05-08-2010, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dalger
As far as Marion is concerned, you can certainly make the point that Hill is the better player RIGHT NOW and in THIS YEAR'S playoffs. That said, I still prefer Marion on our team and think that he isn't any worse than Grant Hill at this stage in their careers. In fact, I think that Marion is the better player overall.
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But he cannot make open jumpers. I remember Dirk being doubled in the 6th game, spotting a wide open Marion, and clearly hesitating to pass him the ball (like he was thinking "shall I shoot with two defenders on me or take the gamble with Marion..."
Marion didn't make the shot, btw...
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At the end of each practice, the Mavs conduct a competition and ring a bell whenever someone makes 20 of 25 3-point attempts.
“He’s always around 23 or 24,” West said. “The bell rings every day.”
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05-08-2010, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by twelli
But he cannot make open jumpers. I remember Dirk being doubled in the 6th game, spotting a wide open Marion, and clearly hesitating to pass him the ball (like he was thinking "shall I shoot with two defenders on me or take the gamble with Marion..."
Marion didn't make the shot, btw...
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Marion is a horrible jump shooter which is why he isn't supposed to take or even make those shots. He's supposed to be this team's best defender, which he is, and he's supposed to make easy shots close to the basket or in transition. Averaging 12 PPG at a 51% field goal percentage alongside great defense is fine. Our problem in the playoffs was that Marion didn't live up to his own standards. He didn't score 12 PPG, he only shot 36% and the best defender on Ginobili was his own nose.
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05-08-2010, 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dalger
and the best defender on Ginobili was his own nose.
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ouch!
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At the end of each practice, the Mavs conduct a competition and ring a bell whenever someone makes 20 of 25 3-point attempts.
“He’s always around 23 or 24,” West said. “The bell rings every day.”
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05-08-2010, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by CadBane
JRich is now 11-19 on threes vs. SA and 33-61 in the playoffs. He's not any better than Butler though.
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Originally Posted by CadBane
Oh, and Hill is shooting 56% for the series against the same Spurs team Marion shot, what, 38% against? But Matrix is obviously better.
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It seems your ability to draw conclusions properly from discrete data points is as bad as your glaringly deficient interpersonal skills.
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05-08-2010, 03:59 AM
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All I knows is JRich has been an absolute stud in the playoffs and Butler was bad (down right awful if you remove game 5).
And Dalger, if you don't think Phoenix is a BETTER team than Dallas, you're a homer, that simple. They are far far far more talented and deep.
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05-08-2010, 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by dalger
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to imply. No one said that Phoenix wasn't a good team and it became more and more clear as the regular season went by that their team is indeed deep with guys like Dudley, Frye, Dragic and to an extent Barbosa and Amundson constantly coming off the bench and being quite productive.
However, Barbosa and Dragic haven't set the world on fire in this series so far. Praising them to the skies in light of the Suns' success and our failure is easy but Dragic was 2-12 in the first two games while Barbosa scored a combined 8 points in game 1 and 2. They clearly had a great game tonight, though. As far as Marion is concerned, you can certainly make the point that Hill is the better player RIGHT NOW and in THIS YEAR'S playoffs. That said, I still prefer Marion on our team and think that he isn't any worse than Grant Hill at this stage in their careers. In fact, I think that Marion is the better player overall.
The NBA, with so many teams being really talented and having a lot of potential, is all about momentum and playing at a high level at the right time. We didn't do that in the first round (take Marion's numbers as an example). The Spurs are playing at a high level and some of their guys are not only playing according to their regular season level, no, they play even better (take Hill's numbers as an example).
In the end, Phoenix doesn't have a better team than Dallas or Denver. The Suns are simply in a position (and somewhat lucky) to have many players contribute at the perfect time. They're almost overachieving while we did the exact opposite.
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I'll personally give you a handjob the day JJB gets 20 points in the 4th quarter of a playoff game.
Yeah, Dragic was 2-12 coming in, but he's just a superior player to JJB (I know you aren't arguing JJB is better, I'm just making a point). That's the kind of talent they have. Dragic is a amazing player and will be a 15-18 PPG player one day. He's had multiple 30 point games this year alone. Sure his stats might now blow JJB's out of the water (though obviously better), but he's the type of talent who CAN go off. Barbosa is too.
