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LetsGoMavs · 02-22-2011, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein

RT @espn_macmahon: Jason Terry doesn't want Devin Harris deal: "Making move now doesn’t make sense."

Seems like Jet is in serious fear of seeing his minutes being reduced...

LonghornDub · 02-22-2011, 11:38 PM

That was a pretty unfair characterization by MacMahon. Go listen to the audio. Terry certainly doesn't give the impression that he wouldn't welcome Devin specifically. He just seems to share the (not unreasonable) sentiment that we shouldn't mess with a good thing.

Underdog · 02-22-2011, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

That was a pretty unfair characterization by MacMahon. Go listen to the audio. Terry certainly doesn't give the impression that he wouldn't welcome Devin specifically. He just seems to share the (not unreasonable) sentiment that we shouldn't mess with a good thing.

Terry might also be worried about becoming the odd man out - it's already happening with Roddy on the court, Devin could only steal more minutes...

(hell, we might even trade Terry, seeing as how we just got a sharpshooter in Peja...)

clutch#41 · 02-22-2011, 11:49 PM

id trade terry+ 1st for harris in a heartbeat.

sefant77 · 02-22-2011, 11:55 PM

Its almost a no-brainer.

I prefer to pay Harris the next two season 17 million than giving Barea a 17/4 contract. Barea gonna look for these 3-4 million a year. And yeah he is playing great right now but we all know his flaws and he will be always a 5-10 guy and Devin always 6-3.

We get again younger and quicker. Kidd/Terry/Roddy/Harris is a great mix. Throw in a vet like Stevenson and you are settled for everything that is coming.

And if you consider the money you would spend on Barea (or another solid 20+min backup) Devin isnt that expensive the next two years.

And Caron could be back over the MLE without a problem...instead of 4 years slightly above MLE over bird rights he gets then 5 years MLE....

mavs777 · 02-23-2011, 12:38 AM

Barea is 5-8

mavs777 · 02-23-2011, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dalger

I don't think that Caron, Dojo and one 1st rounder for either Devin or Wallace would be too much, even though I guess that it would take more to get Wallace. Getting Devin without the pick would be nice, but it's not like picks mean a whole lot at this point in Dirk's career and we could probably buy one anyway.

I'd still prefer a SF over a PG. Then again, I can understand the reasoning behind the interest in Devin: Kidd's almost 38, JJB could very well turn into a liability in the playoffs against the best of the best, Roddy's coming off a major injury and still inexperienced, Jet has been disappearing in the playoffs for years and Threevenson is back to being Stevenson. Even though we do have a lot of guards, it's not like replacing JJB with Harris is a bad idea at all.

One thing I'd like about Wallace is that he's a guy who can play decent defense. Replacing Butler with Peja and giving Stevenson's minutes to Roddy doesn't sound that great when it comes to defense.

I'd welcome Devin back with open arms, especially in light of Kidd's age, but I do believe that another quality SF would be a better fit this season.

pipedream: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=4qzel5c

Ross becomes emergency SG if Jet or Roddy goes down

fluid.forty.one · 02-23-2011, 12:51 AM

It's funny that people said the Harris-Kidd trade was bad THEN (even if it was a straight up swap) and was only going to get worse as the years went by.... well.. it's a few years later and I guarantee you that Kidd will still be starting if Harris comes back.

sefant77 · 02-23-2011, 12:58 AM

I tried to find a Youtube clip of the "thank you Mark" chants when Harris went in the first game against us insane (and lucky with several transition threes, lol)

Dirkenstien · 02-23-2011, 01:10 AM

Yep, I'd definitely pull the trigger on that Butler, Dojo, 1st for Harris deal. When Kidd is resting a Harris / Roddy back court would be fun to watch.

nowhereman · 02-23-2011, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by muzak

he does fill a gaping hole going forward

huh.

EricaLubarsky · 02-23-2011, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

huh.

With Kidd nearing retirement, JJB not being a starter and Roddy not really playing point...

nowhereman · 02-23-2011, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

With Kidd nearing retirement, JJB not being a starter and Roddy not really playing point...

maybe I should have gone with the 'that's what she said' instead

mavs777 · 02-23-2011, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

It's funny that people said the Harris-Kidd trade was bad THEN (even if it was a straight up swap) and was only going to get worse as the years went by.... well.. it's a few years later and I guarantee you that Kidd will still be starting if Harris comes back.

While this is true and Kidd is the better point, even if Harris was the better PG I would bet RC would start Kidd

LSMF · 02-23-2011, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Yep, I'd definitely pull the trigger on that Butler, Dojo, 1st for Harris deal. When Kidd is resting a Harris / Roddy back court would be fun to watch.

