Dallas Mavericks Offseason Thread - Page 39 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

alby · 06-11-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin Credible

Wouldn't that mean that they'd have to tap into the MLE to resign him then?

Wasn't there a website somewhere that informs people the basics of the salary cap, etc. I remember reading it a few years back, it has some good information in there. I'll post it if I find it sometime.

grndmstr_c · 06-11-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

Wasn't there a website somewhere that informs people the basics of the salary cap, etc. I remember reading it a few years back, it has some good information in there. I'll post it if I find it sometime.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

BGMaverick9 · 06-11-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I tend to agree with you on this. The question is, though, what happens if Rubio is off the board when its their turn to pick? Do they value any of the other guys they could draft more than they'd value the financial bailout that Dallas might be willing to offer them if Dallas were particularly high on Harden, for example?

I'm actually thinking they get lucky and he sticks and is available at 4, for multiple reasons.

-Teams are scared that Rubio won't play ball but they do need a PG.
- PG might be a position of need but teams usually draft big first or early and guards tend to fall off.

Memphis is a team that clearly could go for Rubio but it seems set that he won't play there. If anything Sacramento can move UP to 2 or make a pick for Memphis at 4.

Harden is still a guy I really like and if we're moving up that far and Rubio isn't there...he's the guy I want. New mocks tend to suggest you have to get in the top 3 to get Harden, I don't really buy that though for the theory I had that you draft big early.

alby · 06-11-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

there it is, thanks C

Justin, you should read this... it has some great information and it explains everything you may be wondering about pertaining NBA free agents and trades.

I probably have to read it too, to refresh my memory.

Justin Credible · 06-11-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

Wasn't there a website somewhere that informs people the basics of the salary cap, etc. I remember reading it a few years back, it has some good information in there. I'll post it if I find it sometime.

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

Thanks, I seriously appreciate it. I try to contribute on my limited knowledge of that kind of stuff, but end up looking like an ass.

I'm going to read up and go back to being a spectator.

alby · 06-11-2009, 11:55 PM

I'm not saying to stop posting or anything. I'm merely giving you a resource. Please don't take it offensively.

grndmstr_c · 06-11-2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I'm actually thinking they get lucky and he sticks and is available at 4, for multiple reasons.

-Teams are scared that Rubio won't play ball but they do need a PG.
- PG might be a position of need but teams usually draft big first or early and guards tend to fall off.

Memphis is a team that clearly could go for Rubio but it seems set that he won't play there. If anything Sacramento can move UP to 2 or make a pick for Memphis at 4.

Harden is still a guy I really like and if we're moving up that far and Rubio isn't there...he's the guy I want. New mocks tend to suggest you have to get in the top 3 to get Harden, I don't really buy that though for the theory I had that you draft big early.

The trade up with Memphis would make sense, although that would probably take Harden out of play (I'm assuming that's who Memphis would want Sac to pick for them at 4).

grndmstr_c · 06-11-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

I'm not saying to stop posting or anything. I'm merely giving you a resource. Please don't take it offensively.

Hell, if anybody was getting irascible it was me. By all means, Justin, keep posting. Besides, armchair GMing only gets more fun once you get a feel for all the weird rules the NBA has about trades and free agent signings and the like.

BGMaverick9 · 06-12-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

The trade up with Memphis would make sense, although that would probably take Harden out of play (I'm assuming that's who Memphis would want Sac to pick for them at 4).

It doesn't necessarily have to be the trade up, unless they feel that OKC is definitely going to take Harden @3 and that's the only piece Memphis really wants. If that isn't the case then Memphis can take Rubio and Harden gets picked by Sacramento and you've got a pretty simple trade.

If that's the case, I really don't have an interest in moving up to #5. I'm 100% positive Rubio is gone by pick 4, so that only leaves Harden as the only realistic player I'd want at 5. If we aren't going in that direction, I REALLY want to find a way to make a deal to get another pick in the first round in addition to #22. If that's possible, my preference is to find a pick just outside of the lottery.

alby · 06-12-2009, 12:14 AM

If we deal with Memphis, there has to be a way to get Rudy Gay.

Underdog · 06-12-2009, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

If we deal with Memphis, there has to be a way to get Rudy Gay.

I'd love to get Gay...

EDIT: (maybe I should rephrase that!)

alby · 06-12-2009, 12:27 AM

I don't think any of us would mind buying a Dallas Mavericks jersey with "GAY" written on the back.

Underdog · 06-12-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

I don't think any of us would mind buying a Dallas Mavericks jersey with "GAY" written on the back.

The idea of getting Gay makes my Mavs pants fit tighter...

The idea of getting Gay is turning my Mavs glasses rainbow-colored...

The idea of getting Gay was a little uncomfortable at first, but I've learned to just relax and "go with it"...

[I just made myself throw up a little...]

Thomas86 · 06-12-2009, 01:11 AM

The Mavs need to get Vince Carter...Dirk needs someone who can put up double digits every game like he does, Dirk and Vince would be almost like Pau and Kobe.

alby · 06-12-2009, 01:12 AM

A gay kidd combo would get the other team nervous.

Underdog · 06-12-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

A gay kidd combo would get the other team nervous.

Let's try to keep the innuendos within the constrains of the law, okay?

Seriously though - Kidd & Gay would be pretty sick to watch (in a basketball-sense!)

Justin Credible · 06-12-2009, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

I'm not saying to stop posting or anything. I'm merely giving you a resource. Please don't take it offensively.

