Post Game Thread @Bobcats: 12th time's not the charm...Mavs 89 Cats 84 - Page 3 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Usually Lurkin · 03-02-2010, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Is this common in Germany?

It may just mean I need more sleep, but this made me laugh.

mac222b · 03-02-2010, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

Jordan looked like an old pimp tonight.

Dudes a creep. he's always been a little tacky and tactless. i'll root for a classy guy like Dirk or LeBron any day over that scumbag

mac222b · 03-02-2010, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Haywood played extremely lazy and soft tonight. Not happy with his play tonight.

Marion continues to blow lay-ups and toss up weak floaters.

Terry was garbage for 3 quarters, but showed up for the 4th.

Kidd has played really stupidly for a smart player the last 2 games. I can excuse him missing open threes. But I can't excuse the awful passes or things like not giving it to Dirk when he's right there and we know they need to foul.

Butler was great. Maybe his best game here.

Dirk was great. His D has been fantastic as of late. Crashed the boards hard too.

Still, very very very good win all things considering. Especially when only 2 1/4 players had good games.

agree with all of this. could not believe Kidd didn't give it to Dirk and then proceeded to miss the ft's! Dirk's only shooting what? 96-97% in the 4th on ft's...

xrobx · 03-02-2010, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by pkdumas

We are currently #2 in the West because we've played more games (1) than Denver, right? In the loss column we are tied... and don't they own the tie-breaker meaning they technically control their destiny for the #2 seed for now?

good thing we're in the midst of a 15+ game win streak and they're losing games left and right. tie breaker won't matter by then.

LonghornDub · 03-02-2010, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by pkdumas

We are currently #2 in the West because we've played more games (1) than Denver, right? In the loss column we are tied... and don't they own the tie-breaker meaning they technically control their destiny for the #2 seed for now?

We're 1-1 against Denver with one more game remaining, in Dallas. So, that game will determine the tiebreaker.

Unfortunately, we are 1-2 against Utah with one game remaining in Utah, so to have the tiebreaker over Utah, we have to not only win that game but also finish with a better conference record.

mac222b · 03-02-2010, 02:12 AM

tonite was significant in that Caron looked the most comfortable he has in a Mavs uni yet. so nice to have another reliable scorer that can get to the line! and the team hasn't even fully integrated him yet. he brings what the good Stack brought us, a guy that you can run an iso for and he really bullies his way to the hoop. a physical presence. maybe Paul Pierce is a better analogy. btw Dirk is playing at an extremely high level on both sides. his passing out of the double team has been superb,guys just missed wide open 3's tonite. really appreciate what the big German brings. what an extraordinary player.

CadBane · 03-02-2010, 02:43 AM

Excellent point Mac. There's a couple games lately where Dirk easily has 5-10 assists if guys hit their open J's. I swear, it seems like Kidd and Jet shoot 20% on open threes out of Dirk doubles. If they hit those it makes doubling Dirk a lot harder.

dalger · 03-02-2010, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

We're 1-1 against Denver with one more game remaining, in Dallas. So, that game will determine the tiebreaker.

Unfortunately, we are 1-2 against Utah with one game remaining in Utah, so to have the tiebreaker over Utah, we have to not only win that game but also finish with a better conference record.

Well, we don't seem to have another game against Utah, so that tiebreaker is in the Jazz' favor. When we face the Nuggets for the third time in late March, they're on the second night of a back-to-back having played in Orlando the day before. So, on paper, that doesn't look all too bad, even though Denver is a dangerous team and legit contender imo.

LonghornDub · 03-02-2010, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dalger

Well, we don't seem to have another game against Utah, so that tiebreaker is in the Jazz' favor. When we face the Nuggets for the third time in late March, they're on the second night of a back-to-back having played in Orlando the day before. So, on paper, that doesn't look all too bad, even though Denver is a dangerous team and legit contender imo.

My mistake, I thought I had read that we had one more game @ Utah in April, but I must have read incorrectly. In that case, yes, we've already lost the tiebreaker with Utah.

Dirkadirkastan · 03-02-2010, 03:54 AM

I would advise people not to assume a 15-game win streak. Even if you figure the Mavs are 90% favorites to win each of the next seven individual games, there would be less than 50% chance they win all seven.

