News Flash: The Houston Rivalry is Real

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Aguirre a Wrath of Mark

Interesting article exposing the myth of Daryl Morey's genius:

https://medium.com/the-cauldron/the-...d-3df16d8b754a

Wow, powerful read... Daryl Morey is a fraud.

[Mav Addict]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Wow, powerful read... Daryl Morey is a fraud.

He is, and you can tell that he is active poster on Clutchfans and probably run the clutchfans twitter account.

[dirt_dobber]

Thanks A.W.M. - yes - that was a very revealing article on the supposed genius of Morey

[alby]

Great read

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Well there was this
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PaYTyqWtFw8

Ah, memories...

[dirt_dobber]

I loved every bit of this....

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Ah, memories...

i forgot about dampier and his oven mit hands. i didnt forget him just his hands

[Murphy3]

Dampier..highly underrated here in Dallas

[Mav Addict]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Dampier..highly overpaid here in Dallas

[jthig32]

He was both overpaid and underrated. Not all that uncommon of a combination, really.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by jthig32

He was both overpaid and underrated. Not all that uncommon of a combination, really.

Far from independent variables, those two.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Far from independent variables, those two.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Jeremy Lin at this point may fit that description. Obviously well overpaid, but there came a point where peoples description of him was borderline insane. They acted like he was the absolute worst PG in the league. He was just a poor match with Harden, well overpaid, and overhyped coming out of NY. In truth he can be more than serviceable.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by jthig32

He was both overpaid and underrated. Not all that uncommon of a combination, really.

Damp setting screens was so underrated....too bad he had no hands.

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Damp setting screens was so underrated....too bad he had no hands.

As Jerry Stackhouse used to say, it is what it is.
We got him because, at the time, the road to the championship was blocked by Shaq's big butt. Damp couldn't beat him, but he could bang and that gave us a chance. In the Finals against Miami, Damp kept Shaq under control and gave us a chance to win. That's all we could ask. Just don't ask him to catch and finish. if he could do that, he would have been worth another 5 million, and Dirk would have at least 1 more ring.

[Kirobaito]

It wasn't until Damp got here that the Mavs ever really cared a lick about playing defense. As limited as he was, the post-2004 Mavericks were a very different team. Remember starting Antoine Walker at center in a playoff series?

Plus he got us Tyson the first time.

[antoinewalker]

analytics, brehs!

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by G-Man

As Jerry Stackhouse used to say, it is what it is.
We got him because, at the time, the road to the championship was blocked by Shaq's big butt. Damp couldn't beat him, but he could bang and that gave us a chance. In the Finals against Miami, Damp kept Shaq under control and gave us a chance to win. That's all we could ask. Just don't ask him to catch and finish. if he could do that, he would have been worth another 5 million, and Dirk would have at least 1 more ring.

Wasnt just fatty Shaq, was also Spurs with Duncan. Lakers/Spurs won five straight titles with an uberdominant center on the team - 99 to 03

[Thespiralgoeson]

Not sure how this thread turned into a discussion about Eric Dampier, but while we're on the subject, I've always wondered why the hell didn't the Mavs get- or at least try to get- Dampier in the Van Exel/Jamison trade the year before. Or better yet, skip Jamison altogether and just get Damp (although Jamison did eventually net us Devin Harris and Stackhouse, so that's something.) The 2003 Mavs were a serviceable center away from a championship. That, along with a wing defender, was the glaringly obvious, fatal flaw and desperate need the roster had. Hell I'd have even taken Adonal Foyle. Why the hell did we trade for not one, but two guys who played the same position as Dirk and couldn't play an iota of defense between them?

Nash/Fin/J-Ho/Dirk/Damp

I'd put that lineup out there against anybody. Still not a great defensive team, but certainly not terrible either. We wouldn't have been stuck with f*cking Antoine Walker and Danny Fortson at center.

And furthermore, why the f*ck didn't we keep Raja Bell? All those years after Fin was gone we desperately needed a serviceable shooting guard- nothing spectacular- just a guy who could shoot the three and play defense. Raja did those things just fine. He was more than serviceable. He was one of the better 2/3 swingmen in the league for all those years. But no, instead we got year after year of worthless scrubs playing that position. A revolving door of suck. It took us another seven years just to get someone as halfway decent albeit still incredibly limited as Deshawn Stevenson. It's sh*t like that that makes me think Donnie is a mediocre GM.

Ugh. More than a decade later and I'm still pissed about the 2003 offseason.

EDIT: I'm also still pissed about Dirk not being the MVP in 05-06. That was such bullsh*t.

