Postgame: Spurs at Mavs - Props and Jason Terry - Page 3 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

dude1394 · 12-31-2010, 12:37 PM

Look you can't just trade jet for the heck of it. He is nowhere NEAR untouchable however and for all of the stuff folks are saying about Kevin Martin not doing other than scoring....well....

Bayliss · 12-31-2010, 12:39 PM

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Terry is the best 4th quarter shooter in the league or at least in the top 10. Why would we want to trade a clutch scorer and a chemistry guy when he just sucks against one team and has a downer of a game once in a while?

Because the Mavs need a SG that can score better than him, can play defense better than him, can draw fouls and get to the line better than him, can draw double teams better than him, and can be relied on in the playoffs.

Who that SG is on the market, I have no idea. But Terry may have great 4th quarter stats in the regular season, but it still doesn't hide all his major flaws that show u in the playoffs when teams can gameplan against him.

Underdog · 12-31-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 41mvp

Jason Terry, SG Min (20) FG (1-7) 3PT (0-2) FT (0-0) Reb (0) Ast (2) Stl (1) Blk (0) TO (2) PF (1) +/- (-15) PTS (2) Do you remember this ststs?Whay you think about this?

I like how you just parroted Vinylstar - very original...

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When Dirk sit on the banch he's a leader.We can't trush him

Wanna try editing that one again?

LonghornDub · 12-31-2010, 12:48 PM

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I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that we're better than the Spurs.

Gagreed. If not for late intentional fouls, their offense scores in the low 90's against us, again. And that's with several easy 1H opportunities that arose in transition because our offense didn't have Dirk and looked like garbage.

This is supposedly the "best offense in the league," efficiency wise. They haven't looked it twice now against the Mavs.

BGMaverick9 · 12-31-2010, 12:56 PM

I'm not sure if the stats will suggest it, but I believe Terry has some major issues when the Mavericks go up against the Spurs within the past 2 seasons.

Terry has burned them in the past or Pop recognizes he's got his hands full with Nowitzki so they make the adjustment to take Terry out of games.

41mvp · 12-31-2010, 01:00 PM

Look Dirk is Dallas Mavericks leader.When he sits on the banch we need points.Terry must scores points.Team need his help and he usually disillusioned our team.This is very sad.We can't trust him

MavsFTR · 12-31-2010, 01:04 PM

Any word on why Haywood was benched? Is there some conflict or was it for match-up purposes?

Underdog · 12-31-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 41mvp

Look Dirk is Dallas Mavericks leader.When he sits on the banch we need points.Terry must scores points.Team need his help and he usually disillusioned our team.This is very sad.We can't trust him

Why do you keep typing "banch" when you can clearly see everyone else typing "bench"?

Also, try using a space after the period at the end of your sentence - if you're not going to bother to communicate clearly, then stop trying. Your posts are a beating to read (and I'm not even including your game-to-game knee-jerk reactions about trading any player that performs poorly...)

Underdog · 12-31-2010, 01:32 PM

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This is supposedly the "best offense in the league," efficiency wise. They haven't looked it twice now against the Mavs.

I love how we've dictated the pace the last 2 games - that's exactly what you want to do in the playoffs...

Kante · 12-31-2010, 01:41 PM

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Any word on why Haywood was benched? Is there some conflict or was it for match-up purposes?

It was explained by BG on another thread. Haywood was informed that he would get DNP if all went normal because RC wanted to spread the floor!

xrobx · 12-31-2010, 01:43 PM

haywood's 1 on 1 defense would have been useful. you saw how duncan dominated in the 3rd quarter

BGMaverick9 · 12-31-2010, 01:48 PM

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haywood's 1 on 1 defense would have been useful. you saw how duncan dominated in the 3rd quarter

It's possible but Chandler said he did all he could on defense and it was just Duncan's night.

BGMaverick9 · 12-31-2010, 02:25 PM

Yahoo confimed that sideshow Bob will be out against the Mavericks on the 2nd.

tcat075 · 12-31-2010, 02:50 PM

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I like how you just parroted Vinylstar - very original...

Heh, that's exactly what I thought.