Some might disagree, but I think such a backcourt could dominate. They're both lightning quick, and that gives them great advantages on both offense and defense. Devin has improved his jumpshooting and passing since he's been traded. He'll be able to set Dirk, Roddy and others up, and he can create for himself when needed. Devin and Roddy can get to the rim easily. And if the D overplays on them then it opens up things for Dirk and Peja. And we already know Dirk and Peja will light it up from outside.

When I first heard the proposed deal was "Butler, Dojo, and a 1st" for Devin, I was like "Fxck off NJ, stop trying to rape us". But when you think of it, Butler's done for the season and has an expiring contract. Dojo hasn't proven anything yet, even though he has shown flashes here and there. Our 1st rounders are usually late, so there's the chance we can buy a pick if needed. It's not really a bad trade, we all know what Devin is capable of. His health is really the issue, but if he got hurt (Which is likely, but hopefully he doesn't) we still would have Kidd and JJ who can both run the offense till he gets back.

nowhereman · 02-23-2011, 01:31 AM

We only need Harris to hold down the fort until Calathes gets here anyway. I say do it.

BGMaverick9 · 02-23-2011, 01:34 AM

Since some want to spill the beans a little haha, part of the plan of getting Harris is to flip him next season to make a run at Deron.

nowhereman · 02-23-2011, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Since some want to spill the beans a little haha, part of the plan of getting Harris is to flip him next season to make a run at Deron.

jizz in my pants indeed

Underdog · 02-23-2011, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Since some want to spill the beans a little haha, part of the plan of getting Harris is to flip him next season to make a run at Deron.

That's what this guy was talking about earlier today...

(great minds?)

fluid.forty.one · 02-23-2011, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Since some want to spill the beans a little haha, part of the plan of getting Harris is to flip him next season to make a run at Deron.

ummm. Damn you. I'm not going to be able to sleep for the next year in anticipation.

BGMaverick9 · 02-23-2011, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

That's what this guy was talking about earlier today...

(great minds?)

haha, didn't see that earlier. people in the organization must read dm.com then

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

ummm. Damn you. I'm not going to be able to sleep for the next year in anticipation.

sucks for you...they've got pills for that.

mavs777 · 02-23-2011, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Since some want to spill the beans a little haha, part of the plan of getting Harris is to flip him next season to make a run at Deron.

makes sense

nowhereman · 02-23-2011, 02:01 AM

http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/2/22/2...lop-sided-deal

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With less than two days left before the trade deadline (3 p.m. ET, Thursday), the Nets have yet to make a deal ...although they have been mentioned repeatedly in rumors. The latest, from Fred Kerber, Al Iannazzone and Adrian Wojnarowski, is that Portland and Dallas are interested in Devin Harris' services but won't give up much in return.
The parameters of the Trailblazer deal are well known: Harris and Troy Murphy for Andre Miller, Joel Pryzbilla and someone or something else, but it's unlikely to be Greg Oden. Iannazzone reports the Dallas offer is centered on the expiring contract of the injured Caron Butler, whose salary is mostly being paid by insurance. It would also return the injured Dominique Jones and a first round pick, reports Ken Berger. Quinton Ross would also go to Dallas. However, Marc Stein reports that Dallas has rejected the Nets' request for Jones and a pick and is limiting its offer to Harris for Butler, straight up.
Woj reports, "Privately, Harris is hoping for a trade back to Dallas where he started his career, two sources familiar with his thinking told Yahoo! Sports. The Mavericks also have serious interest in a reunion with Harris". Later Tuesday, Woj tweeted, "Golden State and New Jersey near agreement to trade Dan Gadzuric and Brandan Wright for Troy Murphy and 2012 second rounder." The Nets hold two second rounders in 2012, their own and the Heat's. He also suggested this could be folded into a larger deal involving Harris.

The comments are depressing and hilarious

MavsFTR · 02-23-2011, 02:13 AM

This must be why Dallas doesn't want to give up so many assets. Rather give them to Utah than NJ.

LonghornDub · 02-23-2011, 02:23 AM

So when's this deal going down? Downside of living on the west coast is that I go do stuff from 8pm-11pm, come back, and there's no new info because most of the Marc Steins are already asleep. I'm ready frealz.

mavs777 · 02-23-2011, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

So when's this deal going down? Downside of living on the west coast is that I go do stuff from 8pm-11pm, come back, and there's no new info because most of the Marc Steins are already asleep. I'm ready frealz.

where are you?

