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Warriors Fan · 04-19-2007, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

You still don't get it. How much do the Mavs have to adjust their lineup really to play against that lineup?

Jason Terry
Devin Harris
Josh Howard
Devean George
Dirk Nowitzki

So, what are you trying to say? That the Warriors can force Dampier and Diop out the game? I'm not even concieding that at all, but let's say you're right... So what? How exactly does this translate into the Warriors having any kind of advantage? The Mavericks still have the size advantage, and will still outrebound the Warriors.

Edit: And there aren't mismatches "all over the court." If anything, by playing this lineup Nellie would give up potentially his most valuble mismatch by allowing Howard to guard Richardson, and while also letting Avery keep Devin Harris in the starting lineup. The ONLY mistmatch created by the lineup you mention is Dampier/Diop vs. Harrington. Dirk slides over to center, and Deaven George guards Jackson. Since neither Dampier nor Diop are by any stretch of the imagination scoring threats, and George is bigger than Jackson, I don't see how this detrimentally effects the Mavs at all. Like I said before, the Mavs still have the rebounding advantage.

No Damp, No Diop, = no D. No defensive presense in the middle. With that Mavs line up, it looks like the Mavs might try to score with the Warriors. I just don't see it. Terry cant keep Davis out of the lane. George cant keep a slashing Jackson out of the lane. If this series is gonna be fast paced, I dont see the Mavs winning. Is Dirk really gonna guard Harrington??? If you sit back and really compare those lineups, it has to bother you. Put it like this....... we have alot of slashing to the rim type of players, similar to a Dewayne Wade. Kryptonite for a Mav.

mavsfan1000 · 04-19-2007, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Warriors Fan

No Damp, No Diop, = no D. No defensive presense in the middle. With that Mavs line up, it looks like the Mavs might try to score with the Warriors. I just don't see it. Terry cant keep Davis out of the lane. George cant keep a slashing Jackson out of the lane. If this series is gonna be fast paced, I dont see the Mavs winning. Is Dirk really gonna guard Harrington??? If you sit back and really compare those lineups, it has to bother you. Put it like this....... we have alot of slashing to the rim type of players, similar to a Dewayne Wade. Kryptonite for a Mav.

The warriors don't have Dwayne Wade and they don't have a defensive prescence like the Heat. Yes they are very dangerous offensively though. I think the advantages of speed aren't as much with the mavs as other teams they've played lately and they will struggle with shooting contested shots. Dirk and Howard are the 2 best players in this series and how are the warriors going to guard them without a big man to help out? After that who is going to get the rebounds?

shaw-xx · 04-19-2007, 03:02 AM

I hope the Warriors players are hilarious like you then will find their PO trip already over.

Thespiralgoeson · 04-19-2007, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Warriors Fan

No Damp, No Diop, = no D. No defensive presense in the middle. With that Mavs line up, it looks like the Mavs might try to score with the Warriors. I just don't see it. Terry cant keep Davis out of the lane. George cant keep a slashing Jackson out of the lane. If this series is gonna be fast paced, I dont see the Mavs winning. Is Dirk really gonna guard Harrington??? If you sit back and really compare those lineups, it has to bother you. Put it like this....... we have alot of slashing to the rim type of players, similar to a Dewayne Wade. Kryptonite for a Mav.

Dude, you just don't understand the concept of a mismatch. The entire purpose of adjusting your lineup to match up to someone else is so you CAN defend them. Dirk would be much more effective guarding Harrington than Dampier would.

And once again, the Mavs still have a HUGE rebounding advantage. No, Dirk guarding Harringon doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I'd be shocked if Nellie actually tries that for more than a few minutes a game. (Well, maybe not that shocked. Nellie is the only coach in the league that's batshit crazy enough to try it) The Mavs will DOMINATE the Warriors on the boards if Nellie plays a frontline of Richardson, Jackson, and Harrington.

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Terry cant keep Davis out of the lane. George cant keep a slashing Jackson out of the lane

These are terrible examples, and further prove that you really don't know what you're talking about. First of all, Devin Harris would be guarding Davis for the bulk of their playing time, and he's got as good a chance of slowing down Davis as anyone in the NBA. Second, George vs Jackson isn't exactly a mismatch. George is easily quick enough to keep up with Jackson on the perimeter, and besides, the Mavs will throw lots of different players at guys like Jackson. I'm sure Buckner will guard lots of different people as will Stackhouse.