EricaLubarsky · 12-31-2010, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 41mvp

Jason Terry, SG Min (20) FG (1-7) 3PT (0-2) FT (0-0) Reb (0) Ast (2) Stl (1) Blk (0) TO (2) PF (1) +/- (-15) PTS (2) Do you remember this ststs?Whay you think about this?
When Dirk sits on the banch Terry ia a leader.We can't trush him

Do you remember Dirk having a bad night? We cant trust him when he has a 4-18 night. they arent as often but still-- he's our hall-of-famer. Terry is just our clutch star

mavs777 · 12-31-2010, 03:07 PM

I am very worried that RC will screw up the rotations when booby comes back and he will still get way too many minutes, there is only 1 way to solve this

mavs777 · 12-31-2010, 03:08 PM

BTW Ajinca really got torched in the first half, surprised RC didn't give Mahimi any run

41mvp · 12-31-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Do you remember Dirk having a bad night? We cant trust him when he has a 4-18 night. they arent as often but still-- he's our hall-of-famer. Terry is just our clutch star

I don't remember when Dirk had bad night.I always trust him because he's the best player on the world(of course for me).

dude1394 · 12-31-2010, 03:27 PM

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BTW Ajinca really got torched in the first half, surprised RC didn't give Mahimi any run

Who did he get torched by? It wasn't McDyess or Bonner.

tgfan · 12-31-2010, 03:51 PM

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BTW Ajinca really got torched in the first half, surprised RC didn't give Mahimi any run

Yeah, he had a good drive and layup, and was decent on D, but still too slow vs the Spurs. I like how mobile and quick Mahinmi is. Also, Mahinmi looks like he will fight for rebounding position. The Mavs are in sore need of coaching on this, because when they play really good teams, it seems like we are always getting killed on the boards.

mavs777 · 12-31-2010, 04:03 PM

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Who did he get torched by? It wasn't McDyess or Bonner.

On the switches Parker and Hill burned him with ease, he doesn't move his feet quick enough

EricaLubarsky · 12-31-2010, 04:20 PM

Ajinca is not a very effective defender because of his lateral footspeed. We needed someone that could take a jumper out there but he just killed us on switches and things. Plus they called fouls on him like he was a rook.

I like how Carlisle wanted guys that could spread the floor-- we really saw how bad our offense could stagnate and how much the Spurs could swarm without anyone requiring a double team (Dirk).

Its truly a testament to how Important and good Dirk is and how strong his supporting cast is-- but just how dependent they are on him. Marion and Chandler love the low-post spacing Dirk creates and terry feeds off the extra attention on other players and the two-man game with Dirk because Dirk usually gets the majority of the attention when they do play two-man basketball

kg_veteran · 12-31-2010, 04:23 PM

The reason I said that Terry can't be trusted is that he has disappeared in the playoffs the last couple of years. Sure, he may be a clutch regular season shooter, but he has wilted under the playoff pressure of late.

And no, this is not a recent opinion based upon last night's performance.

If the Mavs are counting on Terry to be a clutch scorer in the playoffs this year, they're toast.

*crosses fingers and prays for Roddy's foot to heal*

kg_veteran · 12-31-2010, 04:27 PM

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Ajinca is not a very effective defender because of his lateral footspeed. We needed someone that could take a jumper out there but he just killed us on switches and things. Plus they called fouls on him like he was a rook.

All of this is true. What I don't get is why your 4th string center suddenly gets thrown in there against the Spurs. He's not as familiar with defensive rotations, he doesn't have the footspeed that Mahinmi does, he doesn't have the shotblocking or rebounding ability that Haywood does, and he's going to get jobbed by the refs and by more experienced opponents.

Oh well. Didn't cost them the game, and it was fun to root for him to school McDyess. I just thought it was odd to see such a raw player with a complete green light on offense.

BGMaverick9 · 12-31-2010, 04:40 PM

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All of this is true. What I don't get is why your 4th string center suddenly gets thrown in there against the Spurs. He's not as familiar with defensive rotations, he doesn't have the footspeed that Mahinmi does, he doesn't have the shotblocking or rebounding ability that Haywood does, and he's going to get jobbed by the refs and by more experienced opponents.

Oh well. Didn't cost them the game, and it was fun to root for him to school McDyess. I just thought it was odd to see such a raw player with a complete green light on offense.

I think it just goes to show that Ajinca really wows the staff with his work in practice, shooting wise. Apparently, it's good enough to ignore the potential setbacks he can have on the defensive end.

I'm guessing it's all based on the situation - not having Dirk. If Dirk is there, I think the Mavericks shift their backup center focus more on a defensive nature. That would lead to more minutes for Haywood and Mahinmi. Mahinmi got the minutes in the last game due to Haywood's suspension and Dirk was fully available.

