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Underdog · 07-02-2010, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

DB.com posted this article a few days ago.

I don't see any kind of timetable, why should we have already met with him?

We have a week until anyone can actually sign a contract - I fully expect these FA's and their "people" to fill up the headlines for the duration.

We have plenty of time...

tcat075 · 07-02-2010, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

GOSHDAMNIT didn't I say a few times in fact that he isn't the answer??

Look, simple as this... Jet can NOT guard anyone, even if offensively they are very similar, one of the main reasons Jet hasn't been able to cut it as our starting SG is because he can't stop anyone, HE CANT GUARD. I'll let someone else get into the numbers with you but if Jet could guard someone and wasn't undersized (6 ft), we would have probably been OK with him at SG. You keep on and on about offense, well Jets offense would be alright if he wasn't such a liability on D. So the basis of Allen and Jets game really is not the same.

Well, I don't think Terry is the answer either. He's a poor shooting SG. Effectively, that's what Ray Allen is too.

And yes, I agree, Ray Ray is doubtful at best to come here.

tcat075 · 07-02-2010, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

And we'd possibly still have JET's instant offense as well (depending on how Carlisle uses him...)

You would really roll with Allen starting and JET off the bench?

tcat075 · 07-02-2010, 08:08 PM

This is a must listen. The C'mon LeBron song was catchy, but it wasn't a great song. But I actually kinda like this one.

mac222b · 07-02-2010, 09:26 PM

Steve Blake to the Lakers. nice signing for them. he's maybe a little underrated.

Underdog · 07-02-2010, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Steve Blake to the Lakers. nice signing for them. he's maybe a little underrated.

He's a 40% career 3-point shooter - the rich get richer...

xrobx · 07-02-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

This is a must listen. The C'mon LeBron song was catchy, but it wasn't a great song. But I actually kinda like this one.

i agree, probably since come on lebron was just one republic-all the right moves with different words over it and i hated the original song

BGMaverick9 · 07-02-2010, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

You would really roll with Allen starting and JET off the bench?

Why wouldn't you?

Allen is a taller Jet who plays defense...

SMC0007 · 07-02-2010, 11:32 PM

I just hope the FO has a back up- backup plan, unlike some of you sons a bitches when reality strikes.

Thomas86 · 07-02-2010, 11:34 PM

Brendan Haywood may want more than Mavs are willing to pay

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The agent for Brendan Haywood has said his client is a top-10 NBA center, and the goal is to get a free-agent contract that will pay him accordingly.

If that's the case, the Mavericks are going to have a tough time satisfying the 7-footer and his agent, Andy Miller.

A source said Friday that the Mavericks do not plan on entering into a contract that pays $10 million or more per year to Haywood. In fact, the Mavericks are aiming to come in at an average salary considerably below that.

Using 2009-10 salaries, there were 14 NBA centers who made $10 million or more, including Chris Kaman, Emeka Okafor, Samuel Dalembert and Tyson Chandler.

Others on the list, like Brad Miller, Zydrunas Ilgauskas , Erick Dampier and Shaquille O'Neal, were at or near the end of long-term deals. But clearly, the market for centers requires teams to spend and sometimes over-spend. Haywood is one of the top centers available on the free-agent market, if not the best.

Haywood is expected to meet with numerous Eastern Conference teams before negotiations get serious with the Mavericks.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....fedc3550.html

If Damp is the starting center next season.....

tsar · 07-02-2010, 11:34 PM

Please no Allen.... he's overpriced and I don't know where anybody gets the idea that he actually plays defense.

MaVs 41 BaLler · 07-02-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I just hope the FO has a back up- backup plan, unlike some of you sons a bitches when reality strikes.

Robby B the Lightning Rod.

SMC0007 · 07-02-2010, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

Brendan Haywood may want more than Mavs are willing to pay

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....fedc3550.html

If Damp is the starting center next season.....

Had to figure this might happen. Possible to sign and trade his ass? Try to work in the German Towers or something...

BGMaverick9 · 07-02-2010, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

Brendan Haywood may want more than Mavs are willing to pay

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....fedc3550.html

If Damp is the starting center next season.....

I can see their hesitation on going beyond the 8-10 million range. The payroll is pretty large, by adding that Haywood salary it's just going to continue to expand. If you have guys like Roddy and DoJo still on board, what happens when it's time to pay them?

They're just being cautious and still thinking long term.

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2010, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I can see their hesitation on going beyond the 8-10 million range. The payroll is pretty large, by adding that Haywood salary it's just going to continue to expand. If you have guys like Roddy and DoJo still on board, what happens when it's time to pay them?

They're just being cautious and still thinking long term.

