2019 Mavs Free Agency

[Melonhead]

I know everyone loves to hate LA, but this will not prevent them from signing a max if one is available. Pelinka/Griffin aren’t not going to communicate and then just screw over the other on a technicality. A little trust goes into deals like this.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'm sure the Lakers could create a max slot if they got a commitment. Don't see this as big news.

LOL, the Lakers only have 5 players on their roster now, and cutting Wagner and Bonga only saves them about $3.5m (they’re still paying Deng $5m after stretching him)... It’s literally impossible to clear the space unless NO does them a solid, which they won’t.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

I know everyone loves to hate LA, but this will not prevent them from signing a max if one is available. Pelinka/Griffin aren’t not going to communicate and then just screw over the other on a technicality. A little trust goes into deals like this.

Why would NO hand a conference rival the ability to sign a third max FA on top of giving them AD? Especially when those draft picks are tied to the Lakers success? And especially-especially after AD and Rich Paul held NO’s feet to the fire?? I see zero motivation for the Pelicans to help a team who colluded to steal their franchise player any further than they already have. Let the Lakers burn.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

I know everyone loves to hate LA, but this will not prevent them from signing a max if one is available. Pelinka/Griffin aren’t not going to communicate and then just screw over the other on a technicality. A little trust goes into deals like this.

You may forgot that Pelinka is the GM of the franchise that strongarmed the Pelicans with use of blackmail into trading Davis to the Lakers in the first place. Pelinka was part of the braintrust that destroyed Davis trade value for any other destination.

Pelinka was also the GM who tried to ridiculous lowball the Pelicans before the trade deadline because he thought they have the pelicans by the balls.

Griffin owns Pelinka nothing, specially trust. I really think Pelinka dropped the ball here because he (and the rest of the Lakers FO) simply suck. Griffin maybe even realized it and it was a part of his trade evaluation.

[sefant77]

Pelicans shopping #4. If they agree to delay the trade into late june, the player couldnt play in the SL. And i think the potential team who is trading for #4 is going to demand that the trade wont get delayed so their guy can play in the SL.

Although the Pelicans are open to working with the Lakers and delaying the trade, it’s unlikely that will happen, according to multiple people familiar with their thinking. New Orleans’ priority will be to make the fourth pick as attractive as possible to another team.
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It’s likely that whatever team they trade the fourth pick to will want the player in their building as quickly as possible, and will want him to play at the Las Vegas Summer League, which will be held July 5-15. If the Pelicans opt to keep the pick, they might also want him to participate in Summer League.

[hayth.james.g]

We also don’t know if there was any verbal agreement tied into the trade. Pure speculation at this point, but I do agree that it wouldn’t make sense to intentionally make a super team out of a conference rival.

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if we should be committed to Julius Randle. What kind of contract do we think he will command?

Stylistically, he makes sense as he will play the 4 on defense and 5 on offense. Seems like a natural solid pair with KP.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Stylistically, he makes sense as he will play the 4 on defense and 5 on offense. Seems like a natural solid pair with KP.

He definitely makes sense on offense. He gives you inside points, firepower, better transition movement and he is a much improved long-range threat as of last season. He is also an exceptional rebounder for his size.

Most experts point to his man defense as a weakness. Defense has become a weird metric for teams, so I can't say anymore what "good" is on defense. Patrick Beverley is the only person these days who is a defensive one-on-one nightmare, and I can actually see it in a game. Everyone else is managing some sort of team defense, and I don't know anymore how teams measure it.

Randall has a motor, and may be perfectly adequate on defense in the right system. Given his history in Dallas, he may be more "get-able" than other free agents. If the Mavs don't go after him, then they probably know something. Either his defense is too weak, or they are looking for someone with more maturity.

Just about every free agent has flaws. It's a matter of "can you cover the flaws" and does the player meet the needs of offensive firepower for this team.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by JJP

He definitely makes sense on offense. He gives you inside points, firepower, better transition movement and he is a much improved long-range threat as of last season. He is also an exceptional rebounder for his size.

Most experts point to his man defense as a weakness. Defense has become a weird metric for teams, so I can't say anymore what "good" is on defense. Patrick Beverley is the only person these days who is a defensive one-on-one nightmare, and I can actually see it in a game. Everyone else is managing some sort of team defense, and I don't know anymore how teams measure it.

Randall has a motor, and may be perfectly adequate on defense in the right system. Given his history in Dallas, he may be more "get-able" than other free agents. If the Mavs don't go after him, then they probably know something. Either his defense is too weak, or they are looking for someone with more maturity.

Just about every free agent has flaws. It's a matter of "can you cover the flaws" and does the player meet the needs of offensive firepower for this team.

Id love to have him depending on cost and ability to have cap room for a wing

[Underdog]

Speaking of Randle, he just officially became available...

@ShamsCharania: Pelicans‘ Julius Randle is not picking up his $9M player option for next season and will enter unrestricted free agency, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium. Randle is coming off his best NBA season (21.4 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 34.4 percent from 3-point range on 195 attempts).

