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sike · 07-09-2009, 10:23 PM

I dont know if I should be excited or potentially concerned with this:

"Mavs.com: Do you think you can get back to the All-Star level that you played at in Phoenix?

SM: Oh yes, definitely. Definitely."

I choose "excited"!

BGMaverick9 · 07-09-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

I dont know if I should be excited or potentially concerned with this:

"Mavs.com: Do you think you can get back to the All-Star level that you played at in Phoenix?

SM: Oh yes, definitely. Definitely."

I choose "excited"!

Kidd told him to say that, he doesn't just feed him dimes...he feeds him answers.

FINtastic · 07-09-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Kidd told him to say that, he doesn't just feed him dimes...he feeds him answers.

If Kidd was feeding him answers, I believe the answer there would have been, "Most definitely".

sike · 07-09-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

If Kidd was feeding him answers, I believe the answer there would have been, "Most definitely".

genius

Flacolaco · 07-09-2009, 10:42 PM

"Yeah, yeah. Most definitely"

(Some of that audio can be heard here)

http://www.theunticket.com/the-fake-...-song-catalog/

chumdawg · 07-09-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

If Kidd was feeding him answers, I believe the answer there would have been, "Most definitely".

[breathe in slowly] Well, obviously, that's what you're gonna say when you're in that situation.

Mavsfan4ever · 07-09-2009, 10:48 PM

Anyone read what Hollinger had to say? This was just his opening line.

"After acquiring Shawn Marion in a four-way deal, Dallas could be L.A.'s biggest competition out West."

Nice to see us getting some respect in the media.

chumdawg · 07-09-2009, 10:52 PM

When you add Marion for nothing, grab the best center on the market, and simultaneously reload your trade magazine...that's gonna happen.

cowdog80 · 07-10-2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I'm sorry, but I don't see how anyone could definitively put the Spurs ahead of the Mavs at this point. The Mavs flat-out owned the Spurs in the playoffs, sans Ginobili. Add in Ginobili, it's probably a 7-game series. Add in both teams' offseason additions, it's still probably a 7 game series.

Oh, and Gortat is/will be better than McDyess. As people noted earlier, McDyess, although a good pick up, won't do anything for them that KT didn't.

MyDyess is a lot better shooter and definitely more versatile than Thomas. Thomas can knock down a 12 footer if you leave him wide open and give him time to wind it up. Dyess is pretty much money from 10-12 feet if you give him any space whatsoever.

Thomas' per 48 numbers are a bit skewed because Popovich only gave him major minutes in match-ups that were advantageous to him. Otherwise, it was purely spot/garbage duty.

None of that is to insinuate that it is time to crown the Spurs with his addition - but they definitely upgraded at that spot (barring health issues, which will always be a factor with him no matter how many years he stays healthy). It's wishful thinking on here to say that it's a wash.

clutch#41 · 07-10-2009, 12:31 AM

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insid...onTrade-090709

can anybody posts the rest of the article????
gotta have espn insider

sike · 07-10-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cowdog80

It's wishful thinking on here to say that it's a wash.

or not.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-10-2009, 12:37 AM

I don't think SA getting Mcdyess is any better than us getting Gortat. Why? Because they went after Gortat first...them, Houston, and about five other teams wanted him. Obviously Gortat had some value.

sike · 07-10-2009, 12:39 AM

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I don't think SA getting Mcdyess is any better than us getting Gortat.

who suggested it was? Gortot is a WAAAAAAAAAAY better signing.

just saying.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-10-2009, 12:41 AM

^Sorry, thought Cowdog was basically arguing that Mcdyess is a better catch.

badfish22 · 07-10-2009, 12:43 AM

Here it is clutch:

After acquiring Shawn Marion in a four-way deal, Dallas could be L.A.'s biggest competition out West. It's all about prying the window open as long as you can. And with this week's moves to re-up Jason Kidd, sign Marcin Gortat to an offer sheet and acquire Shawn Marion in a four-team deal, the Mavs are doing all they can to keep it from slamming shut while Dirk Nowitzki is still in his prime.

