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alby · 06-17-2009, 01:26 PM

Thank you, BG.

Underdog · 06-17-2009, 01:32 PM

I'm in...

(and I'll take the worst available roster just so you guys don't have any excuses at the end of the season!)

alby · 06-17-2009, 02:27 PM

you better be ready for nikeball and I, we duked it out for the ring last year and I plan on doing the same thing again this year. =]

BGMaverick9 · 06-17-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

you better be ready for nikeball and I, we duked it out for the ring last year and I plan on doing the same thing again this year. =]

I'm beggin' for Cutler to coax management to try to get Marshall...Wide open lanes for Forte! That deal is still my pride and joy.

sike said he just doesn't have the time to keep up with leagues, 'tis a shame.

Just gotta wait to hear from Fin, and we're good to go.

alby · 06-17-2009, 06:55 PM

^ nikeball told me that he regrets that deal

BGMaverick9 · 06-17-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

^ nikeball told me that he regrets that deal

it was a sweet deal, I bought into the hype of LT having the down year and Forte being the real deal, especially in a PPR league.

It was a move he could afford to make though.

Underdog · 06-17-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Wide open lanes for Forte! That deal is still my pride and joy.

That's the worst part about joining this league - he most likely would have been my #1 pick, depending on where I ended up in the draft...

(I'm taking 10% credit for that move!)

nikeball · 06-17-2009, 09:05 PM

LT wins championships.

Well..at least in fantasy sports he does.

Go Nikeball's Nuts!

I am building a dynasty.

sigh I wish there were trade backs

BGMaverick9 · 06-17-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

That's the worst part about joining this league - he most likely would have been my #1 pick, depending on where I ended up in the draft...

(I'm taking 10% credit for that move!)

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikeball

LT wins championships.

Well..at least in fantasy sports he does.

Go Nikeball's Nuts!

I am building a dynasty.

sigh I wish there were trade backs

Oh noooooo doubt my friend UD...you helped reassure my major qualms about pursuing that deal. It was a gutsy move to make.

I still don't think you had anything to really worry about Nikeball...you were pretty stacked at WR and more than well off at QB. LT is a "gamble" that can pay off in a season with a trade. I had to make my move and hope to the heavens it paid off. And now I've got my cornerstone in an even better position than where he was before.

btw...the 3 owners will have their new teams in just a few minutes.

BGMaverick9 · 06-17-2009, 09:49 PM

Fin inherits Evil's team:
Schaub, O'Sullivan
Addai, Turner, Fargas, Sproles, Buckhalter
Marshall, Colston, Bowe, Henderson (NO), Harrison,
Daniels
Buccs
Prater

UD inherits Sike's team:
Pennington, Bulger, S. Hill
Portis, S. Morris, Hightower, K. Darby (STL)
Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, Ward, Hilliard, Lloyd
Witten
Ravens
Crosby

DirkFTW inherits Silk's team:
Cutler, Ryan
Barber, DeAngelo Williams, Ward
Andre Johnson, Holmes, Engram, Braylon Edwards, Cotchery, Royal
Miller, Desmond Clark
Cardinals
Gostkowski

For you newbies:
Start 2 QBs, 2 RBs, 3 WRs, RB/WR flex, TE, K, DST
Keepers: 3

the draft order (snake format) will be reverse W/L record:
U2
FINtastic
Chum
ShaggyDirk
Me
DirkFTW
MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs
alby
flaco
UD
nikeball (defending champion)

jthig

that's the latest update!

alby · 06-17-2009, 09:59 PM

sweet, I don't get shafted a few picks even though I finished second! what a sweet deal, my team is built for the playoffs baby.. forget the regular season! =p

chumdawg · 06-17-2009, 10:18 PM

When do we anounce our keepers? And do we do that just whenever, or do we do it like a draft format? I haven't looked at my roster--though I'm sure it sucks ass--but might it be the case that, say, deciding on my third keeper (as opposed to keeping only two) would be influenced by knowing who all was off the draft board (kept by another owner)?

