Offseason 2010 Thread - Page 36 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

SMC0007 · 07-06-2010, 01:17 AM

Some one, anyone... even if it's a F off.

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Originally Posted by sike
What is TMac and his lazy eye worth?

Thats what I'm getting at. I surely don't know but I like a guy who feels like he has something to prove, that he can stay healthy and play at a level that can help the team. I wouldn't mind him at an affordable and reasonable rate. Decent wing player who can pass, create a little, he can handle the ball and play the SG position with a nice shot. He' isn't what he was obviously but if it's reasonable, I would love to have him, if Iggy and the last batch of upgrades left come up short. He has shown flashes and I wonder, what if he were with a better team; could he make a few steps up to where he used to be?

fluid.forty.one · 07-06-2010, 02:18 AM

That Dirk article got me pumped the hell up!

Rick41 · 07-06-2010, 02:29 AM

I want to have Dirks babies.

EricaLubarsky · 07-06-2010, 02:39 AM

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=3277
Simmons has a nice idea. Too bad that his posting of it is the kiss of death and Simmons is rarely right

Would you trade DUST, Butler, Kidd and Beaubois...

for Paul, Okafor and the offchance that Posey could have a decent season again?

Paul would give us an enormous star-quality PG that can penetrate
Okafor is a nice 10-10 guy that is a little small but a decent 4/5 that could play 5 here.

Okafor/Haywood(?)
Dirk/Eddie
Marion/Stevenson
Terry/Caroll/DoJo
Paul/JJB

I'd hate to give up Beaubois but if healthy, Paul is an allstar now while Beaubois' value might be as high as its going to get with the rookie mystique. He could be a starter but Paul is an allstar right now and he can penetrate/kick right now.

We'd be blowing DUST, Butler and Beaubois all in one bound but it addresses a few of our needs.

Thomas86 · 07-06-2010, 02:41 AM

Mavs interested in Shaq

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The Dallas Mavericks are one of three teams that have shown interest in acquiring future Hall-of-Fame center Shaquille O'Neal, according to a report by ESPN's Chris Broussard.

"O'Neal also has a close relationship with Dallas Mavericks star Dirk Nowitzki," Broussard writes. "Mavericks owner Mark Cuban has long had interest in bringing O'Neal to Dallas, where he could conceivably help the Mavericks matchup better against the Lakers."

O'Neal is 38 years old. He played last season for Cleveland, after spending the first 17 seasons of his career playing for Orlando, Los Angeles , Miami and Phoenix.

According to Broussard, the Hawks and Celtics are also interested in signing 7-foot-1, 325-pound big man. All three teams are over the salary cap and would only be able to offer O'Neal the mid-level exception of $5.8 million per season, Broussard writes.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...110497a06.html

I don't think Shaq would be a bad fit on the Mavs since the Mavs like taking jump shots and don't drive to the paint, Shaq will have more room in the paint to work and look for open shooters.

mavs777 · 07-06-2010, 02:43 AM

The idea of taking Posey is simply because of his horrible contract helps NO in the future and now when it comes to the cap and luxery tax

Thomas86 · 07-06-2010, 02:47 AM

I think the Hornets are gonna want the Mavs to take Peja bad contract also

Dirkadirkastan · 07-06-2010, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick41

I want to have Dirks babies.

You can't have Dirk's babies, Rick.

Rick41 · 07-06-2010, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

You can't have Dirk's babies, Rick.

Blasphemy!

mac222b · 07-06-2010, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

What a phag. First it's Chris "Both" and now he wants to see Iggy in a Mavs forum!

i think when he said "Chris Both" he was confusing him with the guy from Sex and the City. oh no, know i sound like a phag. wanna meet me at 9:30am for a game of one on one?

mac222b · 07-06-2010, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=3277
Simmons has a nice idea. Too bad that his posting of it is the kiss of death and Simmons is rarely right

Would you trade DUST, Butler, Kidd and Beaubois...

for Paul, Okafor and the offchance that Posey could have a decent season again?

Paul would give us an enormous star-quality PG that can penetrate
Okafor is a nice 10-10 guy that is a little small but a decent 4/5 that could play 5 here.