I am in SD, CA

EricaLubarsky · 02-23-2011, 03:24 AM

35 hours left

wilmtalk · 02-23-2011, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

It's funny that people said the Harris-Kidd trade was bad THEN (even if it was a straight up swap) and was only going to get worse as the years went by.... well.. it's a few years later and I guarantee you that Kidd will still be starting if Harris comes back.

Bad analogy. You can't compare Kidds and Harris's value to the team now with their value then. They are entirely different teams with entirely different needs.

I was one of those people who said it was a bad trade. Especially with the two #1's included. But I would have traded JH to the nets and gotten some draft picks along with Kidd because J. Howard was still somewhat high market then.

The reason it was a bad trade then is because of the configuration of the team. It was not a team that was built to take advantage of Kidd's talents as the team is now. kidd likes to spread the offense. That is also why the team now doesn't play as well without him on the floor. I always felt that with Harris next to Kidd they both would have balenced out each others weakness's much like Kidd and Roddy would. It would have been a much stronger team than it was with Howard on the roster. Howard was a ball movement killer which was essentially the antithisis of what Kidd brought to the team

The first couple of years Kidd was actually a libility rather than an asset because the team couldn't make use of his strength and cover for his libilitys like the present team can. Now with the balence on this team he will continue to be an asset for much longer. The addition that made the difference was Chandler. What he brings to the team made Kidd more valuable on offense and less of a libility on defense. TC presence will extend Kidds useful playing time for far longer. Thats why it is important to resign Chandler.

I would really go for getting Harris back if the price wasn't too steep. I wouldn't pay too much because with Roddy on the team he is not a neccessity but insurance and an added luxury. It would be insane with him and Roddy on the floor at the same time with Kidd at the small forward. They would run everyone else out of their sneakers.

Harris would need an adjustment period though because this team is more balenced and he would have to focus more on passing and distributing the ball than he was used to in Jersey.

CapitanObvious · 02-23-2011, 04:06 AM

DO EET!

rabbitproof · 02-23-2011, 05:17 AM

Roddy=Chandler
Harris=Haywood
Kidd=Dampier?

BOSSOME!

Really though, it's just a relatively cheap way to pick up an asset. You're trading Caron's contract and 5-6M in cash (the cost to acquire DoJo and another low first) to get someone who was an All-Star just two years ago. Whatever we end up doing in the future, we have more assets to move if we have Devin than DoJo/first.

Male30Dan · 02-23-2011, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wilmtalk

Bad analogy. You can't compare Kidds and Harris's value to the team now with their value then. They are entirely different teams with entirely different needs.

I was one of those people who said it was a bad trade. Especially with the two #1's included. But I would have traded JH to the nets and gotten some draft picks along with Kidd because J. Howard was still somewhat high market then.

The reason it was a bad trade then is because of the configuration of the team. It was not a team that was built to take advantage of Kidd's talents as the team is now. kidd likes to spread the offense. That is also why the team now doesn't play as well without him on the floor. I always felt that with Harris next to Kidd they both would have balenced out each others weakness's much like Kidd and Roddy would. It would have been a much stronger team than it was with Howard on the roster. Howard was a ball movement killer which was essentially the antithisis of what Kidd brought to the team

The first couple of years Kidd was actually a libility rather than an asset because the team couldn't make use of his strength and cover for his libilitys like the present team can. Now with the balence on this team he will continue to be an asset for much longer. The addition that made the difference was Chandler. What he brings to the team made Kidd more valuable on offense and less of a libility on defense. TC presence will extend Kidds useful playing time for far longer. Thats why it is important to resign Chandler.

I would really go for getting Harris back if the price wasn't too steep. I wouldn't pay too much because with Roddy on the team he is not a neccessity but insurance and an added luxury. It would be insane with him and Roddy on the floor at the same time with Kidd at the small forward. They would run everyone else out of their sneakers.

Harris would need an adjustment period though because this team is more balenced and he would have to focus more on passing and distributing the ball than he was used to in Jersey.

Sorry, had to.

jthig32 · 02-23-2011, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Since some want to spill the beans a little haha, part of the plan of getting Harris is to flip him next season to make a run at Deron.

Something like this is what I've been assuming all along.

I don't think there's any way they want to go back to depending on Devin to stay healthy. And I think we've all seen that you need a big PG if you want to play someone like Roddy or Jet at SG. A Devin/Roddy back court doesn't work at all.

muzak · 02-23-2011, 09:10 AM

The thought of a Devin/Roddy back court makes me salivate. I think it would work quite well. Roddy/JJ works, what makes you think you can't plug in Devin over JJ?

jthig32 · 02-23-2011, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by muzak

The thought of a Devin/Roddy back court makes me salivate. I think it would work quite well. Roddy/JJ works, what makes you think you can't plug in Devin over JJ?