Look man, the only way a team can kill the Mavs with small ball is by constantly scoring off the pick and roll, and keeping the battle of the boards close. That's why Phoenix causes such problems for the Mavs (and everyone else) Phoenix can get away with playing a small lineup because the Nash/Amare pick and roll is unguardable and Marion and Stoudemire are both excellent rebounders for their size. Just playing a bunch of quick, athletic guys isn't enough. The Warriors don't have a deadly weapon like the pick and roll, and if they play the lineup you keep suggesting, they'll get killed on the boards, even if the Mavs go small.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-19-2007, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by capitalcity

You're high.

You're drunk!

Raise your hand if you caught the reference.

come_on_now · 04-19-2007, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Warriors Fan

The Warriors are horrible on the road (much better as of late), horrible rebounding, not too good on D, but damnit, we sure can score!

And you "sure will get beat" as a result! You act like we don't know Nellie ball or something. We've been there and done that.

We ditched the style you're so excited about because it gets punked by quality, balanced teams... like what ours is now.

come_on_now · 04-19-2007, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

And the Mavs have NONE--count 'em, NONE--significant wins against the Warriors.

I never did understand the line of reasoning that attempted to make light of a beating.

The Mavs also have NONE significant games against the Warriors. You have to lose sometimes in the NBA and we just happened to play badly on those nights. I haven't seen the Warriors do anything special. They are very undisciplined and have no identity. But they "sure can score!".

Out of the mouths of babes.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-19-2007, 03:21 AM

I have never been half this psyched for the playoffs.

nashtymavsfan13 · 04-19-2007, 03:22 AM

The times we lost to the Warriors were insignificant, and honestly it was more us beating ourselves than it was the Warriors taking the game.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-19-2007, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13

The times we lost to the Warriors were insignificant, and honestly it was more us beating ourselves than it was the Warriors taking the game.

You would have so much more fun at a playoff game. Especially against those stupid confetti-throwing fans. Do anything you can to get in.

MavsMandy · 04-19-2007, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Raise your hand if you caught the reference.

best show ever.

come_on_now · 04-19-2007, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsMandy

best show ever.

House? Is that what that's from?

Dirkadirkastan · 04-19-2007, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by come_on_now

House? Is that what that's from?

Nope.

Five-ofan · 04-19-2007, 04:38 AM

its from boston legal is it not?

come_on_now · 04-19-2007, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Nope.

Well then send that line into the writers House, Hugh could deliver that one spot on.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-19-2007, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

its from boston legal is it not?

Nope.

Five-ofan · 04-19-2007, 05:01 AM

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Nope.

the office?

MavsMandy · 04-19-2007, 05:02 AM

more people should appreciate the sheer genius that is arrested development.

Lor20 · 04-19-2007, 05:55 AM

what i find so funny is that that warriors fan implies that we have to play warriors basketball - we really dont. unless the warriors are able to hit 50%+ FG% they won't have a chance because they will get barely any second chance points which is what will kill them this series.

purplefrog · 04-19-2007, 06:14 AM

Turnovers are the key. Don't be surprised if we see Buck play Davis a bunch in this series. He got under Davis' skin a bit in the last meaningless game and I expect this will continue. The combination of Harris and Buck will make this series a nightmare for the bearded one. The way I see it, if the Mavs can keep defensive pressure on Davis and Jackson the Warriors will fold. They are both hotheads and they can easily be taken out of a game with tough defense. On the other end of the court the Mavs need to take care of the ball. The discipline of the Mavs and the lack of discipline by GSW will lead to a Mavs victory in 5 games.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-19-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Warriors Fan

No Damp, No Diop, = no D. No defensive presense in the middle. With that Mavs line up, it looks like the Mavs might try to score with the Warriors. I just don't see it. Terry cant keep Davis out of the lane. George cant keep a slashing Jackson out of the lane. If this series is gonna be fast paced, I dont see the Mavs winning. Is Dirk really gonna guard Harrington??? If you sit back and really compare those lineups, it has to bother you. Put it like this....... we have alot of slashing to the rim type of players, similar to a Dewayne Wade. Kryptonite for a Mav.

You've obviously never watched a Mavs game outside playing us so STOP TALKING.

ballin_boi · 04-19-2007, 08:35 AM

Warriors who? I'm not scared of these so called Warriors.