Okafor/Haywood(?)
Dirk/Eddie
Marion/Stevenson
Terry/Caroll/DoJo
Paul/JJB

I'd hate to give up Beaubois but if healthy, Paul is an allstar now while Beaubois' value might be as high as its going to get with the rookie mystique. He could be a starter but Paul is an allstar right now and he can penetrate/kick right now.

We'd be blowing DUST, Butler and Beaubois all in one bound but it addresses a few of our needs.

what i like about this is it leaves us with the MLE for someone like Mike Miller or Raja Bell instead of another big man(if it got done soon, that is). and Peja certainly helps the team more if we have to take him back instead of Posey. but still thats an awful lot to give. tough call.

rabbitproof · 07-06-2010, 06:15 AM

Dirk's ready for the short and the long. He's the man.

Hope we can deliver for him.... I think the SnT dreams are expired and we now have to look at teams who want to shed salary. In my estimate, there's the home run strategy and the single-double strategy. Both are expensive.

1) Home run: Bringing in CP3 is like bringing in Wade/LBJ. As discussed by Simmons and others, we would use a combination of Roddy/Damp/Butler and more salary to get CP3 and some heavyweight contracts. The result: our top two would be better than anybody else's top two - this includes the Lakers' IMO (by a hair). The cast of Marion/Emeka/Kidd/JET/MLE would be sufficient. I think we still fall a little short, especially if the Lakers keep upgrading, but we would go to seven and have second-best Vegas odds. This represents a remarkably different direction we've gone for the last 6-odd years or so. We would have a bona-fide All-Star alongside Dirk, someone people might consider his equal or superior player. Depth would be solid but no clear third banana. It's a very Laker-strategy I think.

2) Singles/doubles: This is more in-line with our current strategy, admittedly probably by default as In-Their-Prime All-Stars aren't lining up the streets looking for work, of building around Dirk with "good" cast players who are clearly two-plus tiers below Dirk. The shift from the current strategy is that the Mavs get to go younger (guys who could still improve as opposed to regress) since our assets to trade are better. We would put the same list of assets (minus Roddy) to acquiring a couple of expensive under-30 misfits, which is also not a very long list. These would be guys like Iggy and Al Jefferson. I don't think there's a similar version to this strategy being implemented in the league (partially you are building around a top-7 guy but also because you are taking on loads of salary). We would have:

Kidd
Iggy
Marion
Dirk
Al
Bench: Roddy, JET, MLE

3) This isn't really a third point but it probably more like defense/pitching if I'm sticking to the baseball analogy. I don't think the team will do all three of the following:

1. Add expensive contracts via trade
2. MLE it out max-style
3. Resign Wood to his likely overpriced contract.

Just listening to Dirk's words, he seems weary of blowing so much cap space on a 30+ guy who's been a part-time starter. He seems to know Cuban won't add on 100M+ in salary. He's thinking four years and in my estimate, putting 40-60 million of Cuban's cash to paying Iggy/Al makes more sense than resigning Wood for 50+.

As an alternative to signing Haywood, assuming we've committed 50-60 million for Iggy/Al or CP3/junk, I like the idea of using the MLE for Jermaine O'Neal for 15million/2-3 years vs. Haywood for 5+ years.

jthig32 · 07-06-2010, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Some one, anyone... even if it's a F off.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sike
What is TMac and his lazy eye worth?

Thats what I'm getting at. I surely don't know but I like a guy who feels like he has something to prove, that he can stay healthy and play at a level that can help the team. I wouldn't mind him at an affordable and reasonable rate. Decent wing player who can pass, create a little, he can handle the ball and play the SG position with a nice shot. He' isn't what he was obviously but if it's reasonable, I would love to have him, if Iggy and the last batch of upgrades left come up short. He has shown flashes and I wonder, what if he were with a better team; could he make a few steps up to where he used to be?

I would imagine McGrady's looking at taking someone BAE, or the league minimum. And he might be serviceable as a low end rotation player (think 8th or 9th guy off the bench), but I'm not real confident that his ego will allow him to play that role.

