Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread - Page 38 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

SMC0007 · 07-01-2023, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Oh damn you are right. We used a qualifying bird to sign him which is an independent exception.

As long as we didn't push into the tax, we will have the full MLE.

Hard to be mad about 600k of the MLE, but we still have the full MLE and Powell was basically signed to the min. Even harder to be mad since we still have the full MLE.

We don't need Powell the player for minimum. I love Powell the person but we all know the problem here. If he's here, he will be over used.

EricaLubarsky · 07-01-2023, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Watch us keep Wood. Doubt there is much of a market for him. I'd actually be for that.

Nope nope. A thousand times nope.

I?d rather he goes to China than come back to us. Luka and Kidd couldn?t stand him. Guys with low IQ and work ethic don?t belong here.

BPo001 · 07-01-2023, 08:44 PM

Michael Scotto: BREAKING: The Houston Rockets have agreed to a one-year, $6 million deal with NBA champion Jeff Green, league sources told @hoopshype. The deal was negotiated by agent Jason Glushon of @GlushonSM. ? via Twitter MikeAScotto

Adrian Wojnarowski: Free agent G Donte DiVincenzo has agreed on a four-year, $50 million contract with the New York Knicks, Jason Glushon of @GlushonSM tells ESPN. DiVincenzo reunites with his Villanova title teammates Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart to bolster the Eastern Conference semifinalists. ? via Twitter wojespn

Shams Charania: Free agent Jalen McDaniels has agreed to a two-year, $9.3 million deal with the Toronto Raptors, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. ? via Twitter ShamsCharania

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Grizzlies are finalizing a sign-and-trade with Houston on Dillon Brooks? new deal and will generate a substantial trade exception, sources tell ESPN. ? via Twitter wojespn

Shams Charania: Rockets are finalizing a deal to acquire Brooklyn?s Patty Mills via trade, sources tell me and @KellyIko. ? via Twitter ShamsCharania

MFFL · 07-01-2023, 09:07 PM

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Free agent G Dante Exum ? a former No. 5 overall pick ? is returning to the NBA on a guaranteed deal with the Dallas Mavericks, his agent Brandon Rosenthal tells ESPN. After leading Partizan to their first title in a decade, Exum brings his perimeter versatility to the Mavs.

MFFL · 07-01-2023, 09:07 PM

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Dennis Lindsey, a recent addition to the Mavs? front office, drafted Dante Exum with the Jazz. Injuries derailed his time in Utah, but Exum is a good perimeter defender.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-01-2023, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Nope nope. A thousand times nope.

I?d rather he goes to China than come back to us. Luka and Kidd couldn?t stand him. Guys with low IQ and work ethic don?t belong here.

And he's still better than Powell by a mile. But it's nice to have good character guys without talent so we feel good about ourselves.

Speaking of which, we just signed a guy who hasn't been in the NBA for two seasons. Hopefully he has great character.

SMC0007 · 07-01-2023, 09:19 PM

Exum. Riveting

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-01-2023, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Exum. Riveting

People saying he is our new Frank. Like why on earth would you try to replace Frank?

https://twitter.com/everydaymffl/sta...29596877619201

Dallas41 · 07-01-2023, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

Tim MacMahon
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Dennis Lindsey, a recent addition to the Mavs? front office, drafted Dante Exum with the Jazz. Injuries derailed his time in Utah, but Exum is a good perimeter defender.

Ain't shit changed for Dallas

FA just isn't something this franchise excells at

Undersized at wing still

I guess watching 6'5 amd 6'6 dudes like THJ and Bullock play PF with Dwight Powell at center is their vision once again

Dallas41 · 07-01-2023, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Exum. Riveting

Passed on Dennis Smith to sign this guy instead

Unbelievable

Bryan_Wilson · 07-01-2023, 10:03 PM

I don't hate a flyer on Exum. He may not even make the roster if it's just a vet min deal. He looked like a serviceable end of the bench player in eruoleague though so I am fine with it.

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The 2022-23 season was Dante Exum?s first full season in the competition after he joined FC Barcelona in December of the previous campaign and had to adjust on the fly. With Partizan, Exum stepped into a key role to help the team reach the playoffs as a force off the bench. He played more than twice as many minutes with Partizan (873:55) as he did with Bar?a (424:16), yet Exum more than tripled his scoring output and saw his total PIR rise by 269%.

