Mavs get Parsons!!!

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Defense is part of what I was talking about when I said "overall" in comparing Ariza and Parsons.

Ok. I think that is a little redundant though because the play making is really what makes Chandler the better player than Ariza. But I agree that if the Rockets can't find somebody to replace Lin's play making they are in trouble. Seems like they are betting on the young guys so far.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by gmoney411

Ok. I think that is a little redundant though because the play making is really what makes Chandler the better player than Ariza. But I agree that if the Rockets can't find somebody to replace Lin's play making they are in trouble. Seems like they are betting on the young guys so far.

Saying "step down…overall" is redundant?

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Saying "step down…overall" is redundant?

I think saying Ariza is a step down overall and then saying that the Rockets are also losing play making and referencing Parsons again is a bit redundant because the step down is from Ariza not having the same play making abilities as Parsons.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by gmoney411

I think saying Ariza is a step down overall and then saying that the Rockets are also losing play making and referencing Parsons again is a bit redundant because the step down is from Ariza not having the same play making abilities as Parsons.

Okay, I see what's catching you. How's this?

Ariza < Parsons

2014/15 Rockets < 2013/14 Rockets

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Okay, I see what's catching you. How's this?

Ariza < Parsons

2014/15 Rockets < 2013/14 Rockets

See that is an oversimplification of how basketball works. Better player doesn't always mean better fit. Chandler is the better player but what he brought to the table wasn't necessarily what the Rockets needed. Ariza's perimeter defense fills a greater need. Chandler's play making skills were no doubt good for the Rockets and will be missed but they already have two guys that can get open looks for other guys in Harden and Howard.

The Rockets are likely to get some growth from young guys like Bev and Jones and will also benefit from the added perimeter defense and spacing Ariza brings and the chemistry of returning 4 starters. That will likely be enough to make them a similar team to last year. The problem is that they needed to get better and not be close to the same team which makes this off season a failure so far.

2013-2014 Rockets=2014-2015 Rockets and that is a first round loss team with McHale coaching.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by gmoney411

See that is an oversimplification of how basketball works. Better player doesn't always mean better fit. Chandler is the better player but what he brought to the table wasn't necessarily what the Rockets needed. Ariza's perimeter defense fills a greater need. Chandler's play making skills were no doubt good for the Rockets and will be missed but they already have two guys that can get open looks for other guys in Harden and Howard.

The Rockets are likely to get some growth from young guys like Bev and Jones and will also benefit from the added perimeter defense and spacing Ariza brings and the chemistry of returning 4 starters. That will likely be enough to make them a similar team to last year. The problem is that they needed to get better and not be close to the same team which makes this off season a failure so far.

2013-2014 Rockets=2 014-2015 Rockets and that is a first round loss team with McHale coaching.

Yeah, wasn't really a claim about how basketball works. Just a statement of two related opinions with which the majority of the NBA-watching world likely agrees. You just keep on trying to convince yourself that the Rockets are still a 4 seed, though. Eventually you might even believe it.

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Yeah, wasn't really a claim about how basketball works. Just a statement of two related opinions with which the majority of the NBA-watching world likely agrees. You just keep on trying to convince yourself that the Rockets are still a 4 seed, though. Eventually you might even believe it.

The best non bias place to go for a sports opinion is vegas. And vegas still has us as the fourth best team in the west.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by gmoney411

The best non bias place to go for a sports opinion is vegas. And vegas still has us as the fourth best team in the west.

Yes, Vegas is the best place to look for expert sports opinion.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by gmoney411

The best non bias place to go for a sports opinion is vegas. And vegas still has us as the fourth best team in the west.

And so you've decided to spread your sports wisdom in a biased place known as a Mavs forum?

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

And so you've decided to spread your sports wisdom in a biased place known as a Mavs forum?

Not really. Mostly talking about Chandler, Morey and Ariza and discussions end up touching different areas. Just debating my opinion.

[Underdog]

Breaking Down How Chandler Parsons and Dirk Nowitzki Can Thrive Together


Love the use of the nyloncalculus shot chart in this article... Looks like it's starting to catch on.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Breaking Down How Chandler Parsons and Dirk Nowitzki Can Thrive Together


Love the use of the nyloncalculus shot chart in this article... Looks like it's starting to catch on.

Good find.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by 45-South

Hard to give you a definitive answer to that Dude. Harden is the go to guy and he and Parsons both ranked in the top 7 in minutes so they both were on the court a lot, and Lin was supposed to be the spark plug off the bench so his job was to score when he came in. But I can tell you that the offense was stagnant whenever Parsons was off the court regardless of who else was in the game.

Does anyone recall a website that gives minutes/stats for different lineups? I used to go to 82games but it seems kinda shut down.

Thanks in advance.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Does anyone recall a website that gives minutes/stats for different lineups? I used to go to 82games but it seems kinda shut down.

Thanks in advance.

nba.com has a good bit of it. Can look within teams, or league-wide from their statistics page.

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by yahyes

What's a good nickname you think he'd like?

