Offseason 2010 Thread - Page 33 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

tcat075 · 07-04-2010, 10:07 AM

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Once again, why are people enamored with Chris Bosh? I'm starting to wonder if some folks around here have actually seen him play. The dude is a jumpshooter, that plays weak defense. There are nights when he goes all out, and goes to the rim. And there also many nights, when he chooses to stay on the perimeter shooting jumpers. I'm telling you folks, Bosh is NOT who we want. His defense is too weak, and he's not even a that good of a jumpshooter to shoot so much. And if he came here he'd have to play at the 5. Dirk and Bosh would be a layup line for an athletic team.

I don't like the poor interior defense either, but Bosh is a huge talent. Certainly, there are better fits out there, but if this is the only addition we can make, its still a big one.

tcat075 · 07-04-2010, 10:14 AM

With the Bosh rumors in mind, who is a better defender? Gortat or Haywood? Because with a hypothetical Dirk/Bosh combo at the 4 and the 5, we would need a defensive center to back them up.

This is still unlikely to happen, though. We've seen all the reports...Bosh does not want to come here. Perhaps he could change his mind, but just because the Mavericks have been pursuing and S&T with Toronto doesn't mean Bosh is going to accept it. It just means we could do it if he did change his mind.

GuerillaBlack · 07-04-2010, 10:29 AM

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That Denver offer looks enticing. Ty Lawson is a really good young talent, just like Roddy.

I think our offer being the best would totally depend on what the Mavericks are offering. Namely, is Beaubois part of it or not. Because honestly, he might not be. Bosh is hardly a perfect fit.

If either Dirk or Bosh have to play center full time in Dallas, it won't work. Bosh has already stated time and time again that he does not want to play center....and that he doesn't want to play in Dallas (so I really don't know why Cuban is trying to get him...I guess to show Dirk that he is trying?).

And someone earlier said Bosh only shoots jumpers. Well, the dude still shoots over 50% from the field. Not to mention he DOES get to the line a lot.

xrobx · 07-04-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LSMF

Once again, why are people enamored with Chris Bosh? I'm starting to wonder if some folks around here have actually seen him play. The dude is a jumpshooter, that plays weak defense. There are nights when he goes all out, and goes to the rim. And there also many nights, when he chooses to stay on the perimeter shooting jumpers.

ummm..... sounds a lot like someone else i know that already plays for dallas that we're all enamored with

dude1394 · 07-04-2010, 11:18 AM

I think that if either one sets their mind to it they could play center, I really do. Maybe not a great defensive center but they could play it.

Whoever it is however will be in foul trouble a lot and really be making some sacrifice to the team imo.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-04-2010, 11:33 AM

Some of you are underrating Bosh it seems. Imagine Dirk finally having a guy who can carry the team offensively. The offense will just have to click (and why wouldn't it) with the first line to make up for the interior defense.

Doesn't he live in Dallas? I'd be shocked if someone from the Mavs hasn't met with him personally.

Dirkenstien · 07-04-2010, 11:40 AM

Bosh is definitely worth the assets, but from all reports I've seen he doesn't like Dallas an doesn't want to play Center. He does have some maturity issues so if he's unhappy he'll cause some problems in the locker room. Obviously we would have the most dynamic front court in the league, but I'm just not sure it would work out.

xrobx · 07-04-2010, 12:24 PM

bosh is a power forward, neither him nor dirk will ever willingly play center, do you expect either one to come off the bench? he has no place here.

SMC0007 · 07-04-2010, 01:13 PM

Bosh can suck one.

LonghornDub · 07-04-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LSMF

Once again, why are people enamored with Chris Bosh? I'm starting to wonder if some folks around here have actually seen him play. The dude is a jumpshooter, that plays weak defense. There are nights when he goes all out, and goes to the rim. And there also many nights, when he chooses to stay on the perimeter shooting jumpers. I'm telling you folks, Bosh is NOT who we want. His defense is too weak, and he's not even a that good of a jumpshooter to shoot so much. And if he came here he'd have to play at the 5. Dirk and Bosh would be a layup line for an athletic team.

Bosh is not a good fit here IMO, but you are seriously underselling his quality as a player. He is very good.

KINGBEEF · 07-04-2010, 01:50 PM

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Bosh is not a good fit here IMO, but you are seriously underselling his quality as a player. He is very good.

we need to sign somebody soon

GuerillaBlack · 07-04-2010, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Some of you are underrating Bosh it seems. Imagine Dirk finally having a guy who can carry the team offensively. The offense will just have to click (and why wouldn't it) with the first line to make up for the interior defense.

Doesn't he live in Dallas? I'd be shocked if someone from the Mavs hasn't met with him personally.