Exum averaged 13.2 points and 2.7 assists for a PIR of 14.3 with Partizan with excellent shooting numbers. He connected on 59.3% of his two-point attempts, 39.3% of his shots from downtown and 85.8% of his free throws. The EuroLeague is now on notice that Exum is a true star.

https://www.euroleaguebasketball.net...-from-2022-23/

tap2390 · 07-01-2023, 10:04 PM

I like the Exum pickup for the same reason I wanted Kris Dunn last season. Exum has developed his offensive game quite a bit overseas. Now I would shop THJ & McGee hard.

Dallas41 · 07-01-2023, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I don't hate a flyer on Exum. He may not even make the roster if it's just a vet min deal. He looked like a serviceable end of the bench player in eruoleague though so I am fine with it.

https://www.euroleaguebasketball.net...-from-2022-23/

The problem is DSJ has proved he can be a quality backup pg with defense

That decision to pass on a proven player for a guy who's been out the league for awhile is typical mavs for you.

It's also frustrating because they continue to be only team in the league that doesn't seen to value wings with size.

The issues for this team remains the same small perimeter defenders

SMC0007 · 07-01-2023, 11:06 PM

46 guards, none of which are 2 way players. Maybe Green is.

Undersized front court.

We can't be waiting to push the trade deadline to trade players.

Bryan_Wilson · 07-01-2023, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

The problem is DSJ has proved he can be a quality backup pg with defense

That decision to pass on a proven player for a guy who's been out the league for awhile is typical mavs for you.

It's also frustrating because they continue to be only team in the league that doesn't seen to value wings with size.

The issues for this team remains the same small perimeter defenders

I would have liked DSJ fine and he may be the better player I can only just hope that Exum works out. At least on paper I like it, from what I read about how he performed in Europe as well as his size and potential role if he works out. DSJ can't play the wing and I don't think he can defend wing players, certainly not bigger ones. Ideally to me Exum can be a wing player off the bench who is a versatile defender(6'5 with 6'9 wingspan) who can hit a spot up shot and play a secondary playmaker role while on the floor. If he is what I hope he is... he checks more boxes than DSJ.

It all depends on if he can hit the corner 3 to me. He has good shooting splits from the top of the arc in Europe and the wing but he barely shot corner 3's.

Either way for me DSJ or Exum would be like the 11-12th player on the roster and ideally won't play. I'd rather Hardy continue to get every minute DSJ could and only would want DSJ to play if Kyrie or Luka were out. At least Exum can potentially play a wing role and versatile defender while not being a total black hole offensively like Frank was... or I hope he can.

EricaLubarsky · 07-01-2023, 11:48 PM

I am underwhelmed

Good draft
Glad we brought back all the functional pieces of last year
Presumably dumped the locker room cancer

But this team still isn?t a team that is a lock for the second round or even making the playoffs as built

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2023, 12:28 AM

Ha! Omg, Wood unfollowed the Mavs months back but just refollowed the Mavs on Twitter.

If our off-season is resigning the 11th seed squad, I?m laughing and then crying and then laughing

liqwidhalo · 07-02-2023, 12:52 AM

It has been a good offseason so far with adding Holmes, Lively, Prosper, Curry, and Exum. Sure, we still need a starting center and another 3 and D wing, but those are harder to acquire since we don't have many draft picks to attach to our players to get them out of here. Plus a lot of these free agents are getting overpaid like Fred Van Vleet, Bruce Brown, Dillon Brooks, Brook Lopez, Gabe Vincent, D-Lo, Dennis Schroder, Jakob Poetl, and more.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-02-2023, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

I think we need to chillax. On one hand everyone wants to develop our young 2, 3, 4, 5 (Hardy - Green - OMax - Lively) and on the other hand everyone wants mediocre-to-OK guys to clog up our minutes. I understand we need a stopgap center, another wing defender (although I think AJ Lawson is going to surprise this season), and another ball handler, but we?re better off developing our own guys than making useless moves for Reddish, KMJ, etc.

Im really, really trying to talk myself into this mindset. You definitely have a point about needing to give the young guys minutes to develop them. I really hope that the Mavs FO has some kind of grander plan and is thinking big picture.