I don't know about Do Jo but i'd imagine when Roddy's contract is up a lot of these guys will no longer be in Mavs uniform. I'd like to hope Haywood would be. I'd hope the contracts of Kidd, JET, Matt Carroll, Stevenson and Marion are no longer here or are drastically reduced by the time its time to pay Roddy.

Dirkenstien · 07-02-2010, 11:54 PM

Yeah ideally about 8 million/season would be about the top of his contract entering salary. Anybody know who still has money to throw around in FA? I just don't see him getting an offer in $10m/season range.

BGMaverick9 · 07-02-2010, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I don't know about Do Jo but i'd imagine when Roddy's contract is up a lot of these guys will no longer be in Mavs uniform. I'd like to hope Haywood would be. I'd hope the contracts of Kidd, JET, Matt Carroll, Stevenson and Marion are no longer here or are drastically reduced by the time its time to pay Roddy.

It's not the bible, but Poopshype has Team Options for Roddy for the next two seasons following this one coming up.

We're likely to be in Luxury Tax mode for the next few years anyways, re-upping with Dirk and whatever they decide to do with trades. That'll happen because our assets are expiring, so whatever we are bringing back is only going to clog up our payroll even more.

grndmstr_c · 07-03-2010, 12:26 AM

I can imagine the Mavs going as high as 10 million per for Haywood if the market ends up looking like there won't be any viable alternatives. But I also feel pretty confident they'd much rather find a way to flip an expiring contract or three for someone along the lines of Varejao or Gortat and then fill out the center rotation by signing Shaq or Damp.

KINGBEEF · 07-03-2010, 12:29 AM

Haywood, Haywood, Haywood... we understand your wants and needs but, don't you want an NBA Championship? Everyone knows that when you want more money, you don't have a Championship in mind.

BGMaverick9 · 07-03-2010, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I can imagine the Mavs going as high as 10 million per for Haywood if the market ends up looking like there won't be any viable alternatives. But I also feel pretty confident they'd much rather find a way to flip an expiring contract or three for someone along the lines of Varejao or Gortat and then fill out the center rotation by signing Shaq or Damp.

Your B option is definitely a lot safer and more cost efficient, I would definitely roll with that. I do think if Gortat is the 1st man on the list to go after, they'll be competing against a couple of teams. If Utah wants to do a S&T with Boozer (not sure how likely that actually is), Orlando seems like a prime spot and Gortat and other pieces seem like a perfect fit. There is always Houston if they miss out on Bosh or any other big men like Lee.

If Haywood is looking for MORE than 10 million per, I've gotta say see ya.

dirno2000 · 07-03-2010, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Yeah ideally about 8 million/season would be about the top of his contract entering salary. Anybody know who still has money to throw around in FA? I just don't see him getting an offer in $10m/season range.

I think Miami is the wildcard. If they resign Wade with only one other max guy they'd have roughly $16M to play with and I could see a scenario where Haywood would be their top priority.

Outside of the Heat most of the teams with the money to flat out sign him don't need a center. The Clippers have Kaman, the Bulls have Noah, the Nets have Lopez and the Knicks have Dan Tony.

I think we're playing this thing the way it should be played. Squeeze him the way the Lakers did Odom last summer and the way we should have squeezed Terry back in 2006 (I don't think anybody else would have come close the the contract we gave him).

dude1394 · 07-03-2010, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KINGBEEF

Haywood, Haywood, Haywood... we understand your wants and needs but, don't you want an NBA Championship? Everyone knows that when you want more money, you don't have a Championship in mind.

What was the last raise you turned down?

BGMaverick9 · 07-03-2010, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

I think Miami is the wildcard. If they resign Wade with only one other max guy they'd have roughly $16M to play with and I could see a scenario where Haywood would be their top priority.

True, but don't they have to fill out a roster too?
Wade, ____, Beasley, and Chalmers with 16M to go.

That's a lot of work to do with that much left, of course they've got the MLE and BAE but still.

dirno2000 · 07-03-2010, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

True, but don't they have to fill out a roster too?
Wade, ____, Beasley, and Chalmers with 16M to go.

That's a lot of work to do with that much left, of course they've got the MLE and BAE but still.

Actually they don't. They're under the cap so they don't have any exceptions.

I was thinking Chalmers, Wade, SF, Bosh/Boozer, Haywood. Of course this is worst case scenario for us because it assumes that they don't have to trade Chalmers to get Bosh/Boozer and they they target Haywood. It's equally possible that they trade Chalmers and target Felton. Bottom line is things look good for Haywood right now but that could change pretty quickly so there's no need for us to rush into anything. Let the market settle and we could very well get him at our number.

dude1394 · 07-03-2010, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KINGBEEF

Haywood, Haywood, Haywood... we understand your wants and needs but, don't you want an NBA Championship? Everyone knows that when you want more money, you don't have a Championship in mind.