Wednesday's complicated four-way deal with Orlando, Toronto and Memphis sends Marion to the Mavs on a five-year deal worth an estimated $39 million, and his running ability should make him a deadly complement to Kidd in transition. As part of the deal, the Mavs also get Memphis' Greg Buckner and Raptors forward Kris Humphries, an underrated and productive player who likely takes over Brandon Bass' role as a scoring big man off the bench.
Buckner's contract isn't fully guaranteed and he'll likely be waived, but he won't be the only one after the trade is completed. The Mavs sent Jerry Stackhouse to Memphis along with $3 million in cash, and the Grizzlies will waive Stackhouse since he's only guaranteed $2 million of his $7 million salary. Dallas also sent Antoine Wright and Devean George to Toronto as part of the deal.

Memphis also gets guard Quincy Douby from Toronto, whose deal is also not guaranteed. At the end of the day, the Grizzlies earned $2.5 million for renting their cap space for the deal: the cash from Dallas minus the $500,000 difference between Buckner's $1.5 million guarantee and Stackhouse's $2 million.

Orlando's participation was agreeing to sign-and-trade Hedo Turkoglu to Toronto rather than allowing the Raptors to sign him directly. The Magic will get a trade exception worth approximately $8 million as a result, which gives them an option for adding personnel should their pursuit of big men with the midlevel exception not work out.

Meanwhile, Toronto wriggled out of the bind their deal with Turkoglu put them in. The Raptors had to either renounce their rights to several players to give him the five-year, $53 million deal they'd agreed to or had to work a sign-and-trade for Turkoglu.

By obtaining him this way, they become huge winners in this trade. Toronto's acquisition is now technically a trade, which means two things for the Raptors. First, they got a passable wing reserve in the deal in Dallas' Wright, and second, they still can use their midlevel and biannual exceptions to round out their roster this summer.

This is huge for the Raps, as their roster otherwise would have been completely denuded. I was already getting e-mails from Toronto fans with questions like "Think we can get Matt Barnes for the minimum?" Now they can pursue some added backcourt help with their exceptions and make a real run at the playoffs.

In fact, by only getting the trade exception, Orlando let them off the hook quite cheaply. The Magic got cash in the deal, and that always helps, but I'm amazed they didn't get a draft pick or some other form of compensation for their trouble. They've enabled a conference rival to escape from a mess of their own making at shockingly little cost. Orlando is well over the luxury-tax line already and might never use the exception. And besides, they already had a midlevel exception available to use. The Magic should have demanded more to let Toronto off the mat.

Adding Marion gives Dallas another opportunity to capitalize on Dirk Nowitzki's prime seasons. Nonetheless, it's the Mavs that are the story here. It's likely small forward Josh Howard would move to shooting guard to start games, while Jason Terry finishes them, and that the Mavs will often play small with Nowitzki and Marion as a tandem up front. If so, they can create a potentially fearsome starting five of Kidd, Howard, Marion, Nowitzki and Gortat, with a quality second unit of J.J. Barea, Terry, Quinton Ross, Humphries and Erick Dampier behind them. Should they re-sign Bass, an unrestricted free agent, they'd be even more formidable.
That said, this could all go to hell amazingly fast. On opening day, Kidd will be 36, Dampier 34, Terry 32, Nowitzki 31 and Marion 30; Howard also turns 30 in April. Of their top seven players, only Gortat could be described as in his prime, but he has the opposite problem: He's so untested that there's still some uncertainty surrounding how he'll perform as a 30-minute starter.
On the other hand, based on last season's performance, this team looks like a real danger to the West's elite. Dallas boasts eight players who had a PER above the league average last season -- nine if Bass re-signs -- and one of them is a genuine star in Nowitzki.

In a Western Conference in which several of the contenders appear to be shrinking rather than rising, the Mavs are trying to seize the opening for a credible rival to the Lakers to emerge. Thanks to Mark Cuban's willingness to spend freely on a winner, they might have done it. However, Dallas will once again pay far above the luxury tax, and if the age bug strikes, Cuban's dollars might buy a shockingly average team.

But they have a chance to be really good, and at this point it's more than a lot of teams can say. I don't know what Marion has left in his legs, and in most situations I wouldn't be willing to pay almost $40 million over five years to find out. But in this situation, Dallas seized a unique opportunity presented by Toronto's Turkoglu snag. In doing so, they've managed to keep that window open at least one season longer.

sike · 07-10-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

^Sorry, thought Cowdog was basically arguing that Mcdyess is a better catch.

no "sorry" needed...thanks for explaining.

