Armstrong traded to Pacers for Anthony Johnson - Page 3 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

jthig32 · 07-23-2006, 07:59 AM

I wonder if someone on a Pacer's board could give us a rundown of the Pacer's roster right now. Is it out of the question that we're sending Powell and Marshall so that DA can be paid the abosolute lowest contract possible, and the trade stillw ork? In that case pehaps the Pacers will cut BOTH Powell and Marshall after the trade is complete, and we can bring one or the other back.

BTW, according to DLord's latest article on our payroll situation, doesn't this mean that we are abotu to head over the Luxury Tax again this year? I believe he stated that if we kept Marshall and Powell on the roster, and brought DA back at minimum, we could stay under it.

Instead, we've paid significantly more for our third PG, and have apparantly cleared some roster space to perhaps spend more of our mid level.

Man it sucks having such a cheap owner........

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-23-2006, 08:28 AM

Wow, looks like this trade is legit. Very surprising, since Johnson is outrageously more productive than Armstrong. I guess Armstrong's leadership and locker room presence is something lacking these days on teams. I'll def miss him but welcome Johnson.

jthig32 · 07-23-2006, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Wow, looks like this trade is legit. Very surprising, since Johnson is outrageously more productive than Armstrong. I guess Armstrong's leadership and locker room presence is something lacking these days on teams. I'll def miss him but welcome Johnson.

Nope, this has nothing to do with Armstrong. This is a salary dump for the Pacers to stay under the luxury tax. Nothing more, except maybe they want to keep one of the youngins we're sending.

This is the kind of trade most Mavs fans have never had to deal with, because we have an owner that, while wanting to be more frugal, is not scared of paying some luxury tax.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-23-2006, 08:58 AM

Well, salary Dump it is. Still a good move. Although its all going to be overshadowed by this new Cuban/'Avery dispute. I'm also wondering the state of Devin Harris and whether Terry is going to start at the 2. Johnson seems Too good to be a third stringer. He could probably start on a lot of teams.

HexNBA · 07-23-2006, 09:19 AM

Great trade

TomThaMavsFan · 07-23-2006, 10:09 AM

I love this trade, Anthony Johnson stepped up big time last year when Tinsley was out most of the season. He would be solid even as an occasional starting PG for the Mavs. Getting him also clears up some roster room, so who knows maybe there's someone else the Mavs are showing interest in?

purplefrog · 07-23-2006, 10:28 AM

What is going on with the Pacers? They have zero room for someone like Marshall. At the 3 they have Danny Granger and have just drafted Shawnee Williams and James White. They also have Stephen Jackson and Marquis that can do some time there. They are getting ready to sign Al Harrington. Are they playing Harrington at 4? If so, where does Jermaine O'Neal go? Does he become their starting center? If so, then Foster becomes a back-up.

Weird.

pickupyonuts · 07-23-2006, 10:38 AM

we got AJ to then trade him, harris, and croshere for AI. dunno if salaries match but if they do then thats definately what management is tihnkin..................

................definately just dreamin

dirno2000 · 07-23-2006, 10:56 AM

After the Indy Star article, I was holding out hope that we'd be able to keep Marshall.

History Teacher · 07-23-2006, 11:12 AM

I don't think the Pacers have any intention of keeping Rawle or Powell. Both of them have non guaranteed contracts that can save the Pacers salary and cap room. It's all about the Harrington S&T.

dude1394 · 07-23-2006, 11:25 AM

Excellent move for the mavs. DA and Powell were not going to contribute very much at all, now a much more solid PG than DA..

Nice, nice... Cost nothing at all except a prospect that I didn't see coming on.

EDIT: Hmm...just read somewhere else that Rawle Marshall was also included. That's fine to me as well to be honest.

Stylistic · 07-23-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

After the Indy Star article, I was holding out hope that we'd be able to keep Marshall.

Same here. I would have actually liked to keep him. Oh well.

Mavs Rule · 07-23-2006, 11:56 AM

Indy has got to get something more out of this trade. I have been doing some research on Pacerdigest.com and it looks like this post could be the best possible explanation. Of course this is purely specualtion:

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Maybe its been covered already, but Heck you are using the TE incorrectly.

It can NOT be combined with anything. It can't, period, end of story.

If the TE is in the Al deal, its just to take him on at 7.6m. No other players are legally allowed to be involved in that deal.

Any other player movement would be a 2nd deal that would have to match the CBA rules. This 2nd deal would be to sweeten the pot in order to entice the Hawks into the SnT.

So no "AJ makes space for Al", take that off the plate for good.

The deal most likely appears to be 3 WAY, with Dallas providing players to ATL because ATL must not want AJ. AJ is being dealt "to ATL" to entice them into doing the SnT trade of Al, either for a pick, cash or both from the Pacers.

But since they don't want AJ but do have their eyes on a Dallas player (it seems) then AJ goes to Dallas, Dallas meets the CBA rules by sending out +/-25% of AJ's salary back to Indy in the form of DA. For AJ coming in, Dallas sends a player(s) to Atlanta. Atlanta sends out nothing.