On the other hand though, when you have a generational superstar in his prime, I don?t think you can afford to sacrifice a season for the sake of developing the young guys who might not even pan out. You need to roll out the best roster you possibly can. Every year you don?t is another wasted year of an all-time great career, and also increasing the likelihood that he will become disillusioned and leave for greener pastures.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-02-2023, 05:14 AM

Someone on r/mavericks pointed out that Dame and Harden requesting trades has thrown the entire trade market into chaos, and that probably no major trades will be made until those two are off the market. This could be a long offseason...

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2023, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Someone on r/mavericks pointed out that Dame and Harden requesting trades has thrown the entire trade market into chaos, and that probably no major trades will be made until those two are off the market. This could be a long offseason...

Yep but this is seemingly how it always is with the Mavs. They wait for things like this instead of just executing with what is available. Whatever trade they had on the table might now be in jeopardy. There were a lot of guys available that coulda provided a DFS or Grant Williams type of impact. (Jalen McDaniels for 2/9.3 is big value)

Bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

Now if they end up with Zubac or Jarret Jack or Capela, then it's all groovy. But man, the level of confidence in something like that has certainly taken a big dip.

I'm guessing Grant Williams is still in play, but it is weird how absolutely silent that has been.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2023, 08:43 AM

The biggest concern is everything seems to stem with some team taking on McGee.

Imagine Luka and the fanbase getting screwed because of being so adamant about that.

Kidd Karma · 07-02-2023, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Someone on r/mavericks pointed out that Dame and Harden requesting trades has thrown the entire trade market into chaos, and that probably no major trades will be made until those two are off the market. This could be a long offseason...

Gads don't get me started on players "requesting a trade" Now it holds up the market for lesser players. SMH. Last I checked, Portland never missed a pay day. He also demands a trade to Miami? You have not helped us win a ring, how do you make a crazy demand like that. Portland needs to look at the bottom feeders and see if you find a trade partner willing to attach an unprotected first rounder....there is no doubt Portland will be eating some salary.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-02-2023, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

The biggest concern is everything seems to stem with some team taking on McGee.

Imagine Luka and the fanbase getting screwed because of being so adamant about that.

Have there been other instances other than Ayton? Because a Suns reporter shot that down and reported that the Mavs and Suns were not even close to a deal- i.e. McGee was not the dealbreaker.

Kidd Karma · 07-02-2023, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Yep but this is seemingly how it always is with the Mavs. They wait for things like this instead of just executing with what is available. Whatever trade they had on the table might now be in jeopardy. There were a lot of guys available that coulda provided a DFS or Grant Williams type of impact. (Jalen McDaniels for 2/9.3 is big value)

Bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

Now if they end up with Zubac or Jarret Jack or Capela, then it's all groovy. But man, the level of confidence in something like that has certainly taken a big dip.

I'm guessing Grant Williams is still in play, but it is weird how absolutely silent that has been.

Grant's team probably trying to gauge where they fit with Porzingis in town. His stats will take a bite, so they just want to explore a long term deal and short term deal, see what is in the best interest, plus like us, most other teams are hesitant to sit 2 days to see if Boston will match.

saclare · 07-02-2023, 10:00 AM

Sheesh y?all are overreacting a bit much to end of the 15 type guys being signed. Take a breath, at this point in the off-season, the roster is already better than last year IMO. Now, I?m not saying it?s all gravy. There?s still work to do and time to get it done. I?d be pretty upset if this is all they do with the full MLE remaining and the 2027 FRP to really improve the roster. Then again, that pick could prove to be very valuable and they need to create enough value with it, not just throw it away. Patience friends, off-season only just began. And we?ve got two major trades on the horizon with Dame and Harden yet to trickle down. If I?m Mavs, I?m on the phone with both teams in how to get involved.

dirt_dobber · 07-02-2023, 10:26 AM

We still need a defensive wing and above average starting center.
Wouldn't mind also a better starting power forward.

Dallas41 · 07-02-2023, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by saclare

Sheesh y?all are overreacting a bit much to end of the 15 type guys being signed. Take a breath, at this point in the off-season, the roster is already better than last year IMO. Now, I?m not saying it?s all gravy. There?s still work to do and time to get it done. I?d be pretty upset if this is all they do with the full MLE remaining and the 2027 FRP to really improve the roster. Then again, that pick could prove to be very valuable and they need to create enough value with it, not just throw it away. Patience friends, off-season only just began. And we?ve got two major trades on the horizon with Dame and Harden yet to trickle down. If I?m Mavs, I?m on the phone with both teams in how to get involved.