Terry < B.Diddy (ever so slightly)
Harris/Stack = J-Rich/Ellis
Howard>> I don't care who their SF is, I'm damn sure Howard is better than .. Dunleavy? Jackson?
Dirk >>> 98% of the PFs in the league

I don't need to go on.

Mavs in 6 at the most.

mary · 04-19-2007, 08:43 AM

I'm going to have to agree with Chum on this one.

There is no reason why we shouldn't welcome WarriorsFan to our forum. I admire his enthusiasm and don't begrudge his optimism. Besides, telling a Warriors fan that his team is about to be made into Maverick Mincemeat, is the sports equivalent of tellling a blind man his girlfriend is ugly.

There's no need for it, and its just plain cruel.

In retribution for everyone else's behavior, I would like to welcome ALL Warriors fans to the board. I promise to shower you with praise, respect, and positive rep - and I promise to be here for you in your time of need.

BTW, I think your team is smokin'.

Windmill360 · 04-19-2007, 09:10 AM

Family Guy?

But then it's

"You're Drunk"

"You're sexy"

alexamenos · 04-19-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

The Playoffs bring all the trolls to the yard, and they're like our teams better than yours

We could teach them, but we'd have to charge.

Joey · 04-19-2007, 09:58 AM

Okay...So after reading this entire thread, I get it...

WarriorsFan - Warriors can score.

Spiral - the mavs are a better rebounding team and a better offensively proficient team. More rebounds means more opportunity to score, fewer opportunities for the opponent to score and a higher proficiency means higher score.

Chum - This is why we play the games.

Mary - Voice of reason and sypmathy for WarriorsFan when the Warriors get their a$$ beat.

Everyone else - a lot of drinking and a lot of TV watching.

Me - I'd venture to say that until the series is over that I will be on pins and needles. But that is the reason we have waited and looked forward to the playoffs. The Mavs have been lookinng forward to this point since last June. Until last night, the Warriors didn't even know how to spell playoffs. The Mavs might have some matchup issues as WarriorFan states. I wouldn't know. I honestly haven't watched any warrior games this year other than against the Mavs and rightfully so. I mean who wants to spend their afternoon/evenings watching a slightly above .500 team? To be honest, I only cared about the Warriors when 'tawn was there and he became a Maverick after that so... But the Mavs want this playoff season. They have been looking here all season and so I will not take a single game lightly especially an entire series. I believe that the Mavs will take care of business. I hope it's a sweep, but I'll go with Mavs in 5. Either way, 67 wins and not a one of them, even 3 losses to GS, mean a damn thing unless our Mavs get 16 more wins!

alexamenos · 04-19-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the 95 Rockets the 8th seed as well? That team won something like 47 games and still won the championship.

they were like a six seed or something like that -- defintely not the 8.

alexamenos · 04-19-2007, 10:54 AM

i'm with Spiral -- the Mavs rebounding edge is plenty to win the series comfortably. For heysuess' sake, JJB grabbed ten boards a couple of nights ago. If the diminutive puerto rican can grab 10 boards, think what Damp can do.

Yes, the biggest (only?) matchup problem is Al Harrington at the 5. That's some Nellie ball for you right there.

Haven't we all seen enough of the "let's use Raef Lafrentz and Wang Zhi Zhi to drag a big outside" strategy to know just how well that strategy works??? It works great for one game but in the four games where that big isn't lighting it up you're missing shots on one end and you've got jack-squat for defense on the other -- that's a recipe for 1-4.

And yes, Al Harrington is the best 3 point shooter on their team. That's not because he's the deadliest 3 point shooter in the history of ever but instead because they're just really not that great of a 3 point shooting team. I'm not saying they're terrible, but they're just nothing special (check it out, the dubs make fewer 3's a game than the Rockets, but it ain't for a lack of trying). And this is the regular season we're talking about here -- let's see how a bunch of career 35% and less 3 pt shooters do when the lights get bright and the games get tight, especially guys that have scarcely sniffed the court in playoff games.

Yeah the dubs will win a game -- they'll get hot enough at least one night in five. But the only team that beats the mavs in this series is the mavs, and I don't think that's happening.

EricaLubarsky · 04-19-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

I have never been half this psyched for the playoffs.

you really have to thank this idiot troll for at least some of that.

