Avery's a jerk...and 4 game series. - Page 3 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

jthig32 · 06-19-2006, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SlimBig

Sick of the AJ hate on this board. AJ's been a class act since he's been here and you guys think "his true colors" are out now after a heartbreaking, frustrating loss? Gimme a freakin' break man.

I don't think anyone here hates AJ, (Chum might have him slotted, but that's for another time) but right is right and wrong is wrong.

I personally think he lost him temper, which anyone is allowed to do at times. But I hope I hear about an apology over this.

ocelot_ark · 06-19-2006, 02:26 AM

Ah yes...I forget that humiliating other people has taken the shape of comedy in our society.

LonghornDub · 06-19-2006, 02:26 AM

Poppovich was an absolute jerk to one of the SA press guys in a press conference after Game 7. Who the fuck cares? They're pissed an emotional. I think some of you forget NBA players and coaches are human beings.

g30hd3 · 06-19-2006, 02:27 AM

Turning our centers into a bunch of foul machines just isn't working. They're putting us over the limit way too early... ended up chipping away the lead we had.

ocelot_ark · 06-19-2006, 02:27 AM

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Fine. I'll give you a "maybe" so that we can all move on

Quick question though. As Mav fan to Mav fan.... who made a bigger mistake? Avery? or Bennett F***ing Salvatore?

Well duh! Salvatore's parents. For having sex. Around 90 years ago. And not using some primitive form of protection.

If I see Dan Crawford Tuesday...I'm not even going to watch the game.

jthig32 · 06-19-2006, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

Poppovich was an absolute jerk to one of the SA press guys in a press conference after Game 7. Who the fuck cares? They're pissed an emotional. I think some of you forget NBA players and coaches are human beings.

I think humans are allowed to be held to certain standards.

I don't think anyone has said Avery should be taken out and stoned. The fact is he make a mistake. He made a poor decision. It happens. I don't think any less of him, but I do wish it hadn't happened.

victornewman · 06-19-2006, 02:29 AM

The players and head coach "have to" speak to the media or be fined by the NBA.
When is the last time you heard a member of the media actually ask an intelligent question???
Avery is pissed and rightfully so.
If Avery had acted the same way as he had in the previous 2 losses, I would have been extremely disappointed in him.
I like his spunk. (Or passion for a better word.)
It wasn't Avery that lost this game for us tonight...... that responsibility would fall to our so called "Super Star."

FINtastic · 06-19-2006, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Clearly you and I have different understandings about a journalist's role. I wish you the best.

You think the journalists are supposed to ask the boring and mundane? Other journalists seemed to skirt the issue just fine until Fast Eddie came in with his "hard-hitting" question. Yeah, maybe we do have different understandings about their role. I guess that's why I had no interest to get into journalism despite a vested interest in sports.

WraithXx · 06-19-2006, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ocelot_ark

Well duh! Salvatore's parents. For having sex. Around 90 years ago. And not using some primitive form of protection.

If I see Dan Crawford Tuesday...I'm not even going to watch the game.

lol... good call my man

ocelot_ark · 06-19-2006, 02:33 AM

Okay...I'm going to bed. Later all.

LonghornDub · 06-19-2006, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I think humans are allowed to be held to certain standards.

I don't think anyone has said Avery should be taken out and stoned. The fact is he make a mistake. He made a poor decision. It happens. I don't think any less of him, but I do wish it hadn't happened.

I wouldn't have any problem if Avery apologized, and I wouldn't have any problem if he didn't. Unless you've apologized for every time you've ever been rude to someone cause you were angry, I really think you're in absolutely no position to judge.

Male30Dan · 06-19-2006, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ocelot_ark

Well duh! Salvatore's parents. For having sex. Around 90 years ago. And not using some primitive form of protection.

If I see Dan Crawford Tuesday...I'm not even going to watch the game.

