Do you think we'll make a major trade before the deadline?

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I can agree with that, but what happens if JJ gets a great offer in the offseason. Kidd is another year older as well...it would hurt by adding Harris $$$-wise but I think the CBA could help the Mavericks out.

JJ getting a great offer is not out of the question at all. I've actually been pondering that a bit recently. I think there's a better than decent chance that he's not here next year.

But that still doesn't mean you have to commit that kind of money AND resources to Harris. It's been pretty well established that his injury proneness was one of the factors that led them to trade him. And it has continued to be a problem. So why would they now give up multiple assets and pay his salary and again put themselves into a position where they have to depend on him.

I think they view this as an opportunity to buy low on an asset. Two first round picks for him is not buying low.

It's kind of funny that in the same thread we have people (correctly) wondering how Devin would fit, and then others acting surprised that the Mavs would balk at sending out two first round picks for him (not to mention giving up the Bird rights on a player that I suspect they wouldn't mind bringing back next year).

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

If we can talk them down to just Butler's K + DoJo, or Butler's K + one first rounder, I do it for sure. I maybe even do it for Butler's K + DoJo + one first rounder. But two first rounders puts me over the edge.

They rumored deal is Butler + Dojo + one first rounder. When I say "two first rounders" I'm including Dojo as one, just for ease of conversation.

We're just confusing each other like crazy tonight.

[OSUmavsfan]

Hopefully Portland loses interest in Devin or decides to make a different trade. New Jersey seems intent on trading him and Devin seems intent on getting out of there, so it seems to me they would eventually accept Dallas' offer of just Caron. It does save them about $18 million on the rest of Devin's deal I think, which probably gives them a ton of cap room next year, so it's not a terrible deal for the Nets.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by jthig32

He'd be a luxury.

I think most available trades would be a luxury at this point. The Mavs really don't have a "weakest link." I'd be fine with Butler for a Wallace or Harris, but wouldn't lose any sleep over either not happening.

[EricaLubarsky]

Regarding roles:

I think Harris would immediately play alongside Kidd, playing the 2 on offense and one of the guard spots with Kidd on defense. He'd provide a lot what Roddy provides with movement and penetration.

Next year, I'd expect Harris to take back over the point with Kidd declining.

I'm not really sure what people expect from the PG position next year or the year after. If we are winning a championship its this year or the next two but Kidd is quickly becoming obsolete.

Wallace would be a nice 3/4 punch defensively and would help our defense/rebounding to give us a different look than Peja.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

If we can talk them down to just Butler's K + DoJo, or Butler's K + one first rounder, I do it for sure. I maybe even do it for Butler's K + DoJo + one first rounder. But two first rounders puts me over the edge.

I think Thig means a future 1st/Dojo(last year's)= 2 1sts.
Having seen anyone hypothesize us sending 2 future 1sts

[Skywalker]

I will just throw this out here: http://www.depressedfan.com/basketba...ictim-list.php

[badfish22]

Originally Posted by mac222b

I actually thought Caron/1st/Dojo for Devin sounded really fair for both sides...

Why do people want Harris here? With Kidd, Jet, Roddy, and JJ we really don't have a space for him. Wallace sounds good, if we can get him for Buter+DoJo/JJ. Sjax should be our main target.

[xrobx]

Originally Posted by muzak

Why would you not trade Butler, Dojo and a first rounder? Sounds like a no-brainer since it's kinda-sorta only Dojo and a first rounder for Harris...seeing as how it's only a small chance we see Butler back for the playoffs.

seeing as how i don't even consider dojo an nba level talent, it's only a first rounder

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I think Harris would immediately play alongside Kidd, playing the 2 on offense and one of the guard spots with Kidd on defense. He'd provide a lot what Roddy provides with movement and penetration.

Next year, I'd expect Harris to take back over the point with Kidd declining.

I'm not really sure what people expect from the PG position next year or the year after. If we are winning a championship its this year or the next two but Kidd is quickly becoming obsolete.

That's overstating things a bit (the bold).

As for Harris taking over for Kidd...I dunno. I don't think Harris and Roddy in the back court works very well.

I'm also not real convinced that Harris would supplant Roddy in the starting lineup.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by xrobx

seeing as how i don't even consider dojo an nba level talent, it's only a first rounder

I don't have high hopes for Dojo myself, but it's ridiculous to make this kind of statement at this stage in his career.

[Mav Addict]

We need scoring options outside of Dirk....Devin is small scoring option, but a option nonetheless....We need that option especially with a aging Kidd and a inconsistent midget in Barea....we need to seriously evaluate this scenario before its off the table...the Mavs may never get another chance for a sure fire starter at PG

The Crash trade would have also been done as long as Roddy was not involved

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by jthig32

They rumored deal is Butler + Dojo + one first rounder. When I say "two first rounders" I'm including Dojo as one, just for ease of conversation.

We're just confusing each other like crazy tonight.

Oh okay. I maybe do that, but I'm super hesitant for many of the reasons you've mentioned. His health is my concern #1. I've always been a fan of the Kidd trade primarily because Kidd plays about 81.5 games a year and Devin plays about 60.

I really get on board, though, if you can nix that down to either DoJo or the pick.

[xrobx]

STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
RT @RobMahoney: RT @BallinWithBryan: RT @realtuffjuice: I aint going no where (DEFIANT TWEET FROM CARON BUTLER HIMSELF)

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by badfish22

Why do people want Harris here? With Kidd, Jet, Roddy, and JJ we really don't have a space for him. Wallace sounds good, if we can get him for Buter+DoJo/JJ. Sjax should be our main target.