I mean how exciting is beating the Warriors? Not very, but how fun is bumping this thread and making this troll eat crow?

fluid.forty.one · 04-19-2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

And the Mavs have NONE--count 'em, NONE--significant wins against the Warriors.

I never did understand the line of reasoning that attempted to make light of a beating.

Regular season isn't really significant.

Chum you stopped trolling for awhile and it was nice.. what happened? Do you seriously have that big of a crush on Don Nelson?

fluid.forty.one · 04-19-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

We could teach them, but we'd have to charge.

Thank you sir.

alexamenos · 04-19-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Thank you sir.

i would say you're welcome, but I've had that damn song stuck in my head all day (with your lyrics, of course).

Sweep · 04-19-2007, 01:35 PM

IF this was like March Madness, Mavs fans should be worried, but its not.
The better team almost always wins in a series.

Warriors have a shot, but the Mavs are a better team.

The very real concern is having your first round matchup take alot out of you, leaving each progressive round tougher and tougher to deal with.

The shorter this series is, the better it is for the Mavs.

Dirkadirkastan · 04-19-2007, 01:38 PM

Just to say what everyone is thinking...

"The trial is over and the verdict is in"? Before the series even starts? Obviously someone's trying to quit while they're ahead. Not that they really are anyway.

mary · 04-19-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Just to say what everyone is thinking...

"The trial is over and the verdict is in"? Before the series even starts? Obviously someone's trying to quit while they're ahead. Not that they really are anyway.

Maybe he's thinking the OJ jury will get to decide who wins.

I don't know. Now that you mention it, its a pretty odd metaphor.

alexamenos · 04-19-2007, 02:16 PM

decent article by Fish....

http://dallasbasketball.com/mainArticle.asp

Patient Predator
Don Vs. Dirk: Erasing The Jab Step
By Mike Fisher - DB.com

Jab step-Jab step-Jab step-Jab step. … Dirk Nowitzki, as not only the NBA’s most deadly championship-caliber clutch shooter but also its most unhurried, is The Patient Predator. One key to Mavs-Warriors: Don Nelson will try to de-fang Dirk. No more Jab step-Jab step-Jab step-Jab step. …

Conventional wisdom has it, is that Know-It-All Nellie can decipher was Dallas and Dirk will do. In truth, a bigger key might be a flipside: What will Nellie do?

Oh yes, the Warriors run (leading the NBA with 20 fast-break points per game). And they play small (though that is something coach Don Nelson only started fully relying on within the last month). And they take risks defensively (leading to both an NBA-stellar 19 steals per game and an NBA-crummy107 points allowed per game).

Those are givens.

And maybe, as an eighth seed, Golden State will be urged by its coach to perform as if it has nothing to lose. (This is a commonly held belief; I’m not so sure Nellie’s all that good at coaching in the playoffs that way, because there IS something to lose: four games.)

But the biggest key: Nellie has a grand grasp of Dirk Nowitzki and the rest of the Dallas personnel; the former Mavs coach deserves credit for the birth and/or rebirth of all but a couple of members of Avery Johnson’s roster.

So how does Nellie combat the NBA’s top MVP candidate and his former protégé, The UberMan?

One lead-pipe cinch: Nellie wishes for there to be no Jab step-Jab step-Jab step-Jab step. …

(ct'd)

dalmations202 · 04-19-2007, 02:48 PM

Is their any way this series goes over 5?

Either GS will run Dallas out of the gum, and their is nothing Dallas can do about it, or (if what I expect happens) --- Dallas will slow the game down, force the ball inside to Dirk and Damp, getting Harrington in foul trouble and Biedrins in the game -- and then they will force their will upon them mercilessly and win easily. Harrington will not be able to score much from the bench, and Damp will have double doubles most games.

Of course, IMO, one game you know Dallas is just going to strap it on, and try to beat GS at its own game, and run and gun with them. Then the game will come down to who is hitting their shots that game.

mffl03 · 04-19-2007, 03:25 PM

god sunday can't get here quick enough

Dirkadirkastan · 04-19-2007, 03:33 PM

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god sunday can't get here quick enough

I remember this happened last year too. We were the last team to play Game 1, Game 2, etc. Sucks that Game 2 isn't even until Wednesday.

kingrex · 04-19-2007, 04:32 PM

Warriorsfan = "stick"
dallas-mavs.com = "anthill"

It seems the ants have been riled up.

God I love the playoffs, where everyone thinks they're gonna win it all.