I brought protection!

sly · 06-19-2006, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ocelot_ark

For all of you who didn't have a chance to see Avery's post game conference, he pretty much was a complete jerk to Eddie Sefko. Sefko asks AJ is he thought the last drive of Wade's was a foul. AJ responds "I don't know. What do you think?" Sefko, quite obviously, can't answer that question. But AJ keeps on pressing. He went after Sefko and DEMANDED that he answer the question. Sefko finally sidesteps the question and moves on. When he makes that attempt he kinda stutters and AJ says, "Don't stutter. Don't stutter." Talk about an asshole way of handling things. If you didn't like the officiating...SAY SOMETHING. You've got plenty of money. You can afford the fines. Don't make the entire organization look as bad as Cuban.

And, once again, after two games 90% of the people on this board KNEW this series was over. I'm sure 90% of the people in Dallas felt that way. And I'm pretty DAMN sure that most of our players felt that way. Is there a lesson we can learn here? Or is it just blatantly obvious that Der Stern won't allow Miami to lose?

The media are PIGS. Sefko got what he deserves. What a stupid question to ask. First, Eddie knows Avery can't say anything negative about the officiating and second, Eddie knows it wasn't a foul. So why ask?

Ask a stupid question and you get a stupid answer. Long live Avery.

After a game like that and a night like that, Sefko should have shut the F up. Nobody cares about his stupid question anyway.

Fact is journalists and the sports media are obsolete, they just like to pretend like they still matter. We have the internet now, so we know about everything before they can tell us. Same as radio. When's the last time you heard something you didn't know on the radio? Uhh never. Same with newspaper.

Worrying about a journalists feelings is like worrying about a lawyer's ethics. Neither has either.

jthig32 · 06-19-2006, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

I wouldn't have any problem if Avery apologized, and I wouldn't have any problem if he didn't. Unless you've apologized for every time you've ever been rude to someone cause you were angry, I really think you're in absolutely no position to judge.

Fair enough. But if he was being rude he's really in no position to have people defending him. Which is it. Was he being childish or not?

chumdawg · 06-19-2006, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

You think the journalists are supposed to ask the boring and mundane? Other journalists seemed to skirt the issue just fine until Fast Eddie came in with his "hard-hitting" question. Yeah, maybe we do have different understandings about their role. I guess that's why I had no interest to get into journalism despite a vested interest in sports.

I suspect you made a good career move.

Evilmav2 · 06-19-2006, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by g30hd3

Turning our centers into a bunch of foul machines just isn't working. They're putting us over the limit way too early... ended up chipping away the lead we had.

Good point, G3. Being in the penalty early every single damned quarter was a damnable killer for us tonight. I think our Mavs got a tad too liberal trying to play the hack-a-Shaq game and that (along with the refs, the history making 21 FTM D-Wade game, and all our other mistakes) helped to kill us tonight...

But just to stay on topic... I've long thought that Sefko is a turd and poor, relatively uninteresting Mavs beat writer, and I also thought that Avery's response to his bushwacking question in tonight's post-game interview was amusingly both mete and proper. I'm sure that Eddie doesn't have a stuttering problem, but even if he does, I'm not going to get mad at AJ for throwing some mud in the Sefko's face, after the fellow tried to bait the Little General into answering a -$20,000 question...

sly · 06-19-2006, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Fair enough. But if he was being rude he's really in no position to have people defending him. Which is it. Was he being childish or not?

What are you the "rude police"?

Get over it. Everyone is rude at some point and when you've gone to hell and back since November to get where you are only for some dickhead in an ivory tower to fix the last series on you, you'd be pretty testy at a RETARDED question as well.

Who are you to say a damn thing? Go worry about your own politeness.

FINtastic · 06-19-2006, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I suspect you made a good career move.

You would think Sefko could make the same good move too.

LonghornDub · 06-19-2006, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Fair enough. But if he was being rude he's really in no position to have people defending him. Which is it. Was he being childish or not?

I think what he did was rude. But I also understand completely why he did it. And to be honest, though I'm sure Sefko was probably quite taken aback at the time, he probably understands too (not saying he's happy about, just that he's probably been angry and said something rude at some point in his life as well).

