.

dalger · 12-08-2010, 02:09 PM

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But with rebounding for Dirk i think its a lack of effort there were about 3 easy boards he missed because it looked like he was stuck in the ground and barely reached with his hands

But as Murphy said, this might as well just be a case of Dirk intentionally not going for every single battle of the boards to save some energy for the more important games. I've yet to see a playoff game where Dirk didn't show the necessary effort. He'll probably be fine. In addition, Dirk's one of the more unselfish players in the league. If there's a teammate next to him, he'll gladly let that teammate grab the rebound. TC is completely different in that respect and has that mindset to never give up a single rebound simply because the paint is his territory and rebounding a fundamental part of his job description.

rabbitproof · 12-08-2010, 02:20 PM

Dirk is keying more on defense I think.

He's also having to play further from the basket than before as teams are taking away his inside stuff.

Having him far away and hitting at such a clip also opens up the inside for cuts and lobs.

In shorter words... it's working out!

Kidd Karma · 12-08-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'm not sure anyone (offseason pickups) could have effected this team more positively than Chandler. I haven't seen Dirk block as many shots and go after as many blocks that he has this year. Those 4 last night were awesome to see, especially the one on Lee late in the game. He is still swiping at balls on the way up but I love that he is using his size to defend and block closer to the rim!

I don't really know a whole lot about their game before coming here but Ian and Ajinca both look to me like inexperienced semi-clones of Chandler perhaps with more offensive ability as far as shooting touch.

Imo RC is partly responsible but Chandler gets more credit for the change in mentality on the court from the other players.

Haha, Tyson forced RC's hand, the guy probably dominated practices, where all the guys was able to see the difference he made on the court.

BGMaverick9 · 12-08-2010, 03:39 PM

If you didn't see my tweet
A) shame on you
B) you should

Tyson Chandler was back at practice today and participated in practice. He's not 100% but they're hopeful he will play.

There will be an article on MMB later today.

dude1394 · 12-08-2010, 04:15 PM

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I love dirk obviously he is playing the best on the offensive end and he is playing as good as ever at the defensive end, though he will always struggle at being a rim defender which is why we have TC. But with rebounding for Dirk i think its a lack of effort there were about 3 easy boards he missed because it looked like he was stuck in the ground and barely reached with his hands

Did you notice what period that was?? I noticed that the dirkster came down really awkwardly once while going for a rebound and grimaced for quite a while. He didn't seem to land on anyone's feet, just came down funny.

I thought it was a tweaked back or some sort of hip issue. He didn't come out and he didn't milk it a lot but it seemed to effect him a little bit.

dude1394 · 12-08-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'm not sure anyone (offseason pickups) could have effected this team more positively than Chandler. I haven't seen Dirk block as many shots and go after as many blocks that he has this year. Those 4 last night were awesome to see, especially the one on Lee late in the game. He is still swiping at balls on the way up but I love that he is using his size to defend and block closer to the rim!

I don't really know a whole lot about their game before coming here but Ian and Ajinca both look to me like inexperienced semi-clones of Chandler perhaps with more offensive ability as far as shooting touch.

Imo RC is partly responsible but Chandler gets more credit for the change in mentality on the court from the other players.

Have you noticed that dirk really only goes for blocks when it's late in the game and is really needed? I don't know if he's really, really conscious of not getting hurt (coming down on a foot, getting tripped, etc.) or he just doesn't want to risk a foul early...he still gets those strip fouls.

But when it comes to the fourth and someones trying to put it in the hole, he definitely tries to block it much more than during the first of the game, imo.

Maringa · 12-08-2010, 05:24 PM

It seems like in the last 4-5 games that the Mavs are simply content to maintain a 4-8 pt lead or being behind up until about 3 minutes into the 4th quarter....That is when they turn on the heat and play hard. This strategy seems to work...Maintain a reasonably constant level of energy (say 75% effort) and then pull all stops at the end and win the game...It's not what we are used to, but works with this team. 75% effort for this team, due to our talent and bench play, is probably better than 75% of the NBA teams.

This strategy reduces foul problems, potential energy problems, and reflective of the age of our team.

Kidd Karma · 12-08-2010, 06:38 PM

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I have to disagree about jet's defense. I think it is significantly better, in fact I think most of the non-defensive-type players are stepping up that way.

Defense is about effort, does it mean he wasn't trying in the past, probably for good reason, saving his leg on the offensive end, now that we have Butler, Chandler, he feels he can exude more energy on the defensive end. With Stevenson helping for 10-15 a night, that's more time off Jets legs.