Deal 1
ATL gets cash or pick or both
IND gets Harrington for 7.6m which the Peja TE allows them to absorb depite being over the cap

Deal 2 (the enticement to ATL)
ATL gets some Dallas player
DAL gets AJ
IND get DA/nothing really

Combine the 2 together and Indy sends out AJ, pick, cash for Harrington basically.

Dallas sends out a player to get AJ

ATL agrees to do a SnT with Indy in exchange for a DAL player, a pick, cash

This is the SAME RUMOR that we already had with Al basically, except we were guessing FOSTER and that ATL wanted him, so no 3rd team had to help. It probably turns out to be AJ and that Indy needed a 3rd team to get ATL something they really wanted.

AJ+pick for Harrington is a great deal

mqywaaah · 07-23-2006, 12:30 PM

Johnson for DA, Marshall, and Powell? Hmmm... I'm going to miss Powell and DA. Kudos! Atleast Quis would feel right at home with having 3 other former-Mavs with him in Indy.

Tokey41 · 07-23-2006, 12:47 PM

I hope our draft picks for next year arent involved... thats seem like a deep one.

endtroducing MASKED · 07-23-2006, 01:50 PM

I'm pretty sure both Marshall and Powell are non-guaranteed. Neither one will make the team in Indiana

grndmstr_c · 07-23-2006, 01:59 PM

A fine trade. The Mavs really have some terrific depth at point guard now (I especially like the addition of Johnson's size at the position, defensively), and in so far as Johnson would seem fully capable of sharing the court with either Devin or JT in some effective two-pg sets, this is a move that should strengthen the entire backcourt rotation as well. To top it off, as a trade asset (should something come up) he's very movable.

SeriousSummer · 07-23-2006, 02:26 PM

Terry/Harris/A. Johnson
Buckner/Ager
Howard/Stackhouse
Dirk/Croshere
Diop/Damp/Mbenga/Pavel

We look set, except we could use a 3-4 swingman (we're fine at the two because Terry or AJ can play there if necessary). That would be 14, enough for now and gives us the flexibility of picking somebody up if we need to because of injury.

Looks good for Pops or Vroman--whoever can earn the position.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-23-2006, 02:34 PM

Maybe. Orrrrr

Harris/AJ/Terry
Terry/Stack/Buck/Ager
Howard/Buck/Stack/Ager

They said that Mike James would have started alongside Terry, and I see Anthony Johnson as the same type of player just a bit less explosive. Since AJ was a back-up though, never know that he too could have put up big numbers on a crap team like Toronto. We will see.

mattyd · 07-23-2006, 03:08 PM

So now that this is in the Morning News, Star Telegram, and on all the sports websites, do any of you nut rags want to apologize to DirtyDirk? After all...you were all saying this was a hoax...

Big Boy Laroux · 07-23-2006, 03:11 PM

Does this mean this could officially be the start of the POPS ERA?

foglemann · 07-23-2006, 03:57 PM

great trade and gotta love the combined trades to Bird and Indy. Marquis, DA, Rawle, and Powell for AJ and Croshere. I'll take that trade anytime of the week. This trade really completes that cleaning on the bench and give Donnie some room to add. Also, yes, I do believe you'll see Pops get a full chance to make the team now. I'm expecting both Powell and Rawle to both be cut by Indy before whatever deadline it is before there next year contracts become guarenteed. They both could be back for our training camp, but who knows. Anyway, we can find 50 players like Powell and Rawle, but an actual third string PG that has playoff experience, is a vet., and can play, not so much.

A+++

EricaLubarsky · 07-23-2006, 04:55 PM

Welcome our new players: anthony Johnson, Austin Croshere, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, and ?

EricaLubarsky · 07-23-2006, 04:56 PM

double

Dirkenstien · 07-23-2006, 04:58 PM

Good trade but I would like to see us get something out of a S&T involving the Kitten. Also, I hope this mean Pops gets signed.

I'll miss Marshall...he seems like he's going to develop into a nice scrappy young player but you have to give something to get....

EricaLubarsky · 07-23-2006, 05:00 PM

Marshall is decent but he really was raw and didnt play as big as we wanted-- he looked like Howard but while Howard plays like he's 6'9", Marshall plays 6'4". With Buckner, Howard, Stackhouse, Ager and Terry all eating up minutes at the 2, its hard to see him getting any play here. If he could play the 3 he definitely would have found himself some time.

Bookit · 07-23-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mattyd

So now that this is in the Morning News, Star Telegram, and on all the sports websites, do any of you nut rags want to apologize to DirtyDirk? After all...you were all saying this was a hoax...

Why should anybody apologize to DirtyDirk? This wasn't personal you know. The trade just didn't make much sense. Maybe DirtyDirk should have come back to the forum to clarify what he heard to make everybody more comfortable.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-23-2006, 05:29 PM

AP: From ESPN

INDIANAPOLIS -- The Indiana Pacers will send point guard Anthony Johnson to the Dallas Mavericks for veteran floor leader Darrell Armstrong and two other players, Armstrong's agent said Sunday.