Childish? I don't know about that. Rude? Yeah.

chumdawg · 06-19-2006, 02:58 AM

Let's just go ahead and say that when Avery Johnson is older and wiser he will not be likely to repeat the youthful indiscretions of days gone by.

It's a learning process, for his players and for him.

dashiet · 06-19-2006, 02:58 AM

It was a little rude but he just lost a big game that ended on controversy, give him a break. It wasn't that serious and kinda funny, actually.

LonghornDub · 06-19-2006, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Let's just go ahead and say that when Avery Johnson is older and wiser he will not be likely to repeat the youthful indiscretions of days gone by.

It's a learning process, for his players and for him.

Agreed. Like I said, he's human.

Though, also like I said, Popovich was rude as hell to one of the reporters after Game 7, and he's been around a longggg time. Not saying that makes what Avery did "ok", but I don't think that just with age and experience anyone ever becomes fully desensitized to the lures of angry emotions.

bigbsezwazup · 06-19-2006, 04:34 AM

I don't care if anyone on this board likes AJ or not. If you live in Dallas, It's about time AJ went off. Jimmy Johnson didn't take crap, Ken Hitchcock didn't take crap, Bill Parcels doesn't take crap, and I'm glad AJ doesn't either. What do all of these coach's have in common? Championships. Screw the Media and the NBA!

raefformvp · 06-19-2006, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Here's the deal.. Sefko got himself into the situation when he played dumb. Sefko said something like " I don't understand what you're saying" or "I don't know what you mean".. something like that when AJ asked him whether or not he thought it was a foul. If Sefko would have simply said "AJ, I can't answer that" this whole thing would have been done. But, Sefko played dumb and AJ then made him look dumb.

Personally, I hope Sefko loses his job after this season. He is miserable.

I'm with you on this one Murph. And to people don't Know Avery and don't know what went down a couple of months back, this is just "classy" avery. I saw him do nothing classless. Loser Sefko doesn't studder, he was howefer taken abback that Avery would call him on such a supid question.You could tell Avery is pissed from the moment he walked to the stand. Sefko wanted to get him to say something for a fine, and AJ had none of it. What's the big deal. Sefko's a loser. Go Avery!

aexchange · 06-19-2006, 08:14 AM

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I'm with you on this one Murph. And to people don't Know Avery and don't know what went down a couple of months back, this is just "classy" avery. I saw him do nothing classless. Loser Sefko doesn't studder, he was howefer taken abback that Avery would call him on such a supid question.You could tell Avery is pissed from the moment he walked to the stand. Sefko wanted to get him to say something for a fine, and AJ had none of it. What's the big deal. Sefko's a loser. Go Avery!

couldn't agree more, however i think AJ will probably extend an apology to him anyways, just because he's a class act.

dude1394 · 06-19-2006, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

Sefko was trying to bait him into getting a fine or getting a "no comment answer. Sefko knew he was drawing Avery into a no-win situation with Avery probably as angry as he has ever been. It wasn't Avery's classiest moment (nobody's perfect) under fire, but Sefko was asking for it by asking such a completely useless question.

sefko can bite me. and you are right, I love it when folks won't play a media's game.

Flacolaco · 06-19-2006, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Let's just go ahead and say that when Avery Johnson is older and wiser he will not be likely to repeat the youthful indiscretions of days gone by.

It's a learning process, for his players and for him.

I agree,

Here's the problem: The Mavericks arent going to get back to the Finals anytime soon. There isnt time to get older and wiser. Everything fell so perfectly for the Mavs all the way here. Its truly once in a lifetime.

The thing I feel most terrible about, is how long Avery and Dirks summers are going to be. Avery is so serious about all of this, I hope he doesnt let this ruin him or negatively affect him next season.

Poor Mavericks.

dude1394 · 06-19-2006, 08:17 AM

So avery is supposed to be "classy" and say amen to the league when he sees one player get whisper fouls called on him that cost him the most important game in the franchise history? BS....

Sefko can go try to get his headline somewhere else.

Arne · 06-19-2006, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ocelot_ark

It's not about the MEDIA. It's about AVERY. He was a jerk. An asshole. Someone I don't like representing the Mavs. Place the blame where it's due. Sefko might suck, but so do a lot of you. You're not given inexplicable commands in the national spotlight.