I've never done a keeper league before. But the keepers work as the first three rounds of the draft, right? So if I want to keep only two, then I actually draft someone instead of the third keeper?

Flacolaco · 06-17-2009, 10:31 PM

How the hell do you have a draft order already? I haven't joined the new league (to my knowledge)...or did Evil hand over the keys to the existing one?

Flacolaco · 06-17-2009, 10:38 PM

Oh I see...is that how its done in keeper leagues?

alby · 06-17-2009, 10:40 PM

No its not. We have to do it this way because we're starting a completely new league.

nikeball · 06-17-2009, 10:45 PM

There are a few ways to do keepers leagues.

In my money keepers league, you get to keep the player in the ROUND you draft them in. So shrewd owners have Michael Turner in the latter rounds (started 2 years ago).

I believe in the D-M league the players kept are taken out of a pool and everyone redrafts based on the draft order.

Also, in my keepers league I manage, I determine the draft order based on the number of points scored (from the previous year)..not W/L. I believe points scored is a better indication of how good a team is. Because they can lose some unlucky games where other teams blow up any given week.

Everyone's keepers are announced at the same time so no one has an advantage. However, you can take a pretty good guess at who people are keeping just by looking at their roster. Most people have 3 guys who are above the others.

chumdawg · 06-17-2009, 10:48 PM

Wow, keeping guys in the round you drafted them in would certainly add an interesting twist to the draft. I imagine you would see a lot of useful players in the free agent pool after the draft, and a lot of non-starters on rosters.

nikeball · 06-17-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Wow, keeping guys in the round you drafted them in would certainly add an interesting twist to the draft. I imagine you would see a lot of useful players in the free agent pool after the draft, and a lot of non-starters on rosters.

Depending on how many roster spots there are..but yeah.. it makes you think alot more..for instance.. rookies could be worth alot more. Adrian Peterson was drafted at the end of the 3rd round in his rookie year in my league. I drafted Chris Johnson in the 8th round last year. They both pay off in the future.

BGMaverick9 · 06-17-2009, 10:54 PM

it's pretty much how you guys wanna do it. The idea was to select 3 keepers and then redraft with 3 players already on your roster. They would just be announced at the same time like nikeball said to avoid an unfair advantage.

If I understand the format, when we pick the keepers I can automatically put them on your rosters and then we'll just draft like normal. I have to check with jthig on that, but I think I've got that figured out correctly. And we can just pick a set date to decide who our keepers are.

I just went with the draft order based on the season records. I thought that was a pretty fair way of doing it, but the Points scored is another route we can take. Like I said...I'm open to suggestions, I'm just doing the work to fix it and set it up. It's your league!

Flacolaco · 06-17-2009, 11:19 PM

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If I understand the format, when we pick the keepers I can automatically put them on your rosters and then we'll just draft like normal.

That sounds bueno to me.

I support the point or record system for the draft order. Whatever people want to do. I haven't looked to see how that works out for me, but either way is fine.

DirkFTW · 06-17-2009, 11:24 PM

I'm so happy I could cry right now. I'm now part of the cool kids group AND I get to burn Silk's team to the ground.

BGMaverick9 · 06-17-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

That sounds bueno to me.

I support the point or record system for the draft order. Whatever people want to do. I haven't looked to see how that works out for me, but either way is fine.

u2
fin
chum
shaggy
UD
alby
flaco
dirk
me
mavswill
jthig
nike

that would be the order if it's points. It doesn't change the front or the back side of the draft but after the 4th pick going to 10 then it gets really different. It's up to y'all really! Whatever you guys wanna do, we'll run with it

Flacolaco · 06-17-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

I'm so happy I could cry right now. I'm now part of the cool kids group AND I get to burn Silk's team to the ground.

If you burn something, it becomes black.

You racist.

chumdawg · 06-17-2009, 11:31 PM

So, can I keep only two players and get a third round draft choice?