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05-08-2010, 07:32 AM
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Gotta admire the Suns for sticking to the run and gun in the midst of everyone telling them it won't work in the playoffs.
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05-08-2010, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by CadBane
I'll personally give you a handjob the day JJB gets 20 points in the 4th quarter of a playoff game.
Yeah, Dragic was 2-12 coming in, but he's just a superior player to JJB (I know you aren't arguing JJB is better, I'm just making a point). That's the kind of talent they have. Dragic is a amazing player and will be a 15-18 PPG player one day. He's had multiple 30 point games this year alone. Sure his stats might now blow JJB's out of the water (though obviously better), but he's the type of talent who CAN go off. Barbosa is too.
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Oh, no need for that added bonus to JJB's career night... Guys like Dragic, Dudley, Frye and Barbosa do have potential and, fortunately for their team, they know how to use it occasionally to help out their already-productive starters excluding Collins. That's apparently enough to possibly sweep the Spurs, even though I still don't believe that Phoenix has a better team than Dallas or Denver. They were and are just better at this point of the season.
The "problem" with your player evaluation as it relates to Butler/Richardson and Marion/Hill is that you used very limited data to compare these players and thus came to questionable conclusions. Nash isn't any worse than Kidd, to say the least, but Butler and Richardson are comparable players in terms of their talent and Marion, as far as I'm concerned, is a better player than Hill and also better fits our needs.
It's just that, contrary to the Suns, we had too many players who didn't reach their potential against the Spurs. That's what cost us the series and not a lack of talent.
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05-08-2010, 05:06 PM
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Am I the only one that (almost accidentally) stopped watching basketball the second the Mavs got eliminated. It's not that I'm bitter or that I suddenly stopped hating the NBA, which I love. I just keep forgetting it's on.
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05-08-2010, 09:17 PM
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Kyle Korver is such a f'ing badass.
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05-08-2010, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CadBane
Kyle Korver is such a f'ing badass.
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he can just flat out shoot. And he shots looks so good when they go in
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05-08-2010, 09:28 PM
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I think I love every Utah player but Boozer and AK47. AK because he's such a flopper, and Boozer because he's just such a pussy. I know he's not a good defender or shot blocker, but he doesn't even try. And he never gets to the ft line.
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05-08-2010, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CadBane
I think I love every Utah player but Boozer and AK47. AK because he's such a flopper, and Boozer because he's just such a pussy. I know he's not a good defender or shot blocker, but he doesn't even try. And he never gets to the ft line.
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yeah i've never felt good about Boozer, i would say since he played for Duke. Oh maybe because he left Cleveland because he wanted more money
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05-08-2010, 09:47 PM
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Derek Fisher just ripping the heart out of Jazz fans.
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05-09-2010, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LonghornDub
Derek Fisher just ripping the heart out of Jazz fans.
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Was it just me or did that shot look like it was going to be short? Kind of a weird looking shot, but it splashed in nonetheless.
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05-09-2010, 03:21 PM
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Anyone else think this Muslim chick is kinda hot?
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05-09-2010, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FINtastic
Was it just me or did that shot look like it was going to be short? Kind of a weird looking shot, but it splashed in nonetheless.
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I regularly think Fisher's shots are short. That release and arc is really weird.
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05-09-2010, 05:17 PM
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Rondo playing out of his skin against the Cavs ... Just made a clutch bucket to make it a 7 point game with 90 seconds to go.
So far, 27 points, 17 rebounds, 13 assists. Been great watching.
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05-09-2010, 05:40 PM
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Rondo dominated that game. It's too bad the Celtics ended up extending him after all. He would have been a nice play for the DUST chip imo. Oh well.
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05-09-2010, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one
Am I the only one that (almost accidentally) stopped watching basketball the second the Mavs got eliminated. It's not that I'm bitter or that I suddenly stopped hating the NBA, which I love. I just keep forgetting it's on.
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I've been avoiding it altogether. I might turn it on right now and see if the Spurs get swept.
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05-09-2010, 08:21 PM
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A sweep here would not help the conspiracy theorists' argument.
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05-09-2010, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by chumdawg
A sweep here would not help the conspiracy theorists' argument.
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Not really. Eliminating the Spurs helps to ensure a Lakers-Cavs finals...
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05-09-2010, 08:49 PM
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So Nash gets elbowed in the face and the Spurs proceed to tie the game, and Doug Collins refers to the Spurs as having the heart of a champion.