BGMaverick9 · 12-31-2010, 04:50 PM

Just a little nugget I'm working on for part of tomorrow's feature:

The big issue over the course of the season was making sure Dirk Nowitzki and Jason Kidd were preserved over the grind of the regular season so they could be fresh for the playoffs. Jason Kidd is currently averaging 33 minutes/game, down a full 3 minutes from last season. If those numbers hold, it would mark a new career-low in terms of average minutes played for Kidd. Dirk Nowitzki is averaging 35.4 minutes/game, down a full 2 minutes from last season. If Nowitzki's numbers are maintained, the 35.4 minutes/game would be the lowest total for the MVP candidate since his second year in the season (1999-2000, 35.8 minutes/game). Those don't sound like radical changes but when you put them in those historical perspectives, the Mavericks are setting themselves to accomplish their goal. A healthy and fresh Nowitzki and Kidd should do wonders for the Mavericks.

dirno2000 · 12-31-2010, 05:00 PM

I don't think i buy the whole match up thing with Haywood. Yes the Spurs are playing at a faster tempo than they have in the past but the difference between them and teams like Golden State and New York is that Haywood always has someone to guard. There's rarely a time when the S.A. doesn't have Duncan, McDyess or Blair on the floor.

And while Anjica is a little more skilled than the other two back up centers he doesn't have nearly enough skins on the wall to cause teams to change the way they defend us. They'll give him his few shots while he's out there and deal with the consequences. With the hierarchy on this team he's not going to get enough shots to make teams pay, even with Dirk out. If RC really wanted to open things up offensively he'd have gone with Cardinal at the 5 and Marion at the 4.

I don't think Haywood is out of the rotation but I do think the coach was sending a message.

BGMaverick9 · 12-31-2010, 05:08 PM

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I don't think i buy the whole match up thing with Haywood. Yes the Spurs are playing at a faster tempo than they have in the past but the difference between them and teams like Golden State and New York is that Haywood always has someone to guard. There's rarely a time when the S.A. doesn't have Duncan, McDyess or Blair on the floor.

And while Anjica is a little more skilled than the other two back up centers he doesn't have nearly enough skins on the wall to cause teams to change the way they defend us. They'll give him his few shots while he's out there and deal with the consequences. With the hierarchy on this team he's not going to get enough shots to make teams pay. Even with Dirk out. If RC really wanted to open things up offensively he'd have gone with Cardinal at the 5 and Marion at the 4.

I don't think Haywood is out of the rotation but I do think the coach was sending a message.

Well something that's been mentioned between me and Rhylan before is the matter of what actually caused the Spurs shooting attack to sputter, the zone. Haywood is a skilled man defender but the zone actually negates his strength as a defender. Once he's put in that situation, he's more likely out of position and forced into a tougher scenario.

With your other point, I think it's a matter of preparation or familiarity. Ajinca has had more time at the 4 and 5 spot this year versus Cardinal at the 5. I get the experimentation factor, the Mavericks believed in that idea too...they weren't concerned with showing their full hand - even in the w/o Dirk scenario, against the Spurs. I'm just not sure they'd be willing to make that trial run happen in the midst of a game they were still capable of winning.

Bayliss · 12-31-2010, 05:15 PM

Take it for what it is worth, but KillerLeft (who posted here a few times) said he heard from some sources that Haywood was benched, not because of skillset, etc but because of his awful performance against Toronto.

FINtastic · 12-31-2010, 05:23 PM

I didn't like the decision to roll with Ajinca either. I heard the rationale from Carlisle is that he wanted some offensive firepower to make up for the lack of Dirk, but I'm not really sure that Ajinca is much of an upgrade over Mahinmi (if he actually is one at all). The problem with Ajinca comes with all of his weaknesses. Like mentioned earlier, he has some troubles on the defensive end. He's also an absolutely terrible rebounder. On a night where you are getting killed on the boards, I don't think the marginal offensive upgrade that Ajinca may bring is worth playing a guy who can't give you anything on the glass.

BGMaverick9 · 12-31-2010, 05:32 PM

All things considered, the team felt a lot better about their performance in the Spurs game as opposed to the Toronto game. The difference, offensively, between Ajinca and Mahinmi is obvious - Ajinca has more range which can spread the defense out. The Spurs are a different offensive team now but the defensive philosophy is still there. If you're able to spread their defense out, then you're getting yourself in a better position. San Antonio might have just lived with the result if Ajinca took advantage of the opportunities, we won't know that because he didn't really make them pay. Either way, the Mavericks believe in his shooting prowess.

Unless Carlisle told Casey to do so prior to the trip, Ajinca was brought in for the same reason in the Oklahoma City game - to spread the opposing defense and find some source of scoring punch from a big. Ajinca is the best combination, versus Mahinmi and Haywood, if that's what they're looking for at the given time.