Armstrong, forward Josh Powell and swingman Rawle Marshall are headed to the Pacers in a sign-and-trade deal that can't be completed until the NBA office opens Monday.

Johnson gives the Mavericks a pass-first point guard to complement starters Jason Terry and Devin Harris, both of whom are more scorers than distributors. Johnson also is taller than Armstrong, and a strong defender with solid playoff experience.

Dallas had been considering signing Chucky Atkins to fill the same role. By getting Johnson in a trade, the Mavs instead can spend their remaining salary cap money on a backup swingman and a third-string power forward, the final two items on their offseason want list.

The 31-year-old Johnson averaged 20 points and 5.2 assists in six playoff games last season. He'll make around $2.6 million this season and $2.8 million the following year.

Johnson had been a backup for most of his career, but started 89 regular-season games the past two years while the Pacers fought through injuries and suspensions. He scored 40 points in his last game with Indiana, a loss to New Jersey in the first round of the Eastern Conference playoffs.

The 38-year-old Armstrong is a 12-year veteran with career averages of 10.1 points and 4.4 assists. He spent most of his career with Orlando before brief stints in New Orleans and Dallas.

Armstrong played much of last season with a torn rotator cuff. His biggest contribution, though, was as a locker room leader. Among the players he mentored was Marquis Daniels, who was traded by Dallas to Indiana for Austin Croshere earlier this month.

Glenn Schwartzman, Armstrong's agent, said Daniels' move helped Armstrong, an unrestricted free agent, agree to go to the Pacers.

"I think Marquis going there certainly was a factor," Schwartzman said. "But Darrell's decision was about what was best for Darrell and his family."

Powell and Marshall were players being developed by the Mavericks. Both are coming off their first NBA season.

Powell played 37 games, starting twice, and saw mop-up duty in six playoff games. Marshall played 23 games, starting nine, but was left off the postseason roster.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-23-2006, 06:03 PM

I'm still confused as to where this puts Devin. I wonder, does the team no longer see him as the point guard of the future?

I'm not sure about this one. Don't get me wrong, Johnson is a fine player. I just don't like logjams, and now we've got a major one.

birdsanctuary · 07-23-2006, 06:08 PM

I love this trade it opens the door for Pops to make the team, and I think it keeps the Mavs flexible to pull off another trade, I could see Devin, Stack and Pavel moved for a ..... marketable superstar... I'll just think it so as not to jinx the idea.

Put me on record as saying: This trade is akin to the Diop steal of 2005-2006.

jthig32 · 07-23-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokey41

I hope our draft picks for next year arent involved... thats seem like a deep one.

We already traded our '07 first rounder in the Damp trade. But I think we have three 2nd rounders in '07 as of right now.

thewillis12 · 07-23-2006, 06:51 PM

wasnt AJ's preferred lineup a terry at SG? iono it worked well in the playoffs with devin slashing and terry shooting. if only harris can get that outside shot to go in.........

with buckner i guess its terry alternating between the one and two while devin and anthony go for the 1? iono how all this is gonnna wokr........

vjz · 07-23-2006, 08:13 PM

Looks like a great trade.

I haven't really watched the Pacers much: anyone know how good/bad Anthony Johnson is defensively?

mavsfan1000 · 07-23-2006, 08:17 PM

I heard Anthony Johnson is an average defender but a little slow. He will work against the more physical point guards like Billups, Baron Davis, and etc.

birdsanctuary · 07-23-2006, 08:47 PM

Check out this video footage of AJ when he played for the Nets.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=U2mgLVxES...hony%20johnson

#1MavsFan · 07-23-2006, 10:49 PM

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Powell and Marshall were rookies last season who made the team as free agents in training camp. Both have non-guaranteed contracts and are expected to be waived by Indiana. The Pacers are trying to clear cap room to acquire free-agent forward Al Harrington.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/15106787.htm

u2sarajevo · 07-24-2006, 12:04 AM

Man. I should go out of town more often. What a steal.

rabbitproof · 07-24-2006, 12:06 AM

Talkin about plunderin and pillagin.

Man.

I'm ready for the season to begin. The remaining two needs are F List types - talkin about 14, 15.

We're freaky.

Edit: For all I care, Mr 14 and Mr 15 can be the Po and the Marshall, redeux.

chumdawg · 07-24-2006, 12:18 AM

After reading that Star-Telegram article, I miss the Super Spare. He was, indeed, a VERY super spare. The Mavs talked all year about their chemistry, and DA was doubtless a big part of that. I like the guy, and wish him the best, and wish we could have won a championship for him.

One thing that worries me a little bit is that evidently Armstrong was a sort of liasion between AJ and the players. Without that buffer, I worry about AJ's style rubbing some guys the wrong way. I know Stack is tight with AJ, but I don't know that he has the same sort of leadership abilities. I wonder who might step up to fill that role.

sike · 07-24-2006, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Harris/AJ/Terry
Terry/Stack/Buck/Ager
Howard/Buck/Stack/Ager

I'd like this more as well...lets see how this all shakes down...

amazing trade talent wise.