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mavs777 · 02-13-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by deamon

So what even they will be 7th in the end of season. They would be really poor IQ, to think they can eliminate MIA or deepest team in NBA (BOS). There is no way in hell doing this.

they aren't going to trade Iggy till the offseason if they are in the playoff hunt, why? Revenue

dude1394 · 02-13-2011, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

why? he has been useless save 5 games or so why would he all of sudden even be ok against Dwight? Either way Orlando won't get out of the east

Just recently against nene he came in and calmed it down. He is a very solid big man defender. Ty is awesome but be is going to struggle against big physical bigs.

mavs777 · 02-13-2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Just recently against nene he came in and calmed it down. He is a very solid big man defender. Ty is awesome but be is going to struggle against big physical bigs.

not this year

dude1394 · 02-13-2011, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

not this year

I disagree.

LonghornDub · 02-13-2011, 10:09 PM

18 of us are going to look really smart when the Mavs acquire LeBron next week.

Folterkammer · 02-14-2011, 06:03 AM

so does anyone else think that mahimni is being showcased?

rabbitproof · 02-14-2011, 06:41 AM

Prince is the only guy that makes sense from a cap, minutes and position point of view.

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Though I voted for LBJ and I suppose he could find a role on our team still.

sefant77 · 02-14-2011, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Folterkammer

so does anyone else think that mahimni is being showcased?

Not really. He isnt that huge talent and the new team would not even have bird rights IF he would become a really nice player....

rabbitproof · 02-14-2011, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Folterkammer

so does anyone else think that mahimni is being showcased?

Very perceptive but could be very well be the case. We saw a similar pattern of use occur with Ajinca prior to that trade. Mahinmi would also be more favorable to give up as a young prospect than Booby I presume and holds more value than DoJo.

However, I'm weary because we strip our team of post defenders (Chandler, Wood, Dirk) if we lose him though.

Thomas86 · 02-14-2011, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Prince is the only guy that makes sense from a cap, minutes and position point of view.

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Though I voted for LBJ and I suppose he could find a role on our team still.

I really hope the Mavs get him because I think he would thrive on the Mavs, think about how Kobe, Manu and Durant would feel having to deal with Prince and Marion with a little bit of Stevenson.

Please get Tayshaun Prince!!

dude1394 · 02-14-2011, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Prince is the only guy that makes sense from a cap, minutes and position point of view.

EDIT:
Though I voted for LBJ and I suppose he could find a role on our team still.

I might go with this...So if detroit isn't interested in trading him then we stand pat, right?

cowdog80 · 02-14-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

think about how Kobe, Manu and Durant would feel having to deal with Prince and Marion with a little bit of Stevenson.

I'm not saying that Prince wouldn't help the team, but I don't think he would be too frightening to any of those guys at this juncture.

People here need to realize that he's not the defender that he used to be (and was probably always a little overrated on that end based upon one terrific defensive series in the 2004 Finals) - his lateral quickness has fallen off significantly. Now, he would likely be better in D with Chandler playing behind him - but I wouldn't expect any more than Carlisle was getting out of Caron.

At this point in his career, he is only an average defender. I've said before that his primary value to this team would actually be on the offensive end as a spot up shooter at the 3 (with a better injury history and playoff track record than Peja).

cowdog80 · 02-14-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by deamon

So what even they will be 7th in the end of season. They would be really poor IQ, to think they can eliminate MIA or deepest team in NBA (BOS). There is no way in hell doing this.

Just because they aren't going to get out of the first round doesn't mean that they have to move their best player (overpaid as he may be) for spare parts.

Let's put it this way - if all of a sudden Chandler goes down with injury (knock on wood), that eliminates any title hopes for the Mavs. Would you then be willing to move Dirk for spare parts and cap space?

What we saw in the last offseason is that even though Iggy is overpaid, if Philly were able to clear him off their cap, any player who would replace his production in free agency would likely cost just as much*. As is, they've got a guy who is working pretty well with Collins and is still only 27 years old (so it's possible that he could still be productive post-rebuild).

I guess I'm just taking the long way around of saying that there is no reason that they have to move him for pennies on the dollar like some people here are hoping (which is unfortunately true for most of the options being discussed).

*pending CBA.

rabbitproof · 02-14-2011, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

I might go with this...So if detroit isn't interested in trading him then we stand pat, right?

Aside from the super giveaway, that's more or less my position, especially with Butler targeting an April return.

Prince is no longer all-D team but he can atleast be a Marion-lite. If Marion goes down, our forward rotation is crippled and we have no defenders. This team is still rather brittle and thin.