Flacolaco · 06-17-2009, 11:33 PM

We're going to be drafting like normal, but with 36 players already out of the pool...is my impression.

I think you have to select 3 keepers.

BGMaverick9 · 06-17-2009, 11:42 PM

That's something that can be voted on, but I think it's going to be pretty standard to just keep 3. I think there would be a very minor amount of teams that would actually consider that keep 2 and draft an extra....it's something that can be brought up though if we have a lot of backing with it.

chumdawg · 06-17-2009, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

That's something that can be voted on, but I think it's going to be pretty standard to just keep 3. I think there would be a very minor amount of teams that would actually consider that keep 2 and draft an extra....it's something that can be brought up though if we have a lot of backing with it.

I know you guys are more astute than most, but last year I went to my brother-in-law's FF draft to help him out. He was an expansion team in a keeper league, so they let him draft from the available pool in the first three rounds since he didn't have any keepers. We ended up with far better players with those first three picks than a lot of the players that folks had kept. I couldn't figure out why guys were keeping a Carson Palmer, say, over what could have been a second-round draft choice.

The rules made sense to me, though. If you don't like your guy any more than you like the pool in the third round, why should you have to keep him?

BGMaverick9 · 06-18-2009, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I know you guys are more astute than most, but last year I went to my brother-in-law's FF draft to help him out. He was an expansion team in a keeper league, so they let him draft from the available pool in the first three rounds since he didn't have any keepers. We ended up with far better players with those first three picks than a lot of the players that folks had kept. I couldn't figure out why guys were keeping a Carson Palmer, say, over what could have been a second-round draft choice.

The rules made sense to me, though. If you don't like your guy any more than you like the pool in the third round, why should you have to keep him?

That makes sense...I think if people have a problem with the idea of 3, it's because it's the 3rd one, not the 2nd AND 3rd one. The problem might be figuring that in with the settings in the league. It almost seems like you'd have to go back to the honor system to accommodate that. I'm sure if there is an obvious fix, I look dumb...but that's the problem I see with it.

chumdawg · 06-18-2009, 12:04 AM

I just looked at my roster. There's no way in hell that I have a guy who is better than a 3rd-round draft choice. Maybe that's my bad for not knowing the rules and for not stashing my roster with guys who might be good enough to keep. But hey, we are starting fresh here.

I'm just saying...look at my roster and tell me you couldn't do better in the third round...or maybe even the second! If you make me keep these spares, I am going to take a shit right in the middle of the floor.

Flacolaco · 06-18-2009, 12:07 AM

Well, the middle of the floor should prepare itself. Two players can easily be kept.....your third, thats a problem. But still its your problem.

BGMaverick9 · 06-18-2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I just looked at my roster. There's no way in hell that I have a guy who is better than a 3rd-round draft choice. Maybe that's my bad for not knowing the rules and for not stashing my roster with guys who might be good enough to keep. But hey, we are starting fresh here.

I'm just saying...look at my roster and tell me you couldn't do better in the third round...or maybe even the second! If you make me keep these spares, I am going to take a shit right in the middle of the floor.

Lol, like I said: I understand. The only option I can see is we don't have the keepers already on the roster before the draft...we have to go back to the honor system idea. We select the keepers, obviously, a team defers a keeper and selects in the 3rd round out of what is available.

That's not my call, it's not a dictatorship.

The rest of the guys can voice their opinion: they can say that's cool or SOL

I definitely see your point though.

chumdawg · 06-18-2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

That makes sense...I think if people have a problem with the idea of 3, it's because it's the 3rd one, not the 2nd AND 3rd one. The problem might be figuring that in with the settings in the league. It almost seems like you'd have to go back to the honor system to accommodate that. I'm sure if there is an obvious fix, I look dumb...but that's the problem I see with it.