Despite the boards disparity, it was a game the Mavericks could have won. They had multiple instances to take the lead and put even more pressure on the Spurs and they weren't able to get over the hump with a basket.

Underdog · 12-31-2010, 05:36 PM

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Anjinca was brought in for the same reason in the Oklahoma City game - to spread the opposing defense and find some source of scoring punch from a big.

I think that 3-pointer he hit at the end of the OKC game got a little overrated...

vinylstar · 12-31-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Do you remember Dirk having a bad night? We cant trust him when he has a 4-18 night. they arent as often but still-- he's our hall-of-famer. Terry is just our clutch star

The difference is that when dirk goes 4-18 he still has 20 pts. Dirk has bad games, but his "bad games" play out fundamentally different than JET's.

Rick41 · 12-31-2010, 05:44 PM

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I think that 3-pointer he hit at the end of the OKC game got a little overrated...

Thus makes me wonder who the F gave him the go to shoot all those 3 pointers?

He hits one vs OKC and he's Reggie Miller?

Aside from that, a 6 point differential without Dirk is very pleasing for me.

We ARE better than the Spurts.

BGMaverick9 · 12-31-2010, 05:45 PM

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I think that 3-pointer he hit at the end of the OKC game got a little overrated...

I'm not talking about that shot, I'm just talking about the general philosophy for bringing him. The shot was just a byproduct of the adjustment to bring him in.

He and Novak shoot with the regulars when they work on three-pointers in practice. Lex isn't off the charts with his shooting from beyond the arc but he hits a very respectable total. His size and skill-set present him as an intriguing player. I'm not sure how else to express it, with what he does in practice and his versatility on offense (despite the shortcomings on defense), if the situation presents itself - he's an option they're going to look at.

grndmstr_c · 12-31-2010, 05:47 PM

If we're going to question the performance on the boards last night, two things need to be noted: 1) the Mavs did well cleaning up the defensive glass, it was their failure to make an impact on the offensive end that stood out, and 2) the team's forwards, Marion, Butler and Cardinal combined for 8 rebounds in over 90 minutes of playing time. That seems to have been largely overlooked in the griping about JET's shooting woes and Rick's rotations.

Underdog · 12-31-2010, 05:53 PM

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I'm not talking about that shot, I'm just talking about the general philosophy for bringing him. The shot was just a byproduct of the adjustment to bring him in.

He and Novak shoot with the regulars when they work on three-pointers in practice. Lex isn't off the charts with his shooting from beyond the arc but he hits a very respectable total. His size and skill-set present him as an intriguing player. I'm not sure how else to express it, with what he does in practice and his versatility on offense (despite the shortcomings on defense), if the situation presents itself - he's an option they're going to look at.

I don't see practices so I have zero opinion about that, but what happens in practice doesn't always translate in a game...

Carlisle might have used him to spread the floor, but the Spurs defenders pretty much ignored him while he clanked long 2-balls... Experiment failed. Do not repeat.

grndmstr_c · 12-31-2010, 05:55 PM

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Thus makes me wonder who the F gave him the go to shoot all those 3 pointers?

Why on earth would you play Ajinca as your 2nd big on a night when Dirk's out unless you're going to give him the green light to shoot from range. Disagree with the choice of giving him 11 minutes if you like - I think the logic behind it is perfectly sound, even if it can be argued that other options would have been better - but you're kind of missing the point if your going to question him being allowed to shoot given that he was in the game. I can all but guarantee that if he'd been gun shy he would've gotten the hook.

41mvp · 12-31-2010, 06:05 PM

Happy New Year for all forum users!!!
2011 year is in Poland!!!
Dallas Mavericks together forever!!!

BGMaverick9 · 12-31-2010, 06:07 PM

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I don't see practices so I have zero opinion about that, but what happens in practice doesn't always translate in a game...

Carlisle might have used him to spread the floor, but the Spurs defenders pretty much ignored him while he clanked long 2-balls... Experiment failed. Do not repeat.

It might be that way if you want to kill his confidence, which has the possibility of happening. Just as gmc said, if you're going in there to be a shooter - you shoot.

It's not like he was missing completely wide and it was airball after airball. If we've seen anything from Carlisle, it doesn't matter if the shots go in or not, it's how you approach things in a systematic manner. If you're given the ball and you're wide open, you shoot the ball and live with the end result.

It's a 50/50 scenario, we see how it turned out with the missed but...he makes those jumpers, the game could turn out very differently.