Doesn't seem like he's met with anybody from the Mavs. He's only met with Houston, Chicago, Knicks, Nets, and Miami.

mac222b · 07-04-2010, 02:19 PM

i wasn't saying Bosh is ideal or is gonna come here. but his sheer talent alone would make this team better. and Roddy is going to be wayyyy better than Ty Lawson. Lawson's good but Roddy is a game changer. i'll be really sad if we move him.
Bosh isn't coming here but the FO should by all means make inquiries. he's a top 10 player in the world

tcat075 · 07-04-2010, 02:38 PM

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i wasn't saying Bosh is ideal or is gonna come here. but his sheer talent alone would make this team better. and Roddy is going to be wayyyy better than Ty Lawson. Lawson's good but Roddy is a game changer. i'll be really sad if we move him.
Bosh isn't coming here but the FO should by all means make inquiries. he's a top 10 player in the world

Is he? I think so, most Maverick fans think so, but we've watched his every game. Ty Lawson had a helluva season too, don't forget. We talk about Roddy going 50/40/80? Lawson went 50/40/75.

I'm not saying Lawson will be better, because I love Roddy and I think he's going to be real good. Really, really good. But I wouldn't assume Beaubois is regarded as being way better than Lawson. We see Roddy everyday, so yes, we think he's great, and he is, but I would love to know what someone who sees both of them a lot thinks.

BGMaverick9 · 07-04-2010, 03:33 PM

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we need to sign somebody soon

Based on who we would target, they're either going to be out of our price range or they aren't "next in line" to get paid...so if we're signing someone other than Haywood, the wait is going to be a while IMO.

LSMF · 07-04-2010, 03:42 PM

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Bosh is not a good fit here IMO, but you are seriously underselling his quality as a player. He is very good.

You know honestly, because people kept raving about him and I didn't see anything special about him I began to underrate him. He's a great player, he reminds of me a young KG. But Bosh is nowhere as intense as the young KG was, which at times hurts his game. I watch plenty of other teams games, not just the Mavs. Even though I'm a MFFL, I'm also a basketball fan in general. So I watch other teams when I get the chance. I've seen plenty of Raptor games where Bosh is simply not as aggressive as he should be. And I know you can say that for pretty much any player in the league, but I've seen it a lot from Bosh. I don't know though maybe his lack of aggression may come from playing on the Raptors.

But if the FO did get him, I wouldn't be mad even though I want someone who can score in the low post. If we could get someone like Al Jefferson here I would love it. Even though he plays bad defense as well, his post moves are beauty to watch. He inside game compliments Dirk offensively. The funny thing is that folks love to say Jefferson isn't athletic or a high flier but the guy has his moments. One moment he'll be scoring on a hook shot, the next moment he'll be dunking on the other team's big man. I really think the FO should try to get Big Al here in Dallas, Dirk has never had a center like Jefferson. I really think playing in a winning environment will help his defense. Defense is mostly effort and Schemes. Playing for a contender will help Jefferson increase his effort, and Carlislie has plenty of defensive schemes. And we can get a strong defensive at backup center to help out Big Al. What do you guys think of this?

mavs777 · 07-04-2010, 03:53 PM

Bosh is a better fit here than AL Jefferson or Gortat

grndmstr_c · 07-04-2010, 04:10 PM

Jefferson over Bosh. Wow.

Rick41 · 07-04-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Bosh is a better fit here than AL Jefferson or Gortat

Not so much Gortat for defensive reasons.

mavs777 · 07-04-2010, 04:32 PM

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Not so much Gortat for defensive reasons.

Gortat has yet to prove he can score, and is foul prone, as you guys saw in the playoffs who do we have that can score consistently in the half court other than Dirk? Bosh is a much much better player than Gortat and is a better fit

LSMF · 07-04-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Jefferson over Bosh. Wow.

Yup. I'd take Jefferson over Bosh. Is it wrong that I want a big man that can score in the paint to compliment Dirk? I hope you realize that Jefferson is arguably the best low post scorer in the league. He's a far better low post scorer than Bosh. Bosh is the better player, but Jefferson is the better fit. So yes, Jefferson over Bosh.

mkat · 07-04-2010, 04:47 PM

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Yup. I'd take Jefferson over Bosh. Is it wrong that I want a big man that can score in the paint to compliment Dirk? I hope you realize that Jefferson is arguably the best low post scorer in the league. He's a far better low post scorer than Bosh. Bosh is the better player, but Jefferson is the better fit. So yes, Jefferson over Bosh.

totally agree.

Dirkadirkastan · 07-04-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Jefferson over Bosh. Wow.

Shooting 50% from four feet is more valuable than shooting 50% from 10 feet, don'tcha know?

LonghornDub · 07-04-2010, 05:05 PM

Bosh is considerably better than Al Jefferson. Bosh is monumentally better than Gortat.

SMC0007 · 07-04-2010, 05:06 PM

^dirkastan hasn't seen a lick of Jefferson.

mac222b · 07-04-2010, 05:06 PM

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Is he? I think so, most Maverick fans think so, but we've watched his every game. Ty Lawson had a helluva season too, don't forget. We talk about Roddy going 50/40/80? Lawson went 50/40/75.