If this season isn't much of an improvement over last season and it stems from the mavs not adding enough quality players via FA once again it wouldn't totally shock me if Kyrie wants out and Luka follows right behind him.

So sure we should be Patient with the mavs but as fans with the way nba players mainly super stars they can request out at anytime. Do we think Luka is going to be as loyal as Dame was for years waiting on the blazers or will Luka ultimately follow the advice of kyrie and not wait on things to get better?

Dallas41 · 07-02-2023, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Have there been other instances other than Ayton? Because a Suns reporter shot that down and reported that the Mavs and Suns were not even close to a deal- i.e. McGee was not the dealbreaker.

I live in Phoenix and the media story out here is vastly different from what is being disclosed.

The mavs might be better off approaching Detroit about some of their bigs in a package deal.

Waiting around on Ayton or Jarrett Allen might be a bad idea

Obtaining Stewart and Bogdan might be much easier

MFFL · 07-02-2023, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

If this season isn't much of an improvement over last season and it stems from the mavs not adding enough quality players via FA once again it wouldn't totally shock me if Kyrie wants out and Luka follows right behind him.

So sure we should be Patient with the mavs but as fans with the way nba players mainly super stars they can request out at anytime. Do we think Luka is going to be as loyal as Dame was for years waiting on the blazers or will Luka ultimately follow the advice of kyrie and not wait on things to get better?

If it wasn't for Dennis Lindsey then I might agree with you. The dude was an assistant GM for the Spurs for 5 years so I think he learned a thing or two. Then he was the GM for the Jazz for 9 years where he built the Jazz into a very strong team.

I have a lot more confidence with the front office now - look how professionally the draft was run.

Melonhead · 07-02-2023, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Someone on r/mavericks pointed out that Dame and Harden requesting trades has thrown the entire trade market into chaos, and that probably no major trades will be made until those two are off the market. This could be a long offseason...

The exum pickup makes me think stuff fell thru (per usual) and they scrambled again

Picking up a guy that wasn?t even in the nba last year is soooo on brand Mavs. Embarrassing to think about them picking up Facu when he was literally exiting the league last season.

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2023, 11:11 AM

Honestly don?t get the rumor of Malik Beasley.

Why do we want a 6?4? off guard

The only issue I had with the amazing Curry is that he takes Hardy minutes and we keep getting linked to 6?4 and 6?5? guys

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2023, 11:49 AM

The bigger issue with waiting for a trade, esp with regards to James Harden, is Daryl Morey is an awful GM. He'll sit in hellfire before accepting any trade that isn't deemed a ridiculous win. So it'll be September by the time the Mavs *might* be involved in a trade like that.

sig · 07-02-2023, 12:17 PM

How are the Mavs going to make a big jump in free agency with the MLE as best they can offer. Grant Williams doesn't really excite me as a needle mover any more than Exum and Curry. Mavs best way for big moves is trades with 27 FRP, Wood, THJ, Bullock and hopefully McGee salary included. The draft was really nice start.

I'd rather target a forward but Nurkic at center might be a nice pickup. Maybe he can go to Phoenix and Mavs can land Aytyon.

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2023, 12:33 PM

1) Center - More than a third of our guys play center. I don't think we need more centers. FA centers are a wash. Unless we can upgrade via trade, I think we're good on more centers
Currently: Holmes, Powell, McGee, Maxi, Lively (5 players, one position)
Need: fewer centers. Older, more-talented guys who can be effective but also don't mind being benched for Lively (like Lopez, Capela) and not young stars that are building their brand (Ayton, etc.)

2) PF - I think we are okay, but I wouldn't mind one more PF. OMax needs burn and historically forwards hit the ground running faster than other positions. Once he learns our team defense all he has to do is defend and get to his spot so he may be ready for 10-20mpg right out of the gate. Maxi is a 4/5 who can hit a three and (hopefully) defend. Injuries take time so perhaps he will come back closer to WCF Maxi than last year's Maxi. Holmes can rebound, but his 3pt shooting is not to be depended on. Spacing would be rough with Holmes and a center unless Lively comes to life on his shooting faster than imagined.
Currently: OMax, Maxi, Holmes? (2.5 guys)
Need: medium. 6'7"-6'10" guy who can rebound, defend, and hit a three at least respectably (30%+). Saric (maybe to GSW), PJ Washington (RFA), Grant Williams,(RFA) Jones Jr (UFA) fit the bill and aren't officially off the market.