Chandler P
CP
Pretty boi P
Chan Par
The Craftsman

In the video just posted, the announcer says "Chandler Bang" quite a bit (on made 3s, dunks). Could be just a coincidence (i don't watch rockets games to know), and not exactly topical, but i like it.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Breaking Down How Chandler Parsons and Dirk Nowitzki Can Thrive Together


Love the use of the nyloncalculus shot chart in this article... Looks like it's starting to catch on.

Ugh...devin Harris's is ugly. My god, dirk is a god.

Whoa so is steph curry.

Nice find for ze article.

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

In the video just posted, the announcer says "Chandler Bang" quite a bit (on made 3s, dunks). Could be just a coincidence (i don't watch rockets games to know), and not exactly topical, but i like it.

what about his nickname being chandler "robo-flop" parons. JK

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Mr. Intangible? (since Rockets fans always talk about his intagibles)

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by gmoney411

The rockets had the second highest scoring offense in the league last year while having the 5th best fg%. It is an iso mess sometimes but it is very effective during the regular season.

Of course, Harden is a regular season hero because the he gets all the weak bs calls.

And then its playoff time, the defense gets tougher, his flopping and acting doesnt work anymore like it does in the RS and the result you could see the past two postseasons. Wanna type here Hardens playoff stats as a Rocket?

The Rockets offense is a joke. They are able to hide it a little bit in the RS but in the playoffs its game over...

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Of course, Harden is a regular season hero because the he gets all the weak bs calls.

And then its playoff time, the defense gets tougher, his flopping and acting doesnt work anymore like it does in the RS and the result you could see the past two postseasons. Wanna type here Hardens playoff stats as a Rocket?

The Rockets offense is a joke. They are able to hide it a little bit in the RS but in the playoffs its game over...

Harden is a regular season hero because he is great at getting to the basket, is a really good shooter, and knows how to draw fouls with bs calls.

But I completely agree that the offense is terrible for the playoffs and they will likely never win anything with it. Harden also has to stop begging for calls during the playoffs and just play basketball. Until they figure that out it is definitely game over for them in playoffs.

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

In the video just posted, the announcer says "Chandler Bang" quite a bit (on made 3s, dunks). Could be just a coincidence (i don't watch rockets games to know), and not exactly topical, but i like it.

No coincidence. His nickname was Chandler Bang as a rocket.

[45-South]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Does anyone recall a website that gives minutes/stats for different lineups? I used to go to 82games but it seems kinda shut down.

Thanks in advance.

Are you trying to judge how CP25 looks without Harden? Harden missed some games during the season. Jan 29th vs. Mavs in Dallas comes to mind. CP25 was the leading scorer and lead in field goal attempts for the Rockets that game. Dig it up and watch it if you can.

[jamaljasonandjimmy]

Originally Posted by gmoney411

No coincidence. His nickname was Chandler Bang as a rocket.

sounds too much like the guy from friends. sounds so fierce!

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by 45-South

Are you trying to judge how CP25 looks without Harden? Harden missed some games during the season. Jan 29th vs. Mavs in Dallas comes to mind. CP25 was the leading scorer and lead in field goal attempts for the Rockets that game. Dig it up and watch it if you can.

Chandler played well without Harden. He averaged 17.5/5.2/3.7 on 52/27 shooting percentages in the 8 games Harden missed.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Breaking Down How Chandler Parsons and Dirk Nowitzki Can Thrive Together


Love the use of the nyloncalculus shot chart in this article... Looks like it's starting to catch on.

Ian Levy (the author of this article) happens to be the editor of Nylon Calculus. So makes sense he'd use them. (He also used to write the TheTwoManGame, btw).

If I have some time this weekend I'm going to put together a simple page that embeds all of the shot charts for the Mavs. I'm saying this here to hold myself responsible for actually doing it.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Ian Levy (the author of this article) happens to be the editor of Nylon Calculus. So makes sense he'd use them. (He also used to write the TheTwoManGame, btw).

Makes sense... I really love his shot chart - much better than the zone charts.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by jamaljasonandjimmy

sounds too much like the guy from friends. sounds so fierce!

I'm pretty sure that's the joke.

[NeedlesKane]

Imagine if a team with 2 white guys in the starting lineup won the NBA Finals! Everyone acts like it can't be done!

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by gmoney411

Chandler played well without Harden. He averaged 17.5/5.2/3.7 on 52/27 shooting percentages in the 8 games Harden missed.

Thanks for this. Made me want to pull up all the games myself. Here's a more detailed breakdown of the stats for those that are interested.