LonghornDub · 07-10-2009, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cowdog80

MyDyess is a lot better shooter and definitely more versatile than Thomas. Thomas can knock down a 12 footer if you leave him wide open and give him time to wind it up. Dyess is pretty much money from 10-12 feet if you give him any space whatsoever.

Thomas' per 48 numbers are a bit skewed because Popovich only gave him major minutes in match-ups that were advantageous to him. Otherwise, it was purely spot/garbage duty.

None of that is to insinuate that it is time to crown the Spurs with his addition - but they definitely upgraded at that spot (barring health issues, which will always be a factor with him no matter how many years he stays healthy). It's wishful thinking on here to say that it's a wash.

I don't think McDyess is much of a better shooter than KT at all. "A lot" better shooter is certainly a huge, huge stretch. And I'm sorry, but it's completely ridiculous to say that McDyess is money from 10-12 feet with "any" space whatsoever. That's the kind of thing you say about a Dirk-caliber shooter, not McDyess.

McDyess is a good player. He may be a bit better than KT, but it's certainly not much at all.

clutch#41 · 07-10-2009, 01:22 AM

hell yea thanks badfish!!!

i think that the marion trade is a steal similiar to how the lakers got gasol and the cavs got shaq!!!
getting my season tix 2marow!!!! lol

grndmstr_c · 07-10-2009, 01:23 AM

Gasol > Marion > Shaq

sike · 07-10-2009, 01:25 AM

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Gasol > Marion

I wonder if having Marion isn't better for Dirk than having Gasol...

badfish22 · 07-10-2009, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by clutch#41

hell yea thanks badfish!!!

i think that the marion trade is a steal similiar to how the lakers got gasol and the cavs got shaq!!!
getting my season tix 2marow!!!! lol

No jk im happy for you

(so pissed off..)

pkdumas · 07-10-2009, 01:31 AM

Why did Sefko blog that the Mavs are spent now? This contradicts everything else I've been hearing. The other blogger even wrote about the DUST chip a few posts before this one.

Sefko quote: "The Mavericks have rolled up enough payroll for the 2010 summer that they no longer will be players in that free-agent bonanza.

The salary cap is going to go down again next summer, possibly down 10 percent to the low 50s. That's the low $50-millionish area.

For that reason, they should hope that the Marion thing works out."

WTF? I thought the lower salary cap was a good thing for the DUST chip.

grndmstr_c · 07-10-2009, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

I wonder if having Marion isn't better for Dirk than having Gasol...

A conjecture worthy of debate, to say the least. I have pretty high confidence that the Marion/Dirk forward combo will prove to be the best the team has had. Two of the most unusual players in the game, yet I think it's fair to say that they should complement one another about as well as two players can.

chumdawg · 07-10-2009, 01:36 AM

I'm still here to tell you...the idea that a team is going to watch a superstud player walk just so they can take a pittance in trade is ludicrous. DB.com is normally pretty good, but this idea is crazy.

grndmstr_c · 07-10-2009, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pkdumas

Why did Sefko blog that the Mavs are spent now? This contradicts everything else I've been hearing. The other blogger even wrote about the DUST chip a few posts before this one.

Sefko quote: "The Mavericks have rolled up enough payroll for the 2010 summer that they no longer will be players in that free-agent bonanza.

The salary cap is going to go down again next summer, possibly down 10 percent to the low 50s. That's the low $50-millionish area.

For that reason, they should hope that the Marion thing works out."

WTF? I thought the lower salary cap was a good thing for the DUST chip.

Sefko = short bus. He's a dumbass. This is just the latest in a string of really stupid things he's written this offseason.

sike · 07-10-2009, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I'm still here to tell you...the idea that a team is going to watch a superstud player walk just so they can take a pittance in trade is ludicrous. DB.com is normally pretty good, but this idea is crazy.

Is this in reference to the Mavs having one more move in them?

sike · 07-10-2009, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Sefko = short bus. He's a dumbass. This is just the latest in a string of really stupid things he's written this offseason.

there are probably literally 10 guys on this site who would do twice as good a job as beat reporter than that man.

sike · 07-10-2009, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

A conjecture worthy of debate, to say the least. I have pretty high confidence that the Marion/Dirk forward combo will prove to be the best the team has had. Two of the most unusual players in the game, yet I think it's fair to say that they should complement one another about as well as two players can.