We do still have the open roster spot that Sasha evacuated so even if we don't make a trade, I want us to bring in depth either via TE or FA.

Underdog · 02-14-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cowdog80

Just because they aren't going to get out of the first round doesn't mean that they have to move their best player (overpaid as he may be) for spare parts.

Let's put it this way - if all of a sudden Chandler goes down with injury (knock on wood), that eliminates any title hopes for the Mavs. Would you then be willing to move Dirk for spare parts and cap space?

What we saw in the last offseason is that even though Iggy is overpaid, if Philly were able to clear him off their cap, any player who would replace his production in free agency would likely cost just as much*. As is, they've got a guy who is working pretty well with Collins and is still only 27 years old (so it's possible that he could still be productive post-rebuild).

I guess I'm just taking the long way around of saying that there is no reason that they have to move him for pennies on the dollar like some people here are hoping (which is unfortunately true for most of the options being discussed).

*pending CBA.

There IS such a thing as a stupid question, and when you put it like that, the idea of trading Iggy for spare parts and cap space certainly does sound stupid, huh?

(not that Iggy is on the same level as Dirk, but your point stands...)

cowdog80 · 02-14-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

There IS such a thing as a stupid question, and when you put it like that, the idea of trading Iggy for spare parts and cap space certainly does sound stupid, huh?

(not that Iggy is on the same level as Dirk, but your point stands...)

Agreed, it's definitely not a scale comparison. Mainly just making a longwinded (as I tned to do) point that just because the championship is out of reach doesn't mean that a team has to go into firesale mode.

BGMaverick9 · 02-14-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Folterkammer

so does anyone else think that mahimni is being showcased?

When I talked to Donnie for that interview, he made sure to say Ian is a piece for the future with Roddy and DoJo. He had a chance to mention Ajinca and he did not.

j0Shi · 02-14-2011, 11:44 AM

Ian is a good fit right now. He can play the 4/5 behind Chanwood and Dirk/Marion and we really need that 3rd man on both positions. I don't think he has to be added in any trade either. He is not valueable enough to land us any big name and if other teams will be looking for savings we got Butlers expiring.

deamon · 02-14-2011, 04:40 PM

Fu.k this ballhog Queen Lebron.

Underdog · 02-14-2011, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

When I talked to Donnie for that interview, he made sure to say Ian is a piece for the future with Roddy and DoJo.

I wonder who we'd be more likely to trade - Ian or DoJo?

Also, would you package either of them with Butler if you could land a player like Tayshaun Prince or Gerald Wallace?

BGMaverick9 · 02-14-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I wonder who we'd be more likely to trade - Ian or DoJo?

Also, would you package either of them with Butler if you could land a player like Tayshaun Prince or Gerald Wallace?

After talking to people familiar with the situation, I feel pretty confident in saying that DoJo would be the one out of the two dealt if they felt they needed to decide.

MavsFTR · 02-14-2011, 06:05 PM

Dojo never made a big enough impression. I would be surprised if the Mavs dealt Ian before Dojo.

mavs777 · 02-14-2011, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cowdog80

I'm not saying that Prince wouldn't help the team, but I don't think he would be too frightening to any of those guys at this juncture.

People here need to realize that he's not the defender that he used to be (and was probably always a little overrated on that end based upon one terrific defensive series in the 2004 Finals) - his lateral quickness has fallen off significantly. Now, he would likely be better in D with Chandler playing behind him - but I wouldn't expect any more than Carlisle was getting out of Caron.

At this point in his career, he is only an average defender. I've said before that his primary value to this team would actually be on the offensive end as a spot up shooter at the 3 (with a better injury history and playoff track record than Peja).

This +rep

btw I really think Mahimi has the future to be a good rotational player, I would prefer to keep him than Dojo

FINtastic · 02-14-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

After talking to people familiar with the situation, I feel pretty confident in saying that DoJo would be the one out of the two dealt if they felt they needed to decide.

Glad to hear that. I have a lot more confidence that Mahinmi will be the better player for us than Dojo so I would definitely hate to see Mahinmi end up as a throw-in. If you are going to include him in the deal, it better be for a pretty nice upgrade.

mavs777 · 02-14-2011, 09:01 PM

I agree, I think his strongest trait is he will be a great offensive rebounder, really athletic

cowdog80 · 02-15-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

This +rep

btw I really think Mahimi has the future to be a good rotational player, I would prefer to keep him than Dojo

Agreed. With Ian - it's just a question of health and avoiding fouls. For a guy who was always billed as being "raw" in San Antonio - one has to pleasantly surprised with some of the skill he has shown around the hoop.