The execution is simple. You get to "protect" three guys, meaning no one else can draft them. When it is your turn to draft, you can choose an unprotected player or you can choose one of your protected players. After the third round, any protected player you decided not to keep becomes available.

chumdawg · 06-18-2009, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Well, the middle of the floor should prepare itself. Two players can easily be kept.....your third, thats a problem. But still its your problem.

It's not my problem, because I'm a fantasy football manager, and I can cut a guy's ass whenever I want to. I can hire him back later, if he's available and I want to. But telling me that I MUST keep him on my roster? That's a league problem.

It's really simple. Your keepers are your first three draft picks. If you like something else better...well...you pay your money and you take your chances.

alby · 06-18-2009, 12:40 AM

all this FF talk is getting me excited

sidenote- I've been trying to get into nikeball's keeper league for 2 years now... nobody wants to leave it because its so competitive/enjoyable.

jthig32 · 06-18-2009, 08:01 AM

I believe only choosing to keep two for a pick in the third round is a standard function. I'm fine with it.

I don't think functionality will be a problem. I'm pretty sure if Chum doesn't have a third keeper in his slot when the third round of the draft comes around he will simply be allowed to draft a player of his choosing.

Keep in mind though, Chum, you don't get to look at what teams keep what before deciding how many keepers to lock up. That's why there's a deadline to tag your keepers.

Oh, and for the draft order, personally I think it should work a little like the real NFL. Make it record or points based, but have the two teams that play for the championship picking in the last two spots.

Actually I just realized that it's a snake draft so it doesn't really matter what the order is beyond the first few picks.

Flacolaco · 06-18-2009, 08:50 AM

I guess I am not properly comprehending what's going to happen.

I was under the impression that the draft will start with 3 players on my roster already, and that the first pick in the first round will be whoever it is making a choice. (theoretically, the 36th best player in the NFL)

Underdog · 06-18-2009, 09:25 AM

I only have ONE guy on my roster I'd even consider picking in the first 3 rounds - this is going to be a sleeper-heavy draft for me, I suppose...

(seriously - why the hell was Bulger on ANYONE'S roster last season???)

Is this league PPR?

jthig32 · 06-18-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I only have ONE guy on my roster I'd even consider picking in the first 3 rounds - this is going to be a sleeper-heavy draft for me, I suppose...

(seriously - why the hell was Bulger on ANYONE'S roster last season???)

Is this league PPR?

Dude it's a 12 team league that starts two QB's. Do the math.

Yes it is PPR.

On the keeper thing:

Does no one remember last season's failed initial basketball draft? The league had been setup for keepers, but BG had mistakenly set it up for keepers from LAST season, and yet had not designated any keepers. So the first three rounds were in keeper mode, it didn't snake, and everyone was able to draft. That's an insight into how the process works.

My understanding is this:

BG has to go into his LM controls, and add players onto our teams manually SO THAT he can then designate them as keepers.

BG then goes into keepers settings and designates our keepers.

When the draft starts, the team with the first pick is on the clock. If that team has at least one keeper specified, that player is auto-drafted onto that team. And so it goes.

If a team comes up that does not have a keeper specified for that round, he has 90 seconds to make a draft pick.

I am 95% certain this is how it works. But someone not designating the three keepers should be prepared for unexpected outcomes due to the unknown.

And again, I feel it's important to specify that you must designate your three (or less) keepers by some sort of deadline that we set. You CAN NOT see that someone has failed to keep someone you want, and choose to give up one of your keeper slots in order to take that players.

Make sense?

Underdog · 06-18-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Dude it's a 12 team league that starts two QB's. Do the math.

Yes it is PPR.

I didn't know we started 2 QBs...

Any other rules that stray from the standard league rules, or do I get to find all that out AFTER I draft?

Flacolaco · 06-18-2009, 09:49 AM

So for example...if you keep one guy, he gets autodrafted in round one, and you've got a 2nd round pick and a 3rd round pick.

And if you keep two, your first real decision/pick is coming in the third round, regardless of the round(s) in which the two keepers were drafted in the previous year?