I agree totally. In Marion I think Dirk finds a Ying to his Yang....whereas with Gasol I think their are too many similarities between them to get the best from both.

thats my two cents in a nutshell.

Five-ofan · 07-10-2009, 01:41 AM

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Oh, I don't at all think he'll be an impediment to ball-movement. I just think his strongest contribution to the Mavs passing game will be his ability to get open, catch, and finish. The team would still benefit from having another gifted passer, or perhaps more accurately, set-up guy (by positional standards, at least) in the rotation.

i can see your point but honestly josh is the only guy whos not a good passer for his position. I will be shocked if dirk doesnt average 4 apg this year.

Five-ofan · 07-10-2009, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

there are probably literally 10 guys on this site who would do twice as good a job as beat reporter than that man.

you are being really conservative. im betting its closer to 20

Nowitzki4President · 07-10-2009, 01:43 AM

Gasol = Poor mans Dirk, Bosh = Poor mans Gasol

So...

Dirk > Gasol > Bosh

Just had to say that...

sike · 07-10-2009, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

you are being really conservative. im betting its closer to 20

thats because you're a dirty liberal!!!

grndmstr_c · 07-10-2009, 01:44 AM

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i can see your point but honestly josh is the only guy whos not a good passer for his position. I will be shocked if dirk doesnt average 4 apg this year.

I might say Josh is the only guy who's a bad passer for his position. But I agree on Dirk.

sike · 07-10-2009, 01:48 AM

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I might say Josh is the only guy who's a bad passer for his position. But I agree on Dirk.

without having the interest to back this statement up with fact, let me just say that I bet of all the guys playing huge minutes at the 2 spot next year....Josh Howard will be near the very bottom of passing skill.

chumdawg · 07-10-2009, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

Is this in reference to the Mavs having one more move in them?

Not at all. Think it through. The DB.com scenario is entirely clueless. What would it take?

First of all, it would take a team not wanting to pay their player what he is worth.

HELLO! It should end there.

Next, it would take a team wanting to pick up cash or draft considerations to let their stud walk. That sounds really good, right? Except that you lose the guy you could have signed!

I mean, come on, the guys we are talking about have Bird rights. Their teams could sign them at any price. They would rather take Erick Dampier and cash and stuff?

Gimme a break. This sign-and-trade idea is the most pie in the sky notion I have ever heard about. There is not an NBA team out there that would fit as a trading partner. It's a ridiculous theory.

Dirkadirkastan · 07-10-2009, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

[breathe in slowly] Well, obviously, that's what you're gonna say when you're in that situation.

...and we'll go from there.

badfish22 · 07-10-2009, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

i can see your point but honestly josh is the only guy whos not a good passer for his position. I will be shocked if dirk doesnt average 4 apg this year.

Yeah, but i bet his rebounds go down with Marion and Gortat out there. Not that it matters at all, as long as he stay in that 25/10 club in the playoffs

sike · 07-10-2009, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Gimme a break. This sign-and-trade idea is the most pie in the sky notion I have ever heard about. There is not an NBA team out there that would fit as a trading partner. It's a ridiculous theory.

Oh, you're talking 2010.

On LeBron, Wade, and Co. I agree....but I don't doubt that the damp chip will come into play next season. Someone will realize they are going to lose their stud and before just letting walk will agree to a S&T...not for one of the top guys, but maybe a second tier star.

chumdawg · 07-10-2009, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sike

Oh, you're talking 2010.

On LeBron, Wade, and Co. I agree....but I don't doubt that the damp chip will come into play next season. Someone will realize they are going to lose their stud and before just letting walk will agree to a S&T...not for one of the top guys, but maybe a second tier star.

Nobody who is going to see their stud walk is going to take a sign-and-trade with the Mavericks. It could happen for mid-tier guys like Marion, but it is never EVER going to happen for a Tier 1 guy.

sike · 07-10-2009, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Nobody who is going to see their stud walk is going to take a sign-and-trade with the Mavericks. It could happen for mid-tier guys like Marion, but it is never EVER going to happen for a Tier 1 guy.

I agree...those guys almost always take the money at home base...or at worst get a great package if they get traded.

But lets not shoot down the idea of the combined talent and financial relief of a combo deal that Josh and Damp could provide.