Why are you criticizing Avery. I think he did the right thing in trying to force some of these media guys into stating the truth, which is: "This was a totally wrong decision and there should've never been a call."

Why does he have to say the things a journalist should point out and even get fined for that?

mary · 06-19-2006, 08:38 AM

In no way shape or form is it Eddie Sefko's responsibility to diffuse Avery's temper. If he didn't want to answer the question (and sure he had good reason not to) there were a variety of answers he could've used without making an ass of himself.

Dirk got asked about the foul call. Dirk didn't try to humiliate anyone or be a jerk about it...he said it was a tough call.

I don't even like Sefko and I love Avery to death, but he didn't handle himself well at all IMO.

mary · 06-19-2006, 08:39 AM

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Why are you criticizing Avery. I think he did the right thing in trying to force some of these media guys into stating the truth, which is: "This was a totally wrong decision and there should've never been a call."

Why would he? It wasn't Eddie Sefko's press conference.

Drbio · 06-19-2006, 08:40 AM

I remember the days when journalists didn't try to be the focus of any story. Those were better days. Avery may have been rude by the definition but he certainly did nothing wrong.

Eddie Sefko is the human equivalent of a hot steaming pile of horsecrap, but a little worse. Maybe horsecrap that has been pissed on by a sheep (Sefko's girlfriend of choice) or somesuch.

Flacolaco · 06-19-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Drbio

I remember the days when journalists didn't try to be the focus of any story. Those were better days. Avery may have been rude by the definition but he certainly did nothing wrong.

Eddie Sefko is the human equivalent of a hot steaming pile of horsecrap, but a little worse. Maybe horsecrap that has been pissed on by a sheep (Sefko's girlfriend of choice) or somesuch.

lol.

Maybe Sefko just smelled thay way because he slipped and fell in a big hot steaming pile of "Josh Howard Free throw shooting" on the way in, and that got Avery all fired up.

Tokyo Drift · 06-19-2006, 08:48 AM

It has been said before....Avery is not much of a coach... He is a hell of a cheerleader.. or a fine mascot... a charming story or whatever
just not a very good coach or human
Avery is the product of Dirk Nowitzki
He's got nothing

mary · 06-19-2006, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tokyo Drift

It has been said before....Avery is not much of a coach... He is a hell of a cheerleader.. or a fine mascot... a charming story or whatever
just not a very good coach or human
Avery is the product of Dirk Nowitzki
He's got nothing

Its been said before by whom? Go away troll!

sly · 06-19-2006, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mary

In no way shape or form is it Eddie Sefko's responsibility to diffuse Avery's temper. If he didn't want to answer the question (and sure he had good reason not to) there were a variety of answers he could've used without making an ass of himself.

Dirk got asked about the foul call. Dirk didn't try to humiliate anyone or be a jerk about it...he said it was a tough call.

I don't even like Sefko and I love Avery to death, but he didn't handle himself well at all IMO.

Go be holier than thou somewhere else. You're absolutely lost with your head way up your ass on this issue.

Tokyo Drift · 06-19-2006, 09:00 AM

Avery and his old lady suck at being christian

mary · 06-19-2006, 09:01 AM

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Go be holier than thou somewhere else. You're absolutely lost with your head way up your ass on this issue.

Excuse me, I don't think you are in any position to be telling me where and when to post. If you disagree with me, then you disagree with me - that's fine.

But, if you just joined the webiste, have fewer than 100 posts and already have a red box by your name, there is greater than 100% chance that I don't really give a crap about your opinion of me or my posts.

alexamenos · 06-19-2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

Poppovich was an absolute jerk to one of the SA press guys in a press conference after Game 7. Who the fuck cares? They're pissed an emotional. I think some of you forget NBA players and coaches are human beings.

and young and full of testoterone.....BFD.

EricaLubarsky · 06-19-2006, 12:01 PM

I guess after growing up reading Mad Magazine's "Snappy answers to stupid questions", I found it a little humorous.