Thomas86 · 02-16-2011, 08:45 AM

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At this point, a source with knowledge of the situation said the biggest -- and perhaps last -- remaining threat to the Knicks could be the Dallas Mavericks.

Though Mark Cuban hinted recently that he would be willing to trade for a superstar without an extension, the source said Anthony would be amenable to signing an extension with the Mavs, who are already a championship contender and yet have a huge hole at small forward after the injury to Caron Butler.

"The only way Melo doesn't come to New York is if [Mark] Cuban makes a play," that source said.

The main issue, however, is that Dallas has even less to offer the Nuggets than the Knicks. The Mavs are searching for a third team to help them, with Roddy Beaubois, who has just returned from injury, as bait. But a source with knowledge of the Mavericks' thinking said he'd "be shocked if [Carmelo] came" to Dallas, but did say Cuban is unpredictable. But Beaubois, the source said, has been deemed untouchable.

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo...061&nopaging=1

I don't know what to make of this but if it's true....

dude1394 · 02-16-2011, 10:06 AM

Man Melo is all over the place isn't he. Won't sign an extension with the nuggets (I guess they are not championship worthy enough??) Now "maybe" would sign...now possibly sign an extension with the mavs?? (why I don't know).....

10 days can't come soon enough to clear this biz up.

spreedom · 02-16-2011, 10:52 AM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=4bouj7p

Butler/Roddy/JET/Wood for Melo/Harrington/JR Smith

We can send them a first rounder, and $3M to go towards Terry's partially guaranteed deal/buyout next season.

Kidd/JJ
Stevenson/Smith/DoJo
Melo/Matrix/Harrington/Peja
Dirk/Harrington/Matrix/Cardinal
Chandler/Mahinmi

Underdog · 02-16-2011, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo...061&nopaging=1

I don't know what to make of this but if it's true....

...goodbye, Caron!

j0Shi · 02-16-2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=4bouj7p

Butler/Roddy/JET/Wood for Melo/Harrington/JR Smith

We can send them a first rounder, and $3M to go towards Terry's partially guaranteed deal/buyout next season.

Kidd/JJ
Stevenson/Smith/DoJo
Melo/Matrix/Harrington/Peja
Dirk/Harrington/Matrix/Cardinal
Chandler/Mahinmi

Any two-way deal won't do it. Even without Roddy beeing untouchable we don't have enough talent to offer. Thats why a third team has to be envolved willing to give up those things for expirings. It is highly unlikely though to say the least. Best scenario would be to convert Haywood, but I can't see that happen either.

rabbitproof · 02-16-2011, 11:18 AM

Fanning the trade winds. Melo wouldn't resign w/Dallas. He wants coastal action.

j0Shi · 02-16-2011, 11:38 AM

Only took about 15 spins

dude1394 · 02-16-2011, 11:43 AM

Tossing jet into the trade makes a lot of sense. There just will not be any room for him...maybe not much room for shawn either if carmelo gets here to be honest.

sefant77 · 02-16-2011, 11:52 AM

Reading about Butlers rehab im thinking now going for Carmelo or no trade.

So for sure no Iggy/Jax/Crash/RIP etc.

But my guess is that the Nuggets trying to scare the Knicks so the Knicks pull the trigger and throwing more players inside

SMC0007 · 02-16-2011, 11:57 AM

F Melo.

rabbitproof · 02-16-2011, 12:27 PM

Don't know if it qualifies as a major trade but we still have a lot of TEs and an open roster spot. Would be nice to add some more forward depth.

Luc · 02-16-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

F Melo.

Yes, he's a forward. What's your point?

j0Shi · 02-16-2011, 01:43 PM

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The Hornets have tried to engage the Nuggets for shooting guard J.R. Smith, but Denver seems reluctant to move Smith until there’s a resolution on the Anthony talks.

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The Hornets will likely be in pursuit of New Jersey Nets forward Troy Murphy once the Nets reach a buyout agreement with him after the trade deadline. [...] In addition to the Hornets, several other teams are expected to show interest in Murphy, including the Boston Celtics, Miami Heat, Orlando Magic and Dallas Mavericks, sources said.

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Richard Hamilton will have to be willing to give back a significant portion of the two years, $25 million owed him to get a buyout on his contract. Sources said the Celtics still remain intrigued with Hamilton as a scorer off the bench.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...ynuggets021511

deamon · 02-16-2011, 03:26 PM

If BOS sign Hamilton, they will beat LAL in finals.