As for the Jazz tiebreaker... we would lose if we're deciding #2 vs. #3, but not #3 vs. #4.

quietsavant · 03-02-2010, 04:05 AM

Anyone happen to have a link to the caron butler crossover on gerald wallace? it didn't make sportscenter top 10.

fluid.forty.one · 03-02-2010, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by quietsavant

Anyone happen to have a link to the caron butler crossover on gerald wallace? it didn't make sportscenter top 10.

I would love to see this as well.

LSMF · 03-02-2010, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

I would advise people not to assume a 15-game win streak. Even if you figure the Mavs are 90% favorites to win each of the next seven individual games, there would be less than 50% chance they win all seven.

As for the Jazz tiebreaker... we would lose if we're deciding #2 vs. #3, but not #3 vs. #4.

Good Point, I really hope we can go on a 15 game win streak but I don't like how folks are assuming that its just gunna happen. It would be nice if we make it to 15 wins in a row but we have to remember that this is the Nba and any team can win on any given night.

Unless you're the New Jersey Nets...

jthig32 · 03-02-2010, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

In fairness Hollinger admitted that the trade made us marginally better. His criticism was that for all the salary we picked up we were still not as good as the Lakers or the Nuggets. I think he was wrong about that too (at least the Nuggets part), just throwing that out there as a point of clarification.

He has been pretty dismissive of us this year though. It bothered me early in the season then it started to look like he was right. I'm curious to see if he'll take a Mavs question in Thursday's chat session.

But as I said at the time in response to Hollinger's article, he really over inflates the notion of how much salary we picked up. Butler for $10 mil next season is a good, positive contract. Rolling that into Stevenson's contract and making the point that we added $30 mil of pay roll is pretty disingenuous.

Assuming we would have replaced Josh's salary slot somehow (which seems like a pretty safe assumption), here's what the trade really added, in terms of salary that was probably not preferable.

Increased our payroll this season by about $2.2 mil, plus same amount in luxury tax (but remember that Washington sent us cash considerations in the trade, how much has not been reported, I don't think).

Increased our payroll next season by $3mil (adding Stevenson, subtracting Ross), which will also add to the luxury tax..

That sounds a lot different than "added $30 mil in payroll", doesn't it?

jthig32 · 03-02-2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

We're 1-1 against Denver with one more game remaining, in Dallas. So, that game will determine the tiebreaker.

Unfortunately, we are 1-2 against Utah with one game remaining in Utah, so to have the tiebreaker over Utah, we have to not only win that game but also finish with a better conference record.

For the #2 seed. If the battle ends up being for the #3 seed, we'll own the tie breaker over either Denver or Utah, because we'll be a division champ.

dude1394 · 03-02-2010, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by aurelino9

The two missed foul shots also indicate he didn't have his legs under him. 3 hours? That's rough.

Dirks says screw it. I got 7 hours, that's plenty.

Mavsfan4ever · 03-02-2010, 09:33 AM

This always confuses me. If we end the season with the number two seed and Utah with number four and faced Utah in the second round would we have home court advantage?

jthig32 · 03-02-2010, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

This always confuses me. If we end the season with the number two seed and Utah with number four and faced Utah in the second round would we have home court advantage?

Um...yes?

Why wouldn't we?

Mavsfan4ever · 03-02-2010, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Um...yes?

Why wouldn't we?

It was the fact that Utah held the tie breaker that threw me.

CATCH-17 · 03-02-2010, 09:42 AM

I just hope we can get around playing Denver in the playoffs.

Let someone else deal with that bunch because I dont think Dallas has the depth to beat them. Doubt we could stop Chauncey either.

Im more scared of Denver than I am LA.

Dirkadirkastan · 03-02-2010, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

This always confuses me. If we end the season with the number two seed and Utah with number four and faced Utah in the second round would we have home court advantage?

#2 doesn't face #4 in the second round.

monty55555 · 03-02-2010, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

AH- it's also at NBA.com, and badfish just needed to select the right pic!!!

Haha! Exactly! I think badfish didn't realize it.

Day1MavsFan · 03-02-2010, 10:12 AM

Yeah, if Denver drops to fourth and Utah moves up to third, wouldn't that be the best scenario for us? Or, should we fear Utah more than Denver?

dude1394 · 03-02-2010, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

agree with all of this. could not believe Kidd didn't give it to Dirk and then proceeded to miss the ft's! Dirk's only shooting what? 96-97% in the 4th on ft's...