What. The. Phuck. They're a #7 seed that lost in the first round last year. They're still down 0-3 and they only got back in the game after their opponent was forced to take out their best player. There's nothing resembling champions going on here.
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05-09-2010, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan
So Nash gets elbowed in the face and the Spurs proceed to tie the game, and Doug Collins refers to the Spurs as having the heart of a champion.
What. The. Phuck. They're a #7 seed that lost in the first round last year. They're still down 0-3 and they only got back in the game after their opponent was forced to take out their best player. There's nothing resembling champions going on here.
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Maybe what he meant to say is that they have the elbow of a second round sweep victim. Probably just got tongue-tied.
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05-09-2010, 09:46 PM
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Get your brooms out.
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05-09-2010, 09:51 PM
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05-09-2010, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan
So Nash gets elbowed in the face and the Spurs proceed to tie the game, and Doug Collins refers to the Spurs as having the heart of a champion.
What. The. Phuck. They're a #7 seed that lost in the first round last year. They're still down 0-3 and they only got back in the game after their opponent was forced to take out their best player. There's nothing resembling champions going on here.
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Hmm...maybe getting swept demonstrates them having the heart of a champion? I can't be sure...
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05-09-2010, 09:57 PM
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As a Mavs fan, my second favorite thing in the NBA is watching the Spurs lose! Especially, a sweep. LOL. PRICELESS!!!
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05-09-2010, 09:57 PM
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Not sure what to think...Go Suns, against the Lakers...
I don't think they have much of a chance against the Lakers. The Lakers are beginning to look good again.
Sigh...what could have been had we kept Nash. He looks so much better than he did when he was with the Mavs. The product the Mavs put on the floor - 3 out 5 players that can regularly score. Kidd and Dampier - the big zero scoring options. They score when they are lucky. San Antonio just dare those two to score while they doubled or tripled on Dirk, and mediocre Butler, Marion & Terry scored when they were lucky.
Dirk, please opt out and join Nash...I want to see some good basketball again. As for the Mavericks, let's start over and build from the gound up. Get some young ones and slowly rebuild, and remove any vestige of the mentally fragile Mavs that currently make up the team.
And one more thing...it is going to stink to have to read through all of the stupid and incessant "bring Lebron, Bosh, JJohnson, Ware to the Mavs" threads throughout the summer....It ain't happenin' folks...the quicker you accept that, the easier it will be when we trade for Tracy McGrady or bring in Kurt Thomas type players in for the new season.
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05-09-2010, 10:20 PM
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Glad to read that the Spurs got swept.
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05-09-2010, 10:24 PM
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Glad to read that the Spurs got swept.
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Not watching playoff basketball anymore?
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05-09-2010, 10:26 PM
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Good job Suns. It'd be kinda cool to see them win it all, but they won't. They can't beat LA, nor do I think they can beat Cleveland or Orlando.
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05-09-2010, 10:35 PM
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I guess the Chuck Norris mojo had a delayed effect
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05-09-2010, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LonghornDub
Good job Suns. It'd be kinda cool to see them win it all, but they won't. They can't beat LA, nor do I think they can beat Cleveland or Orlando.
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I can't even imagine what reason you would have for believing they can't beat LA.
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05-09-2010, 10:46 PM
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I can't even imagine what reason you would have for believing they can't beat LA.
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Sure you can. One word, and it rhymes with "thighs."
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05-09-2010, 10:46 PM
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didnt watch it, but somehow the Suns had more than double the 3's (24) and WAY fewer FT's than SA yet they WON!?
Why didnt SA Just TAKE IT TO THE HOLE THEY WOULD HAVE WON!!!
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05-09-2010, 10:47 PM
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OMG JUST GET LAYUPS STUPID SPURS !
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05-09-2010, 10:48 PM
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IF THEY HAD SUBSTITUTED ME IN I WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM: GET PITP! WHICH STANDS FOR POINTS IN THE PAINT! SO EASY; DUUUUHHHH!!
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05-09-2010, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Dim499
IF THEY HAD SUBSTITUTED ME IN I WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM: GET PITP! WHICH STANDS FOR POINTS IN THE PAINT! SO EASY; DUUUUHHHH!!
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SERIOUSLY!"!!
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05-09-2010, 10:51 PM
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LOL SPURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW DOES IT FEEL NOW, IDIOTS?
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