Alot of people REALLY LOVE Roddy and expect big things from him. He's just probably not ready yet to do it consistently in the playoffs. Devin brings some of those same skills with better defense. And he can handle the point without the team having to play zone, which may not work as well in the playoffs in a s 7 game series.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Skywalker

I will just throw this out here: http://www.depressedfan.com/basketba...ictim-list.php

I feel you bro. He's actually underrated at this point. Oh well.

[Thomas86]

Originally Posted by xrobx

STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
RT @RobMahoney: RT @BallinWithBryan: RT @realtuffjuice: I aint going no where (DEFIANT TWEET FROM CARON BUTLER HIMSELF)

SMH at Butler thinking he's gonna be %100 for the playoffs and still in game shape.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Alot of people REALLY LOVE Roddy and expect big things from him. He's just probably not ready yet to do it consistently in the playoffs.

I great irony of Roddy and "playoff experience" is that he almost single-handedly brought us back in the SA series.

[BGMaverick9]

Speaking to different people, there is definitely a split opinion on the butler/dojo/first proposal. Some people would do it, some wouldn't.

[muzak]

Harris may not fill a need this second; he does fill a gaping hole going forward. Take that deal, Cuban!

[OSUmavsfan]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Golden State and New Jersey near agreement to trade Dan Gadzuric and Brandan Wright for Troy Murphy and 2012 second rounder, sources tell Y!

and

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
There's still discussions that could expand deal to include Devin Harris and 3rd team - possibly Dallas or Portland - but NJ-GSW part solid.

Not sure whether this is good news or bad news for the Mavs.

Edit: Also this

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
If G-State completes deal for Murphy, it's expected he'll get bought out and become a free agent. Then? Orlando, Dallas, Boston, Miami etc.

[ComeOnNow]

@fishsports mike fisher
Idea of Devin to #Mavs heating up. Specifics being debated.
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[EricaLubarsky]

Idea of Devin to #Mavs heating up. Specifics being debated.

-Fish

[BGMaverick9]

they ARE talking, that's for sure.

I'm still hearing a split opinion but there would be a plan in place with Harris.

[StackAttack]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

they ARE talking, that's for sure.

I'm still hearing a split opinion but there would be a plan in place with Harris.

What do you mean a plan in place?

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by StackAttack

What do you mean a plan in place?

A plan. They've got a series of options to work off of if they do obtain Harris. That's all I can say right now in regards to that.

[Maringa]

I just hope that when I wake up I don't read that Roddy is gone...JJB will be hard to let go, but I understand.

The thing about Roddy is that Carlisle was really saying a bunch of stuff about Roddy's IQ...I wonder if he was pulling our legs, trying to raise Roddy's stock value so that the MBT could get something in return for him...If Roddy was so smart, Carlisle would have been playing him all year last year...That's what has me nervous.

[Dirkadirkastan]

Carlisle isn't the one that makes the trade.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Maringa

I just hope that when I wake up I don't read that Roddy is gone...JJB will be hard to let go, but I understand.

The thing about Roddy is that Carlisle was really saying a bunch of stuff about Roddy's IQ...I wonder if he was pulling our legs, trying to raise Roddy's stock value so that the MBT could get something in return for him...If Roddy was so smart, Carlisle would have been playing him all year last year...That's what has me nervous.

He isn't getting dealt for Harris.

[Rick41]

So let me get this straight, the Mavs are only willing to give up Caron's expiring deal for Devin?

[LonghornDub]

Sexy. I love the trade deadline.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Rick41

So let me get this straight, the Mavs are only willing to give up Caron's expiring deal for Devin?

Yes, NJ wants Butler, Jones and a first.

Portland apparently is offering just Miller.

[Windmill360]

Fish doesn't know anything besides what's been reported. That's my theory anyways.

[Dirkadirkastan]

Since Jan. 1, Devin Harris is averaging 12.4 ppg, 8.8 apg with .379 FG and .306 3 %. JJ Barea: 12.0 ppg, 3.5 apg with .496 FG and .517 3 %.

Link

Edit: What he's saying is this.

[clutch#41]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Link

Edit: What he's saying is this.

this is irrevelant. mainly bc barrea is playing the best hes ever played and those numbers are a struggling harris. switch the players out and i bet they would be insanely different. its like going from walmart to neiman marcus

[Rick41]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Yes, NJ wants Butler, Jones and a first.

Portland apparently is offering just Miller.

As long as JJB stays, I'm all over that deal like butter on pancakes.

[Rick41]

dbl post.

[dalger]

I don't think that Caron, Dojo and one 1st rounder for either Devin or Wallace would be too much, even though I guess that it would take more to get Wallace. Getting Devin without the pick would be nice, but it's not like picks mean a whole lot at this point in Dirk's career and we could probably buy one anyway.

I'd still prefer a SF over a PG. Then again, I can understand the reasoning behind the interest in Devin: Kidd's almost 38, JJB could very well turn into a liability in the playoffs against the best of the best, Roddy's coming off a major injury and still inexperienced, Jet has been disappearing in the playoffs for years and Threevenson is back to being Stevenson. Even though we do have a lot of guards, it's not like replacing JJB with Harris is a bad idea at all.

One thing I'd like about Wallace is that he's a guy who can play decent defense. Replacing Butler with Peja and giving Stevenson's minutes to Roddy doesn't sound that great when it comes to defense.

I'd welcome Devin back with open arms, especially in light of Kidd's age, but I do believe that another quality SF would be a better fit this season.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by clutch#41

this is irrevelant...[stuff]...its like going from walmart to neiman marcus

Derp.

[LSMF]

It'll be interesting to see if this gets done. One thing I've noticed is Devin has become a very good passer. He really likes to lob the ball to the bigs in NJ. He'll have a couple of folks here he can lob it to if he comes back home.