Yea but I'm glad he's being more aggressive offensively. We really need him to be a little bit more of a threat. When he is, his savant-like passing really makes a difference. So I kinda liked him taking those, unfortunately he missed 'em...so hopefully it will not dampen his offensive aggressiveness.

dude1394 · 03-02-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

I would advise people not to assume a 15-game win streak. Even if you figure the Mavs are 90% favorites to win each of the next seven individual games, there would be less than 50% chance they win all seven.

As for the Jazz tiebreaker... we would lose if we're deciding #2 vs. #3, but not #3 vs. #4.

Ah pshaw.... get off my wagon!!!!

BGMaverick9 · 03-02-2010, 01:43 PM

What would really be something is if we stick at #2 and the Nuggets drop to the 4 seed. A lot of people would be pissed about that (not me), to see the Lakers play the Nuggets in the Semis...I wouldn't mind one bit.

sike · 03-02-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by quietsavant

Anyone happen to have a link to the caron butler crossover on gerald wallace? it didn't make sportscenter top 10.

It was a nice play.

sike · 03-02-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

But as I said at the time in response to Hollinger's article, he really over inflates the notion of how much salary we picked up. Butler for $10 mil next season is a good, positive contract. Rolling that into Stevenson's contract and making the point that we added $30 mil of pay roll is pretty disingenuous.

Assuming we would have replaced Josh's salary slot somehow (which seems like a pretty safe assumption), here's what the trade really added, in terms of salary that was probably not preferable.

Increased our payroll this season by about $2.2 mil, plus same amount in luxury tax (but remember that Washington sent us cash considerations in the trade, how much has not been reported, I don't think).

Increased our payroll next season by $3mil (adding Stevenson, subtracting Ross), which will also add to the luxury tax..

That sounds a lot different than "added $30 mil in payroll", doesn't it?

thanks for simply stating this...a lot of people probably didn't realize that this deal wasn't just the Mavs taking back insane amounts of salary.

horse900703 · 03-02-2010, 02:44 PM

another come back win! good job guys, get some rest!

rmacomic · 03-02-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Day1MavsFan

Yeah, if Denver drops to fourth and Utah moves up to third, wouldn't that be the best scenario for us? Or, should we fear Utah more than Denver?

I fear NO ONE!!!

BGMaverick9 · 03-02-2010, 03:36 PM

Random thought:
I wonder what Josh is thinking...he sees his former team doing better now that he's gone. His option likely won't get picked up by the Wizards so he's going into a buyer's market in the summer...but oh wait, he'll be coming off a terrible season and a torn ACL.

Kidd Karma · 03-02-2010, 03:53 PM

Nice win without much sleep, look what happened to NO, never bothered to show up at home against San Antonio. They probably had their own beds and an extra hour.

monty55555 · 03-02-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

What would really be something is if we stick at #2 and the Nuggets drop to the 4 seed. A lot of people would be pissed about that (not me), to see the Lakers play the Nuggets in the Semis...I wouldn't mind one bit.

This is what I have been hoping for. I hope the Mavs continue to win. Utah gets more wins than Denver. Denver plays LA in the 2nd round.

DallasMavs_41 · 03-02-2010, 05:51 PM

Hey guys, first post here, been a fan since probably around 03-04. Thought tonight's win was good. Dirk was on, Jet came in clutch, and Caron found his stroke. GO MAVS!!!

sike · 03-02-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DallasMavs_41

Hey guys, first post here, been a fan since probably around 03-04. Thought tonight's win was good. Dirk was on, Jet came in clutch, and Caron found his stroke. GO MAVS!!!

great first post!

Thomas86 · 03-02-2010, 07:14 PM

Wow I thought the Mavs where gonna just fold and lose but they still won.....I really like this team, if the Mavs make it back to the finals I'm gonna make sure I enjoy it this time because I wasn't able to in 2006 because of all the school work I had to do.

Oh and I have a feeling the Spurs might put the Nuggets out the playoffs because I don't think the Spurs fear the Nuggets at all.

badfish22 · 03-02-2010, 08:30 PM

Carlisle podcast: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?...allsign=KESNFM

jcm28 · 03-02-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Random thought:
I wonder what Josh is thinking...he sees his former team doing better now that he's gone. His option likely won't get picked up by the Wizards so he's going into a buyer's market in the summer...but oh wait, he'll be coming off a terrible season and a torn ACL.