What was the last raise you turned down?

dude1394 · 07-03-2010, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KINGBEEF

Haywood, Haywood, Haywood... we understand your wants and needs but, don't you want an NBA Championship? Everyone knows that when you want more money, you don't have a Championship in mind.

What was the last raise you turned down?

KINGBEEF · 07-03-2010, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

What was the last raise you turned down?

uhhhh, I don't think you can compare an NBA lifestyle to us regular folk.

SMC0007 · 07-03-2010, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Your B option is definitely a lot safer and more cost efficient, I would definitely roll with that. I do think if Gortat is the 1st man on the list to go after, they'll be competing against a couple of teams. If Utah wants to do a S&T with Boozer (not sure how likely that actually is), Orlando seems like a prime spot and Gortat and other pieces seem like a perfect fit. There is always Houston if they miss out on Bosh or any other big men like Lee.

If Haywood is looking for MORE than 10 million per, I've gotta say see ya.

I would say " really maaan"? then stand up and shake his hand and on the way out tell him if he changes his ming about 9.5 and a chance to START and win, give us a call. He doesn't produce 10m per on the floor.

Underdog · 07-03-2010, 08:28 AM

10mil/year for Haywood sounds a hell of a lot like the value we got for the last center we signed to a long contract...

No, thanks.

SMC0007 · 07-03-2010, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

10mil/year for Haywood sounds a hell of a lot like the value we got for the last center we signed to a long contract...

No, thanks.

No kidding. When he's active and aware of whats going on blocking shots, getting rebounds. He looks worth it. But the amount of times we have seen him lug around not looking like the same player, is when that fear kicks in and he resembles Bra-damp-ly

Wtf are you doing up so early? You went and met MVP for that 1 on 1 game late last night and haven't slept since huh?

tomly · 07-03-2010, 08:54 AM

two years and no tax increases yet!

rabbitproof · 07-03-2010, 11:15 AM

Drew freakin Gooden got about 6.5 a year. Haywood is right to ask for 10+. Probably settles around 9-10 but to get a starting center for 8 would be ridiculously cheap.

The center market is always distorted. It's like trying to find a hot redhead. Not many to begin with and many are crap.

Dirkenstien · 07-03-2010, 11:45 AM

Well, I think we should continue to communicate our utmost intent on resigning him, but let him know that we'll only consider that amount if he can prove he's worth that much in this market. I know some guys have gotten pretty good deals already, but at the same time with each contract given by another team the market is slowly drying up which progressively decreases his leverage.

We want him back but we're not going to big against ourselves.

nowhereman · 07-03-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

10mil/year for Haywood sounds a hell of a lot like the value we got for the last center we signed to a long contract...

No, thanks.

Actually, I think Diop was a significantly worse deal than Big Wood.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2010, 01:20 PM

4/40 for Wood seems fair.

Hate trying to post on my phone.

MaVs 41 BaLler · 07-03-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

4/40 for Wood seems fair.

Hate trying to post on my phone.

Ok mr. cool guy...

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MaVs 41 BaLler

Ok mr. cool guy...

Haha what? Internet on the phone is something new?

My phone's internet sucks though. The post initially "4/40 for Wood" and nothing else...which is why I made that comment. It accidentally posted before I was finished typing it in.

Satisfied?

Back to the thread....espn says the Mavs made a proposal for Bosh.....

"The Houston Rockets, Dallas Mavericks, San Antonio Spurs, Cleveland Cavaliers and New York Knicks are believed to have submitted trade proposals for Bosh to the Raptors, and apparently none has impressed Toronto."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5352236

LonghornDub · 07-03-2010, 04:39 PM

Bosh is a good player, but I really don't see a fit for him here. Maybe that's just me.

mac222b · 07-03-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Drew freakin Gooden got about 6.5 a year. Haywood is right to ask for 10+. Probably settles around 9-10 but to get a starting center for 8 would be ridiculously cheap.

The center market is always distorted. It's like trying to find a hot redhead. Not many to begin with and many are crap.

True. Amir Johnson just got a huge contract and he's not even a Center. nor is Drew a true Center. as far as hot redheads go i'll have Christina Hendricks, please.

tcat075 · 07-03-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

True. Amir Johnson just got a huge contract and he's not even a Center. nor is Drew a true Center. as far as hot redheads go i'll have Christina Hendricks, please.

She's overrated. Hot, but hottest in the world? Are you kidding me? Hell no.