[hayth.james.g]

Harden in recent interview:

Harden said he’s looking forward to playing for the US at the World Cup. Training camp begins Monday. As for the Rockets’ future, Harden said he’s not worried that Jeremy Lin has left for the Los Angeles Lakers and Chandler Parsons for the Dallas Mavericks. “Dwight (Howard) and I are the cornerstones of the Rockets,” said Harden. “The rest of the guys are role players or pieces that complete our team. We’ve lost some pieces and added some pieces. I think we’ll be fine next season.

http://www.philstar.com/sports/2014/...uld-play-spurs

Dayum, lol. I can't wait to see us face off against them next year in the reg season.

[hayth.james.g]

Just curious but was this Article by The Dallas Morning News ever linked here? I know everything said is what we have been saying for awhile, but just interesting to hear it come from Cuban directly, especially when its aimed directly at Morey n company.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dal...er-parsons.ece

Cuban:

That just says so much about the difference. They looked at every player as an asset. That asset was a step toward getting another asset. We look towards how do you build a team. Chemistry matters to us. Culture matters to us. We made it a difficult contract to trade because we have no intentions of trading him.

Also, if you really want a good laugh scroll down to thru this page and look at the Cuban jokes: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=257049

Seriously though they are obsessed with the Mavs.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Harden in recent interview:

http://www.philstar.com/sports/2014/...uld-play-spurs

Dayum, lol. I can't wait to see us face off against them next year in the reg season.

What a douche... Could you imagine Dirk saying something like that?

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Aguirre a Wrath of Mark

Interesting article exposing the myth of Daryl Morey's genius:

https://medium.com/the-cauldron/the-...d-3df16d8b754a

Nice read. It's funny how some GMs become rock stars after a one or two good acquisitions. Every few years some GM becomes the new "it" guy. I remember when everyone thought Geoff Petrie could do no wrong. Before that it was Jerry West. A few years later, Stevie Nash signed with the Phoenix Suns and suddenly Jerry and Bryan Colangelo were certified basketball geniuses. For a little while these guys can do no wrong, but a few years without playoff success and amazingly that "genius" shine wears off.

Funny how nobody in the press ever seems to mention R.C. Buford, who for my money has to be the most successful GM in NBA history since Red Auerbach.

EDIT: You sir get rep not only for posting a good article, but for including in your username both a Mavs reference and a Werner Herzog reference.

[Vinsanity]

Another small thing that might add to the Houston rivalry... when Dwight left Orlando, he said the Magic were "full of players nobody wanted"... and Jameer Nelson really took offense to that and the two don't like each other anymore.

Cant wait for that first Houston game. I'll probably get tickets to the first at the AAC.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by Underdog

What a douche... Could you imagine Dirk saying something like that?

Dirk, no. Cuban, yes.

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Just curious but was this Article by The Dallas Morning News ever linked here? I know everything said is what we have been saying for awhile, but just interesting to hear it come from Cuban directly, especially when its aimed directly at Morey n company.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dal...er-parsons.ece

Cuban:

Also, if you really want a good laugh scroll down to thru this page and look at the Cuban jokes: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=257049

Seriously though they are obsessed with the Mavs.

Wow. Harden is a moron for those comments. What kind of player sees his teammates as just "pieces"? WTF? It sounds like Morey's ways are rubbing of on Harden.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Nice read. It's funny how some GMs become rock stars after a one or two good acquisitions. Every few years some GM becomes the new "it" guy. I remember when everyone thought Geoff Petrie could do no wrong. Before that it was Jerry West. A few years later, Stevie Nash signed with the Phoenix Suns and suddenly Jerry and Bryan Colangelo were certified basketball geniuses. For a little while these guys can do no wrong, but a few years without playoff success and amazingly that "genius" shine wears off.

Funny how nobody in the press ever seems to mention R.C. Buford, who for my money has to be the most successful GM in NBA history since Red Auerbach.

EDIT: You sir get rep not only for posting a good article, but for including in your username both a Mavs reference and a Werner Herzog reference.

I get your point, but....Jerry West had a pretty phenomenal run with the Lakers. The rules have changed to the point that it's questionable a GM would be able to make acquisitions like he did (Pat Riley is a pale imitation), but West assembled and cycled talent through LA over a 20-year period that is unparalleled--not just the 80s Lakers teams, but he laid the foundation for Jackson's Shaq-Kobe dominance as well. I don't think Jerry West gets overrated. If anything, his contribution gets overlooked because of the immensity of the talent he put together from Kareem to Magic to Shaq to Kobe to Phil.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by Underdog

What a douche... Could you imagine Dirk saying something like that?