I'm not sure what evidence you have to support the idea that Roddy/JJ works. And even if you do, I would imagine it's only for short periods of time. You honestly think Devin/Roddy would work for 30+ minutes a game?

Not to mention the fact that problem number one with that scenario is Devin's injury problems.

Maringa · 02-23-2011, 09:16 AM

I can't wait for the trade deadline to expire....I know this is a fun time for the board, but for the first time years, I am hoping the Mavs do nothing. Boomerang Caron if anything, but keep what we have...

Male30Dan · 02-23-2011, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Maringa

I can't wait for the trade deadline to expire....I know this is a fun time for the board, but for the first time years, I am hoping the Mavs do nothing. Boomerang Caron if anything, but keep what we have...

Well, I think the consensus is that a trade for Devin very well could boomerang Caron (i.e. he goes to NJ, gets cut to save money, and signs back with Dallas as soon as he can).

So really, this huge lineup-altering proposal is do you part with Dojo and a pick, just Dojo, or just a pick to get a previous all-star PG considering your current PG is aging and unlikely to play much longer and other current options (Barea, Roddy, Jet) either aren't preferable because they better fit as 2s (Roddy/Jet) or aren't starter material (Barea).

To me the trade would be an absolute no brainer IF there isn't something else out there that would be better. I think everyone knows what I would prefer to this trade, but apparently that isn't on the table or Dallas isn't interested. Either way, if this is the only possible trade available, again, a complete no brainer.

You deal with the minute crunch to get the best 5 guys on the court and to have the playoff flexibility to deal with any type of team. Remember San Antonio's feelings about the Devin trade when it happened. Then remember who knocked us out of the playoffs last year.

This would be a blessing of a swap - even without Caron returning this year (hell, he likely won't be fully capable in the playoffs anyway) as he could always sign back here next year.

muzak · 02-23-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I'm not sure what evidence you have to support the idea that Roddy/JJ works. And even if you do, I would imagine it's only for short periods of time. You honestly think Devin/Roddy would work for 30+ minutes a game?

Not to mention the fact that problem number one with that scenario is Devin's injury problems.

My evidence was the little time they played together in that last game. Very small sample size, yes, but I don't see any reason why it couldn't work. I honestly think it would work quite well. No other team will have 2 guards that can stay in front of them.

Male30Dan · 02-23-2011, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by muzak

My evidence was the little time they played together in that last game. Very small sample size, yes, but I don't see any reason why it couldn't work. I honestly think it would work quite well. No other team will have 2 guards that can stay in front of them.

Yeah, frankly it isn't just about our defense, but other teams adjusting to us. Considering how well both attack, this wouldn't be a Kidd/INSERT SMALL PG situation where Kidd might back him down 1-2 times in a game. This is something where if the other team doesn't match up with us we could see a huge number of drives into the defense with either layup drills commencing or wide-open shots being generated.

Now, that said, I too have a problem seeing two very small guards coexisting defensively, ESPECIALLY with Peja on the court with them; however, if Stevenson was still playing at the level he was previously or if Caron comes back healthy for the playoffs I think you could hide some of it against SOME teams - especially with a zone (which we would be that much better at given the speed and length that a healthy Devin would provide vs. Barea).

There is of course also the health thing, but you just have to hope you have him healthy in the same ways that you have to hope Dirk's ankle/knee/wrist no longer have any more issues or that Roddy's foot is fine or that Chandler's legs are fine. Obviously Harris is much more prone to injury than everyone listed (minus possibly Chandler) but the point remains the same. It is hard to use that reason anyway considering the guy you are trading for him (that you will likely get back) is gone for the regular season due to an injury.

She_Growls · 02-23-2011, 09:41 AM

The Mavs will only offer Caron Butler's expiring contract for Devin Harris to http://fsp.gs/eu8Rcs #NBA
about 5 hours ago via Fantasy Football

Male30Dan · 02-23-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by She_Growls

The Mavs will only offer Caron Butler's expiring contract for Devin Harris to http://fsp.gs/eu8Rcs #NBA
about 5 hours ago via Fantasy Football

I get playing hard ball (and obviously Cuban looks great if he can actually make the even swap), but if we lose him to Portland because we wouldn't include a 1st that we could just buy back from someone else and friggin Dojo, well, that would be a fail moment in my opinion.

Again, there are other people I would rather have, but if none of those options are possible, this is an absolute no-brainer.