3) 2/3 - I think we may actually have too much talent at 2/3. With only 96 minutes to split, it will be hard to get minutes for Green and Hardy while giving Kyrie starter minutes and sufficient minutes to keep Bullock and THJ warm enough to go. We're likely to grab Pinson as well to get to 15 roster spots. He doesn't demand PT, but it's still 7-8 guys.
Currently: Kyrie, THJ, Green, Hardy, Exum, Curry, Bullock (7 guys for two positions)
Needs: Fewer? We have top talent and a lot of guys. It's a good problem to have I guess.

4) PG - We have probably two top-10 guys who play PG. Curry has played about 1/5 of his minutes at point in his career including last year. Green has played some point. Hardy is more of an off-guard, but he can occasionally play there for a power/speed lineup.
Currently: Luka, Kyrie, Curry, Green, Hardy (5 guys)
Needs: Nothing? There are no FA PGs that fit the bill anymore and were very few even before FA opened, but it would be nice to have a solid vet to play if Luka or Kyrie went down who wouldn't mind 3-5mpg and DNPs. The problem is that the crazy up-and-comers would be angry to be benched. I love me some Ayo Dosunmu, but he's still trying to make his name and we'd need to find 15-20 consistent minutes for him, even if he'd rock 30-35 minutes if we gave Luka a break/he was injured. Green has shown flashes of being solid at PG.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2023, 12:39 PM

Yeah the 2/3 needs to be cleared out a bit.

And I'm not sure who of those centers will actually be any good. Lively is raw. Powell sucks. Holmes hasn't been very good for two seasons (maybe minutes?). McGee won't play. Maxi is hurt a lot.

So not ideal. Hopefully we can clear some of the 2/3 and a center for upgrades.

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2023, 12:47 PM

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1) Luka (1/2/3)
2) Kyrie (1/2)
3) THJ (2/3)
4) Holmes (4/5)
5) Bullock (2/3)
6) Kleber (4/5)
7) McGee (5)
8) Curry (1/2)
9) Green (1/2/3)
10) Lively (5)
11) OMax (3/4)
12) Hardy (2)
13) Powell (5)
14) Exum (2/3)
15) ??
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16) Miles (1/2)
17) Lawson (2/3)

FA: Wood (4/5), Frank (1/2/3), Pinson (2/3), Morris (4), Holiday (2/3), Wright (1)

With one roster spot left, looking like a few possibilities:
1) We grab Pinson and call it a day
2) We sign a PF and Pinson is gone
3) We make a trade
4) We lured Exum in for camp on a guaranteed deal and he's disposable as a roster spot so we have 2 roster spots left. We've given guys guaranteed minimum deals to come into camp knowing that most/all won't make the regular season roster.

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2023, 01:08 PM

Marc Stein Substack chat

-Dallas pursuing upgrades on wings and centers. They know currently it?s not good enough.
-Mavs have not touched their MLE yet
-Mavs do not want to trade Hardy or JG

Kidd Karma · 07-02-2023, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Marc Stein Substack chat

-Dallas pursuing upgrades on wings and centers. They know currently it?s not good enough.
-Mavs have not touched their MLE yet
-Mavs do not want to trade Hardy or JG

Pretty much the concensus here...or the obvious. If we wanted to trade JG or Hardy, guessing Ayton would be here. Glad we see a ton of value in both of them.

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2023, 01:43 PM

"Grant Williams situation unlikely to be resolved before July 6th or 7th." Stein doesn't "see how the Celtics can match"

Seems like it's a two-dog race of Dallas and Charlotte and both teams have MLE the same money. Celtics the dark horse with the possibility of re-signing him.

Don't know how RFA works with two suitors. If Celtics look at the tax bill and balk, does Williams get a choice? If so, why would he go to play for the Hornets with:

1) all the uncertainty of ownership change
2) The history of withering talent on the vine
3) The #2 pick playing in front of him