I'm not saying Lawson will be better, because I love Roddy and I think he's going to be real good. Really, really good. But I wouldn't assume Beaubois is regarded as being way better than Lawson. We see Roddy everyday, so yes, we think he's great, and he is, but I would love to know what someone who sees both of them a lot thinks.

Ty Lawson's good don't get me wrong. but he's never going to be entered in a dunk contest. Roddy has sick hops to go along w/ his other skills. that combination is what has us all excited. Lawson has room to improve through sheer repetition and in learning the pro game. Roddy has the upside to be an all-star multiple times. any GM would roll the dice on that.

SMC0007 · 07-04-2010, 05:08 PM

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Bosh is considerably better than Al Jefferson. Bosh is monumentally better than Gortat.

But it doesn't prove Bosh is a better fit for the Mavs, hope you realize that.

Rick41 · 07-04-2010, 05:27 PM

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Gortat has yet to prove he can score, and is foul prone, as you guys saw in the playoffs who do we have that can score consistently in the half court other than Dirk? Bosh is a much much better player than Gortat and is a better fit

That's why I said for defensive purposes. With Dirk and Bosh guarding the rim, it's going to be a layup drill.

LonghornDub · 07-04-2010, 05:33 PM

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But it doesn't prove Bosh is a better fit for the Mavs, hope you realize that.

I don't think Bosh is a good fit. I said so above. However, he is so much better than either of those players that, yes, it does make him a better fit than either of them. If the talent gap is big enough and your options are limited, you take the best player and don't worry about fit.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-04-2010, 05:37 PM

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I don't think Bosh is a good fit. I said so above. However, he is so much better than either of those players that, yes, it does make him a better fit than either of them. If the talent gap is big enough and your options are limited, you take the best player and don't worry about fit.

And I think Cuban would agree with this as well with his open pursuit of Lamar Odom last summer. We were crammed at that position.

grndmstr_c · 07-04-2010, 05:40 PM

It's not wrong to want a big that can score in the post, but if his overall efficiency and passing skills are middle-of-the-road it's not going to do you nearly as much good as a number of people here think. Jefferson undoubtedly has a more impressive low-post repertoire than Bosh, but Bosh is a clear top-10 performer and, unlike Jefferson, one of the most efficient - and among big men, versatile - #1 scoring options in the entire NBA. It's fine to talk about fit if the players in question are comparable in overall quality, but Jefferson never has been able to provide his teams with a quality of play that matches what Bosh has given the Raptors year in and year out. I guarantee you there's not a front office in the league (including the Mavs, thankfully) who would opt for Jefferson over Bosh, regardless of who else was on their roster.

dirno2000 · 07-04-2010, 05:44 PM

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Ty Lawson's good don't get me wrong. but he's never going to be entered in a dunk contest. Roddy has sick hops to go along w/ his other skills. that combination is what has us all excited. Lawson has room to improve through sheer repetition and in learning the pro game. Roddy has the upside to be an all-star multiple times. any GM would roll the dice on that.

Chris Paul is a little doughy and will never be in the dunk contest either so I'm not sure that's the best measure of a young PG's potential. If it were Nate Robinson would be starting for someone. Leaping ability is nice but it's not nearly as important as speed and the ability to start and stop on a dime. Both players have that but unlike Beabous nobody questions Lawson's ability to run the point. I like our guy but the jury is still out on who will be the better player.

Thomas86 · 07-04-2010, 06:08 PM

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Sources say that the Mavericks have identified Minnesota's Al Jefferson and Charlotte's Tyson Chandler as potential trade options, but those are secondary targets given Nowitzki's need for someone on the wings who can consistently occupy defenses, create his own offense and open things up for him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...ory?id=5352960

BGMaverick9 · 07-04-2010, 06:24 PM

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http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...ory?id=5352960

I can see the reasons for both, but if they really are secondary options...DUST is out of play, especially for Chandler.

Bringing back Haywood and finding a guard who can thrive with scoring and not be a liability on defense are the two primary actions that need to happen.

LonghornDub · 07-04-2010, 06:36 PM

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And I think Cuban would agree with this as well with his open pursuit of Lamar Odom last summer. We were crammed at that position.

Great point.

sike · 07-04-2010, 07:03 PM

Tyson Chandler is lame

LonghornDub · 07-04-2010, 07:09 PM

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Tyson Chandler is lame

Yeah, talk about underwhelming. I thought we were trying to get better.

xrobx · 07-04-2010, 07:11 PM

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Tyson Chandler is lame

no kidding, we might as well sign mike tyson or chandler bing from friends, they would be just as useful as tyson chandler

sike · 07-04-2010, 07:31 PM

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no kidding, we might as well sign mike tyson or chandler bing from friends, they would be just as useful as tyson chandler

rep

mac222b · 07-04-2010, 07:39 PM

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Tyson Chandler is lame

he is quite literally lame. as in hobbled. gimpy