He's probably smoking some pot.

mavErika · 03-03-2010, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by quietsavant

Anyone happen to have a link to the caron butler crossover on gerald wallace? it didn't make sportscenter top 10.

It's the "play of the day" in the foxsportssouthwest video highlights of that game.

mavErika · 03-03-2010, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

I would advise people not to assume a 15-game win streak. Even if you figure the Mavs are 90% favorites to win each of the next seven individual games, there would be less than 50% chance they win all seven.

As for the Jazz tiebreaker... we would lose if we're deciding #2 vs. #3, but not #3 vs. #4.

I know it's not likely, eventually some team will catch them off-guard, and therefore I don't assume a 15+ winning streak, but the way they've been playing, there's certainly the possibility (and the goal) to stay on the winning ways for some more time. In fact, looking at the remaining schedule, they very well could have a perfect month March and end up with 20+ consecutive wins. They probably won't(and I really don't care about the win-distribution as long as the Mavs win about 90%of their games), but that remaining schedule sure screams "#2 seat". Depending on the health situation around C.Paul and B.Roy, and given their road-record, the Mavs could be favorites for every single game from here on out to the playoffs. How crazy is that?!
This is from another thread:

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Tonight VS OKC

Wed, Feb 17 Phoenix Suns vs Phoenix (31-22) 9:00 pm EST

Fri, Feb 19 Orlando Magic @ Orlando (36-18) 8:00 pm EST

Sat, Feb 20 Miami Heat vs Miami (26-27) 8:30 pm EST

Mon, Feb 22 Indiana Pacers vs Indiana (18-34) 8:30 pm EST

Wed, Feb 24 Los Angeles Lakers vs LA Lakers (41-13) 9:00 pm EST

Fri, Feb 26 Atlanta Hawks @ Atlanta (33-18) 7:00 pm EST

Sun, Feb 28 New Orleans Hornets vs New Orleans (28-25) 9:30 pm EST

March 2010

Mon, Mar 1 Charlotte Bobcats @ Charlotte (26-25) 7:00 pm EST

Wed, Mar 3 Minnesota Timberwolves vs Minnesota (13-40) 8:30 pm EST

Fri, Mar 5 Sacramento Kings vs Sacramento (18-34) 8:30 pm EST

Sat, Mar 6 Chicago Bulls @ Chicago (25-26) 8:00 pm EST

Mon, Mar 8 Minnesota Timberwolves @ Minnesota (13-40) 8:00 pm EST

Wed, Mar 10 New Jersey Nets vs New Jersey (4-48) 8:30 pm EST

Sat, Mar 13 New York Knicks vs New York (19-32) 8:30 pm EST

Wed, Mar 17 Chicago Bulls vs Chicago (25-26) 8:30 pm EDT

Sat, Mar 20 Boston Celtics vs Boston (32-18) 9:00 pm EDT

Mon, Mar 22 New Orleans Hornets @ New Orleans (28-25) 8:00 pm EDT

Tue, Mar 23 VS Clippers

Thu, Mar 25 Portland Trail Blazers @ Portland (31-24) 10:30 pm EDT

Sat, Mar 27 Golden State Warriors @ Golden State (14-37) 10:30 pm EDT

Mon, Mar 29 Denver Nuggets vs Denver (35-18) 8:30 pm EDT

Wed, Mar 31 Memphis Grizzlies @ Memphis (26-25) 8:00 pm EDT

Thu, Apr 1 Orlando Magic vs Orlando (36-18) 8:00 pm EDT

Sat, Apr 3 Oklahoma City Thunder vs Oklahoma City (30-21) 8:30 pm EDT

Wed, Apr 7 Memphis Grizzlies vs Memphis (26-25) 8:30 pm EDT

Fri, Apr 9 Portland Trail Blazers @ Portland (31-24) 10:00 pm EDT

Sat, Apr 10 Sacramento Kings @ Sacramento (18-34) 10:00 pm EDT

Mon, Apr 12 Los Angeles Clippers @ LA Clippers (21-31) 10:30 pm EDT

Wed, Apr 14 San Antonio Spurs vs San Antonio (30-21) 8:00 pm EDT