11/13- VS PHI- LOSS - FG 9-19, 3PM-A 1-5, 22 points, 7 assists, 6 rebounds, 5 TO

11/23- VS MIN - Win - FG 6-14, 3PM-A 1-4, 14 points, 4 assists, 6 rebounds, 3 TO

11/25- @ MEM- Win - FG 8-9, 3PM-A 1-2, 17 points, 1 assist, 3 rebounds, 3 TO

11/27- vs ATL- Win - FG 6-11, 3PM-A 2-6, 14 points, 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 TO

12/21- @ DET- Win - FG 9-15, 3PM-A 1-4, 20 points, 3 assists, 7 rebounds, 2 TO

12/23- vs Dal- Loss - FG 8-15, 3PM-A 1-4, 21 points, 2 assists, 5 rebounds, 4T

1/28- vs SA- Win - FG 3-11, 3PM-A 0-2, 6 points, 4 assists, 6 rebounds, 0 O

1/29- Vs Dal- Win - FG 9-17, 3PM-A 2-6, 26 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 TO

Average points per game: 17.5
Average assists per game: 3.8
Average rebounds per game: 5.3
Average turnovers per game: 2.6
FG %: 52%
3P FG%: 27
Rockets record in those games: 6-2
Competition: 4 playoff teams, 3 lottery teams

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by 45-South

Are you trying to judge how CP25 looks without Harden? Harden missed some games during the season. Jan 29th vs. Mavs in Dallas comes to mind. CP25 was the leading scorer and lead in field goal attempts for the Rockets that game. Dig it up and watch it if you can.

No...I'm trying to see how much time cp spent on the floor without harden specifically but also Dwight. For example Carlisle always "creates" bench by having dirk sit out early and come in with the second unit. It gives them an anchor when things start to get a little tight.

I thought I saw cp being sort of used that way as well. ( my dang autocorrect keeps changing cp to pc.)

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Thanks for this. Made me want to pull up all the games myself. Here's a more detailed breakdown of the stats for those that are interested.

11/13- VS PHI- LOSS - FG 9-19, 3PM-A 1-5, 22 points, 7 assists, 6 rebounds, 5 TO

11/23- VS MIN - Win - FG 6-14, 3PM-A 1-4, 14 points, 4 assists, 6 rebounds, 3 TO

11/25- @ MEM- Win - FG 8-9, 3PM-A 1-2, 17 points, 1 assist, 3 rebounds, 3 TO

11/27- vs ATL- Win - FG 6-11, 3PM-A 2-6, 14 points, 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 TO

12/21- @ DET- Win - FG 9-15, 3PM-A 1-4, 20 points, 3 assists, 7 rebounds, 2 TO

12/23- vs Dal- Loss - FG 8-15, 3PM-A 1-4, 21 points, 2 assists, 5 rebounds, 4T

1/28- vs SA- Win - FG 3-11, 3PM-A 0-2, 6 points, 4 assists, 6 rebounds, 0 O

1/29- Vs Dal- Win - FG 9-17, 3PM-A 2-6, 26 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 TO

Average points per game: 17.5
Average assists per game: 3.8
Average rebounds per game: 5.3
Average turnovers per game: 2.6
FG %: 52%
3P FG%: 27
Rockets record in those games: 6-2
Competition: 4 playoff teams, 3 lottery teams

Thanks, nice.. He needs work on that 3 pt shot from what I see here and in the shot charts.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Too old? The average age of this roster is 28.4. Don't let facts get in the way of a good argument, though.

Why do you think average age is a strong counter to his good argument?

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Why do you think average age is a strong counter to his good argument?

Maybe I missed the good argument. Maybe you can elaborate?

Dirk is the only person on the entire roster that is even close to getting old and his game is not an athletic one requiring speed. We can talk about how much Dirk has lost, but Gmoney's argument was that not only Dirk, but the whole "core" were too old. Gmoney said that Ellis at 29 and Chandler at 31 were too old. I thought that was a little silly, which is why I stopped arguing with him.

[chumdawg]

You're the one who said it was a good argument.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by yahyes

What's a good nickname you think he'd like?

Chandler P
CP
Pretty boi P
Chan Par
The Craftsman

lolMorey

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Maybe I missed the good argument. Maybe you can elaborate?

Dirk is the only person on the entire roster that is even close to getting old and his game is not an athletic one requiring speed. We can talk about how much Dirk has lost, but Gmoney's argument was that not only Dirk, but the whole "core" were too old. Gmoney said that Ellis at 29 and Chandler at 31 were too old. I thought that was a little silly, which is why I stopped arguing with him.

I actually referring to the core being too old as a whole.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by gmoney411

I actually referring to the core being too old as a whole.

Which is why I stopped arguing with you. When pressed you mentioned Ellis (29) and Chandler (31), which made me realize that I could not argue with you. I'm not sure who else you'd call our core-- Other than Dirk there is only one guy who will be over 31 at the beginning of the season and he's a 10-12th man.

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Which is why I stopped arguing with you. When pressed you mentioned Ellis (29) and Chandler (31), which made me realize that I could not argue with you. I'm not sure who else you'd call our core-- Other than Dirk there is only one guy who will be over 31 at the beginning of the season and he's a 10-12th man.

Tyson and Monta both came out of high school. They have old NBA bodies. And you chose a number that almost every core member was older than. If you had said most of the team was 31 or younger I would have responded differently but you chose 28.4 which was an ESPN like random stat. Don't try to act like you didn't try to make the team look much younger than they are.

[grndmstr_c]

When 29 is old and an average is a random stat, it's time to put somebody on ignore.

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

When 29 is old and an average is a random stat, it's time to put somebody on ignore.

Median is much better than average