[Underdog]

@rick_bonnell: Kemba said Thursday that while Hornets are his first priority, he intends to meet with other teams before deciding. Lakers and Mavericks both have intriguing pitches to make him.

[endtroducing MASKED]

Randle is more versatile offensively than people think. He can shoot and play on the perimeter as well. I like the fit with him because of that. It’s obvious that we aren’t going to be a defensive minded team, might as well beat the other team into submission offensively.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

Randle is more versatile offensively than people think. He can shoot and play on the perimeter as well. I like the fit with him because of that. It’s obvious that we aren’t going to be a defensive minded team, might as well beat the other team into submission offensively.

I agree, but I'm not as optimistic about getting him with Powell extended.

[pocman]

Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

Randle is more versatile offensively than people think. He can shoot and play on the perimeter as well. I like the fit with him because of that. It’s obvious that we aren’t going to be a defensive minded team, might as well beat the other team into submission offensively.

Also, his "bruiser" style of play would probably help to protect a bit KP (as other teams will need to put their most physical guys on Randle, and Randle offense will surely "wear them off").

[j0Shi]

If you're pessimistic about the Mavs getting someone in free agency, I'd advise you to listen to Isaac on LockedOn today. He seems VERY positive. Says the next three weeks will be "fun" and that fans will be even more confident than today.

Not that he has true "sources", but talks to people a lot of course. Seems like many feel the Mavs have positioned themselves well and have a great strategic plan how to approach the off-season.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

If you're pessimistic about the Mavs getting someone in free agency, I'd advise you to listen to Isaac on LockedOn today. He seems VERY positive. Says the next three weeks will be "fun" and that fans will be even more confident than today.

Not that he has true "sources", but talks to people a lot of course. Seems like many feel the Mavs have positioned themselves well and have a great strategic plan how to approach the off-season.

I don't think anyone is pessimistic about the Mavs being able to sign a FA. The caliber of player, and how that player fits our overall strategy and chemistry is where the concern lies.

I still say we should throw a ridiculous offer at Brogdon and see if it sticks.

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

I don't think anyone is pessimistic about the Mavs being able to sign a FA. The caliber of player, and how that player fits our overall strategy and chemistry is where the concern lies.

I still say we should throw a ridiculous offer at Brogdon and see if it sticks.

Imho there's more though. Feels like there's a distinct plan that has a very high likelihood of actually happening and won't include one of the current high buzz/rumor guys (Kemba, D-Lo, etc.). If I had to bet, I'd throw some money on one of the Phila dudes (Harris, Butler).

Brogdon would make sense too, but only if the Mavs knew that Milwaukee is very unlikely to match. There's some chatter about the fact that the Bucks are not interested in being a taxplayer for too long, but still hard to envision that they won't keep the core together. Kawhi will be gone and the only emerging team might be the Nets. They are the overwhelming favorite to win the East.

[turin]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Damn really was hoping for Kemba...solid dude. If Im him, I go straight to LA though. Lebron/AD/Kemba gets you to the WCF barring injury now that GS is out of the picture.

DAngelo?

My thoughts exactly. I was really silently hoping for Kemba. What a great problem to have working to fit him in with Luka and KP. :-( I guess the up side is that I don't foresee the Lakers window for contention to be more than 3 years max IF they get another star. Lebron is on the downhill, Glassthony Davis will be on and off the court, so they definitely need another stud who can stay healthy.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@rick_bonnell: Kemba said Thursday that while Hornets are his first priority, he intends to meet with other teams before deciding. Lakers and Mavericks both have intriguing pitches to make him.

Shoot me.

Nothing is more stupid than taking meetings and dragging it out when everyone tampers the shit out of it the weeks before.

Whats the point of a meeting with the Lakers? His agent is going to tell him the contract numbers they can offer. "here, thats the numbers + lebron + AD".

Or a Mavs meeting. "Max offer + Luka + KP + Rick + stable franchise".

duuuuh

[turin]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Shoot me.

Nothing is more stupid than taking meetings and dragging it out when everyone tampers the shit out of it the weeks before.

Whats the point of a meeting with the Lakers? His agent is going to tell him the contract numbers they can offer. "here, thats the numbers + lebron + AD".

Or a Mavs meeting. "Max offer + Luka + KP + Rick + stable franchise".

duuuuh

After reading that the Lakers probably won't be able to offer Kemba a max offer, I'm giving the Mavs a 50/50 shot at signing him.

[endtroducing MASKED]

Brooklyn renounces Rondae Hollis-Jefferson. I wouldn’t mind having him for 3 million per year. Better than DFS.

[sefant77]

He is getting at least 5m

Could be a plan b together with Beverley and Dedmon.

[saclare]

Meh, maybe as a 4th addition or so, not sure what he brings? Shooting is atrocious.

[endtroducing MASKED]

Originally Posted by saclare

Meh, maybe as a 4th addition or so, not sure what he brings? Shooting is atrocious.