What is especially egregious about this quote is that had Harden been anything but an absolutely useless piece of shit in the playoffs, the Rockets would have beaten Portland.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

It's just immaturity. Harden and Howard have the mentality of 17 year olds playing XBOX.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

I get your point, but....Jerry West had a pretty phenomenal run with the Lakers. The rules have changed to the point that it's questionable a GM would be able to make acquisitions like he did (Pat Riley is a pale imitation), but West assembled and cycled talent through LA over a 20-year period that is unparalleled--not just the 80s Lakers teams, but he laid the foundation for Jackson's Shaq-Kobe dominance as well. I don't think Jerry West gets overrated. If anything, his contribution gets overlooked because of the immensity of the talent he put together from Kareem to Magic to Shaq to Kobe to Phil.

Oh I'm not necessarily saying that West was overrated. Or any of the other guys for that matter. Petrie certainly put together a great team in Sacramento, and the Colengelos assembled one of the most exciting teams in history. I'm just saying that it's interesting how there's usually one GM out there that media and fans single out as the lone "genius." For a little while, he is seen as having the midas touch and everything he does, no matter how mundane or even misguided, is seen as another masterstroke.

It just happens every few years. The media will pick out one guy to laud as their basketball guru. Notice also that it's always just one. They never pick out multiple GMs to anoint as basketball messiahs, no matter how many teams are having great turnarounds and phenomenal runs.

Sometimes the perception is justified. West, Petrie, and the Colengelos all enjoyed major playoff success. Morey OTOH has yet to accomplish diddley squat in the postseason.

[Underdog]

‏@ShamsCharania: Jameer Nelson balanced finances and winning in free agency. Dwight Howard made multiple calls recruiting Nelson to Houston, sources say.

The offseason score is 2-0, bitches.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Underdog

The offseason score is 2-0, bitches.

Nice. Suck it, Rockets!

[DGM]

Originally Posted by G-Man

As Jerry Stackhouse used to say, it is what it is.
We got him because, at the time, the road to the championship was blocked by Shaq's big butt. Damp couldn't beat him, but he could bang and that gave us a chance. In the Finals against Miami, Damp kept Shaq under control and gave us a chance to win. That's all we could ask. Just don't ask him to catch and finish. if he could do that, he would have been worth another 5 million, and Dirk would have at least 1 more ring.

Tim Duncan hated playing down low against Damp.

[LonghornDub]

Spiral's point about RC Buford is spot on. It's amusing that Morey has been dubbed a genius when he's not even the best GM in his state (or anywhere close to it). Where's the multipage NYTimes article about Buford?

[Underdog]

All I know is there are currently more discussions on Clutchfans about Mavs signings than Rockets signings... Folks are starting to get a little panicky over there.

[TheFW]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

You mean when Jordan retired for two years?

As a Rocket fan, this just annoys the hell out of me.

Jordan played one of those years. Wasn't Hakeem's fault that the Bulls did not meet with the Rockets then in the finals. Also before anyone even says some silly mess about rust, look at his numbers. Jordan was FAR from Rusty. Hakeem won a ring WHILE Jordan played. Biggest myth and lie and I'm surprised that any NBA fan touts this out just to make Jordan look better as if he needs more credit.

Also, that poster was correct. The Rockets outside of the Lakers and Celtics have been one of the more historic franchises. For Dallas fans to say "We need to be equals!" is pretty confounding considering the Mavericks franchise before Cuban and Dirk was mostly irrelevant. The Rockets have not gone long stretches being irrelevant. Have a list of Hall of Famers, two championships, and a long history to boot.

As for why Rocket fans dislike the Mavericks. It's simply because they are the Dallas Mavericks. Houston fans don't like any sports team that represents Dallas. The fact that they've been better than the Rockets for most of the Dirk era does not help.

EDIT: I would say the Rockets top 3 rivals (fan wise) the Jazz would be #1 undoubtedly. It's always fate that these teams meet in the playoffs. Then the Mavericks because of Dallas, then the Lakers because every fanbase in the western conference feels they have a rivalry with the Lakers.

[yahyes]

Anyone read about what Harden said? Basically crapped on Parsons saying he's just another player. Crowning him and Dwight the "cornerstones". I always knew Harden had an ego somewhere inside that cruddy beard.

[Dnowit41]

Houston Rockets. What a joke. I can't wait to play them this year. Its gonna be some fireworks brewing!

[NeedlesKane]

We can certainly use another game like this one against the Rockets:

http://www.nba.com/games/20050507/HOUDAL/recap.html

[LSMF]

I really can't wait till we play Houston next season...

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

We can certainly use another game like this one against the Rockets:

http://www.nba.com/games/20050507/HOUDAL/recap.html

Even up till now those bitches are still butthurt about that game.