Dirkenstien · 07-06-2010, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

Mavs interested in Shaq

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...110497a06.html

I don't think Shaq would be a bad fit on the Mavs since the Mavs like taking jump shots and don't drive to the paint, Shaq will have more room in the paint to work and look for open shooters.

Great to hear. I think he'd be a good fit in a secondary (15-20 minutes a game role) and gives us a little more leverage in dealing with Haywood and DUST.

Dirkenstien · 07-06-2010, 08:22 AM

Apparently Phoenix is wanting to get at least something in return for Amare. Could this bolster Dallas' chances at working a S&T for an All-Star? No one wants to be the first team to trade away their star, but if Phoenix does it here that may break the ice and get things rolling. Something to think about.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar..._with_knicks/#

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Suns Want To Work Amar'e Sign-And-Trade With Knicks

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...#ixzz0suMzL2Aa

The Suns may try to get something out of Amar'e Stoudemire's departure after all.

The Arizona Republic is reporting that Phoenix is working to use Stoudemire's rights in a sign-and-trade deal with the Knicks.

Stoudemire agreed to a five-year, $99.7 million deal with New York on Monday.

Phoenix could receive a trade exception in a sign-and-trade with New York worth up to $17 million, unless they take back a player like free-agent David Lee.

The Suns would have to use a part of the trade exception in a sign-and-trade with Chicago in order to finalize their four-year, $18 million agreement with Hakim Warrick.

"If we can do something to help Phoenix, we will," Stoudemire's agent, Happy Walters, said.

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...#ixzz0suMHz4t6

CapitanObvious · 07-06-2010, 10:04 AM

LBJ or Wade will be playing for dallas this season.

bernardos70 · 07-06-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CapitanObvious

LBJ Nor Wade will be playing for dallas this season.

FYP

SMC0007 · 07-06-2010, 11:04 AM

Maybe Bosh-LBJ in Cleveland would scare Wade into a Mavs Jersey. That would certainly be better for him than adding Boozer to Miami.

Thomas86 · 07-06-2010, 11:04 AM

If the Mavs are offered Beasley and Jermaine O'neal for Haywood then the Mavs should do it, I think with all the vets on the Mavs and getting away for that Miami night life would help Beasley, I thought Stevenson was gonna come to the Mavs and raise hell but he didn't and that might have been due to Kidd and Dirk leadership.

SMC0007 · 07-06-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

If the Mavs are offered Beasley and Jermaine O'neal for Haywood then the Mavs should do it, I think with all the vets on the Mavs and getting away for that Miami night life would help Beasley, I thought Stevenson was gonna come to the Mavs and raise hell but he didn't and that might have been due to Kidd and Dirk leadership.

No way.

Thomas86 · 07-06-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

No way.

Ok let's see if Cuban will pay Haywood 10 Mill a year.

Underdog · 07-06-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

Ok let's see if Cuban will pay Haywood 10 Mill a year.

Dirk just saved Cuban $4mil/year.

If Haywood is worth $6mil/year, then paying him $10mil/year is doable (and for all we know, that might be EXACTLY why Dirk took less money...)

Rick41 · 07-06-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

Ok let's see if Cuban will pay Haywood 10 Mill a year.

Dampier is loling at you.

SMC0007 · 07-06-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

Ok let's see if Cuban will pay Haywood 10 Mill a year.

So you want to take a legit starter at center and trade him for two guys that are barely worth a damn and can't start at center. Beasley is seemingly as bad as Jho and Oneal is hobbled by injury, doesn't rebound and can't play defense that well.

BGMaverick9 · 07-06-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

So you want to take a legit starter at center and trade him for two guys that are barely worth a damn and can't start at center. Beasley is seemingly as bad as Jho and Oneal is hobbled by injury, doesn't rebound and can't play defense that well.

If you're having to overpay Haywood (over the 10 million range), then you're next best option is to find more pieces for a trade. They could certainly do a lot worse than JO and Beasley.

SMC0007 · 07-06-2010, 12:32 PM

maybe, but they could better. That seems like it is creating more problems.