Defends four positions

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

Defends four positions

Eddie Najera 2.0

[sefant77]

a more sucking Marcus Smart

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by mavs531

What is there to talk about? Vuc has had 1 good game in this series with the other 3 totaling rebounds of 5, 6, and 8. You want THAT production in the playoffs next to KP??? Why? Not only that, his whole game has been terrible. Pretty evident to me, not stupid at all. Any true basketball fan would see how timid he is out there right now in games where it counts.

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Oh, which games don't count? Regular season games? Teams should just skip those, then?

And you base a player's entire value on 4 games? What if I picked 4 other games, where he had monster nights?

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by tap2390

We absolutely should not overpay for a traditional center. Guys like Gasol, Horford, Valanciunas, Ed Davis, Javale McGee, etc. should all be available and we should explore whichever one of them is cheapest to pair with Pat Bev and a wing (Brogdon, who may be odd man out due to cost because of emergence of Sterling Brown).

The value of centers seems to be changing in today's NBA. Previously, if you were 6'10"+, and had a decent game or two, teams would shower you with money. That's not happening any more. So, yes, we should be careful and not overspend.

Gasol is a perfect example.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

Brooklyn renounces Rondae Hollis-Jefferson. I wouldn’t mind having him for 3 million per year. Better than DFS.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by BigDog63

The value of centers seems to be changing in today's NBA. Previously, if you were 6'10"+, and had a decent game or two, teams would shower you with money. That's not happening any more. So, yes, we should be careful and not overspend.

Gasol is a perfect example.

I agree, but let's keep this in mind. Valanciunas was traded for Gasol for probably just one reason.... Gasol can space the floor with his consistent outside shooting. And it was a good call by Toronto.

I am of the opinion that the Mavs are a team going in this direction. That is the future for a lot of teams, and Carlisle-Mavs is no exception . That's why Valanciunas will not be an ideal fit for teams like the Mavs, while Vucevic might be. It's not always about individual metrics.

[JJP]

Just to follow up the above idea, it now appears that the Bucks are tying to unload Ersan IIyasova for a draft pick. They need more cap space.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/...-cap-room.html

IIyasova is 32, so the Mavs wouldn't want him except to finish out his contract in 2021. But if anyone watched the Bucks in the playoff games, you know what this guy brings to the table. He's a big guy who shoots a terrific 36% 3-point shot (and he shoots it a lot). He plays about 20 minutes a night - and is the backup PF for the Bucks.

In this Mavs scenario, Maybe Powell starts and IIyasova is a backup big man. Either way, you've added a mobile big man who spaces the floor... and you get him, hopefully, for nothing more than a 2nd round draft pick and maybe some cash.

These are the kind of moves that make sense for Dallas (even if this exact move never happens). They aren't sexy moves, but I would much rather see a move like this than try to imagine a player for pick #37 - a player who probably won't make it out of the G league.

[Melonhead]

Beverly will be meeting with at least 5 teams. So we might have to put to rest him on the roster as a foregone conclusion as some posters assume.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Beverly will be meeting with at least 5 teams. So we might have to put to rest him on the roster as a foregone conclusion as some posters assume.

Need a cartoon to get him here. Worked well for Howard.

[Melonhead]

Throwing out shooters for smaller contracts, what about Jeremy Lamb

[SMC0007]

Any player looking for their big payday can be marked off our list. Especially anyone who isn't top tier.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Throwing out shooters for smaller contracts, what about Jeremy Lamb

Statistically, he's an upgrade for several current Mavericks, and his contract is nice. He'd be a good rotation player. Certainly better than Hardaway.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Any player looking for their big payday can be marked off our list. Especially anyone who isn't top tier.

There's more money than FAs this summer, so EVERYONE is looking for a payday... Gonna be a lot of overpays this offseason.

[mavs531]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Throwing out shooters for smaller contracts, what about Jeremy Lamb

I would love that!

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[mavs531]

Calling it right now. Randle's coming home. Originally didn't think it'd be a great fit but who am I kidding? I was thinking we needed a big physical player to play the 5 so that Porzing could play the 4 with less physicality than playing the 5. Nowadays however it's positionless basketball and Dallas born Randle is the perfect example of that type of player and one you want on your team! He can dribble, he's not your average big man. He scores at will and is still very young. And he does fill the need of more physicality regardless of the fact that he's not 7 foot. He's so physical and could take so much off of Porzing. I'm getting excited about this. I feel like we have a shot at either Randle or D-Lo. I'm thinking it's Randle. He did just decline his option making him a free agent. Hes coming off a career year and I think he really showed what he can do.

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[mavs531]

Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

Randle is more versatile offensively than people think. He can shoot and play on the perimeter as well. I like the fit with him because of that. It’s obvious that we aren’t going to be a defensive minded team, might as well beat the other team into submission offensively.

Definitely agree. Like this post a lot.

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[mavs531]

Originally Posted by pocman

Also, his "bruiser" style of play would probably help to protect a bit KP (as other teams will need to put their most physical guys on Randle, and Randle offense will surely "wear them off").

Exactly! This makes him a great fit for us. And the fact that he isn't just some undersized big man that stays in the paint. Randle can move around as well and help space the floor.

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