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Hell, if anybody was getting irascible it was me. By all means, Justin, keep posting. Besides, armchair GMing only gets more fun once you get a feel for all the weird rules the NBA has about trades and free agent signings and the like.

Nonono, I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I was seriously thanking you as I'd like to have a better grasp on these types of things. This is the first time that I've actively monitored the postseason of the Mavericks as I haven't been a huge basketball fan for very long. I came aboard as a bandwagon fan in the 05-06 season and fell in love with the sport after that (as well as my hometeam).

Rant aside, I love learning new things and I'd love to be able to have better analytical skills as far as the possibilities are.

Sorry, /threadjack

Justin Credible · 06-12-2009, 02:08 AM

BTW, I'm all for the Gay man. I'd still have a hard time sporting his Mavs jersey, but I'd be a closet fan.

www.instantrimshot.com

BGMaverick9 · 06-12-2009, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin Credible

Nonono, I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I was seriously thanking you as I'd like to have a better grasp on these types of things. This is the first time that I've actively monitored the postseason of the Mavericks as I haven't been a huge basketball fan for very long. I came aboard as a bandwagon fan in the 05-06 season and fell in love with the sport after that (as well as my hometeam).

Rant aside, I love learning new things and I'd love to be able to have better analytical skills as far as the possibilities are.

Sorry, /threadjack

That Larry Coon site is probably as good as it gets for understanding that stuff.

It definitely opens your eyes a lot more to how realistic options are. Lopsided deals or blockbusters, they all have potential once you get a grasp of what actually goes on. Things are going to get pretty good in about a week because the rumors are going to be in full swing with the draft coming right up and then July 1st with all the Free Agent hubub.

mac222b · 06-12-2009, 03:45 AM

If there's a deal with the Washington Bullets it's gotta be contingent upon our guy(Harden, Hill, DeRozan, Thabeet?)being there. No way we're that in love w/ multiple players or just want best player available.

mac222b · 06-12-2009, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

A gay kidd combo would get the other team nervous.

maybe a 3-way gets us Gay

ghazi · 06-12-2009, 07:37 AM

Rudy Gay isn't a winner.

dirno2000 · 06-12-2009, 09:27 AM

He plays in Memphis. Paul Gasol wasn't a winner there either.

MX425 · 06-12-2009, 10:17 AM

I still hate Memphis for trading Kevin Love to the Wolves. How great would the Gay/Love era have been in Memphis? But I would be pleasured by getting Gay with Kidd

dalmations202 · 06-12-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MX425

I still hate Memphis for trading Kevin Love to the Wolves. How great would the Gay/Love era have been in Memphis? But I would be pleasured by getting Gay with Kidd

I don't think you get Kidd with Gay/Love.

alby · 06-12-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

Rudy Gay isn't a winner.

This is your reasoning?

SMC0007 · 06-12-2009, 10:33 AM

Dang, you guys got it locked in! keep it up.

SMC0007 · 06-12-2009, 10:48 AM

IMO

Griffin - lac
Rubio - mem
Thabeet- OKC
Holiday/Flynn(best avail.pg)- SAC

*Washington doesn't really need a rookie/prospect as much as they need a savvy veteran to help them play good ball. Their roster isn't bad at all when healthy so IDK what we would have to give up but I could easily see MAvs with that #5 pick. We would have to keep JHo excluded from that deal for the pick tho! Wash surely isn't going to pick Harden unless it is for another team to trade for. They don't need him unless they are moving one of their guards. I just can't see them keeping that pick.

kingofthesmurfsP · 06-12-2009, 12:59 PM

why dont we use some of our mle to get rashad mccants. hes pretty good

bobatundi · 06-12-2009, 01:46 PM

But can Gay take it to the hole?

MaVs 41 BaLler · 06-12-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

The Mavs need to get Vince Carter...Dirk needs someone who can put up double digits every game like he does, Dirk and Vince would be almost like Pau and Kobe.

I said that before the trade deadline this season.

bernardos70 · 06-12-2009, 03:03 PM

Gay can back his man down the post. I can see it now, Kidd whizzing an entry pass right on Gay's chest, who dribbles once and facials his defender.

LSMF · 06-12-2009, 03:56 PM

Cant you guys call him Rudy G lol?

badfish22 · 06-12-2009, 03:56 PM

^That was officially too far haha

Thespiralgoeson · 06-12-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by badfish22

^That was officially too far haha

Something tells me Charlotte wouldn't be so crazy about that deal.

badfish22 · 06-12-2009, 06:01 PM

^ya, the thinking was that charlotte would do just a pure salary dump. This is another one that ive seen were charlotte gets rid of two bad contracts and gets to keep wallace.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...tradeId=n9eqwa

Thespiralgoeson · 06-12-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by badfish22

^ya, the thinking was that charlotte would do just a pure salary dump. This is another one that ive seen were charlotte gets rid of two bad contracts and gets to keep wallace.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...tradeId=n9eqwa

Frankly I'm not crazy about those trades. I don't like Okafor at center, and I think we lose in those deals.

Justin Credible · 06-12-2009, 07:58 PM

That trade machine is silly at times..

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...tradeId=n4nbnu

Justin Credible · 06-12-2009, 08:12 PM

So many very silly trades.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...tradeId=nt8958

For the record, if the Mavs were able to pull of either one of those trades I'd be more than willing to offer my left testicle to Cleveland/Memphis/LA.

mqywaaah · 06-12-2009, 10:08 PM

I am totally open to watching some Gay action! Bring em on