LonghornDub · 07-06-2010, 12:43 PM

Beasley is 21. Let's tap the breaks on saying he's not that good. He was a beast in college and has about 7-8 years to go before he even enters his prime.

SMC0007 · 07-06-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Beasley is 21. Let's tap the breaks on saying he's not that good. He was a beast in college and has about 7-8 years to go before he even enters his prime.

Not sure how to tap the BREAKS

but 28-29 is a late prime.

sike · 07-06-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Beasley is 21. Let's tap the breaks on saying he's not that good. He was a beast in college and has about 7-8 years to go before he even enters his prime.

I agree...but wonder what position he plays in the NBA. And what role he would serve for the Mavs...with Marion, Dirk, and Butler all needing big minutes, I'm not sure where he get his.

fluid.forty.one · 07-06-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Not sure how to tap the BREAKS

but 28-29 is a late prime.

Um, 28-29 is not late prime. 31 is late prime... and I'm more worried about 5 years from now than 10. Heck, if we got him now we probably wouldn't have him 10 years from now.

BGMaverick9 · 07-06-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

I agree...but wonder what position he plays in the NBA. And what role he would serve for the Mavs...with Marion, Dirk, and Butler all needing big minutes, I'm not sure where he get his.

I might have had the wrong idea but I've heard he's got the frame to play the Small and Power Forward, so that is where my suggestion came from to have him play behind Marion. If that is the case, he can clearly get minutes as Dirk's backup and Marion's backup. I have no idea how the styles would mesh: Dirk and Beasley and Beasley and Marion.

Underdog · 07-06-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Beasley is 21. Let's tap the breaks on saying he's not that good. He was a beast in college and has about 7-8 years to go before he even enters his prime.

For a "win-now" team like the Mavs, I'd say this fact weighs heavier as a reason NOT to pull the trigger...

BGMaverick9 · 07-06-2010, 01:15 PM

It's debatable on whether or not adding Beasley to your bench improves the team, but if he does then that makes the team better...which is the ultimate goal (no matter if you're playing to win now or playing for the future).

Underdog · 07-06-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

It's debatable on whether or not adding Beasley to your bench improves the team, but if he does then that makes the team better...which is the ultimate goal (no matter if you're playing to win now or playing for the future).

I think it becomes less of a debate when you consider the cost - I'd rather overpay Haywood than trade him for ill-fitting spare parts...

BGMaverick9 · 07-06-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I think it becomes less of a debate when you consider the cost - I'd rather overpay Haywood than trade him for ill-fitting spare parts...

At the risk of him being Damp 2.0 within this season?

LonghornDub · 07-06-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

For a "win-now" team like the Mavs, I'd say this fact weighs heavier as a reason NOT to pull the trigger...

True, but I didn't suggest that the Mavs should take him. I don't want him at all. Just saying we shouldn't act like he's a lost cause. I disagree with some of the sentiments (some of which are in the other thread) that he's already a bust or nearing that point. He's got some real psychological issues, but he still has the potential to be a very nice player one day. Of course, that means little to us, since we're in win-now mode. Just thought I'd defend the kid a bit.

LonghornDub · 07-06-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Not sure how to tap the BREAKS

but 28-29 is a late prime.

28-29 is not late prime. That's ridiculous.

Embarrassing on the "breaks" thing. Good catch.

sike · 07-06-2010, 01:30 PM

I bet Cuban promised Dirk the moon...and I bet he'll do his darndest to deliver THIS off season...

Historically (other than the Kidd move) our FO does things in a very sneaky way...I'm hoping that all this quite is a good sign.

Underdog · 07-06-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

At the risk of him being Damp 2.0 within this season?

Yep.

I didn't say that overpaying Haywood was a GOOD option, just a BETTER option than taking on Jermaine O'Neal and Michael Beasley because we don't need either of them (I actually think Damp is a better option than JO...)

SMC0007 · 07-06-2010, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

28-29 is not late prime. That's ridiculous.

Embarrassing on the "breaks" thing. Good catch.

NBA players as you said "entering" their prime at 28-29 is late at best. Especially for a pot head who was a great college player. You want a guy to enter his prime 25-26 and hope it last to 31-32.