Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread - Page 39 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Thespiralgoeson · 07-02-2023, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

"Grant Williams situation unlikely to be resolved before July 6th or 7th." Stein doesn't "see how the Celtics can match"

Seems like it's a two-dog race of Dallas and Charlotte and both teams have MLE the same money. Celtics the dark horse with the possibility of re-signing him.

Don't know how RFA works with two suitors. If Celtics look at the tax bill and balk, does Williams get a choice? If so, why would he go to play for the Hornets with:

1) all the uncertainty of ownership change
2) The history of withering talent on the vine
3) The #2 pick playing in front of him

If it?s really just between us and Charlotte, that?s very good news. If we manage to snag Williams, then it will have been a very successful offseason.

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2023, 02:13 PM

Miles Bridges back to Charlotte.

With him and Miller, I can?t see why Williams would want to be there.

Melonhead · 07-02-2023, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

"Grant Williams situation unlikely to be resolved before July 6th or 7th." Stein doesn't "see how the Celtics can match"

Seems like it's a two-dog race of Dallas and Charlotte and both teams have MLE the same money. Celtics the dark horse with the possibility of re-signing him.

Don't know how RFA works with two suitors. If Celtics look at the tax bill and balk, does Williams get a choice? If so, why would he go to play for the Hornets with:

1) all the uncertainty of ownership change
2) The history of withering talent on the vine
3) The #2 pick playing in front of him

I imagine charlotte can give Grant a bigger contract that Dallas?

Thespiralgoeson · 07-02-2023, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

I imagine charlotte can give Grant a bigger contract that Dallas?

I think both teams only have the MLE.

BPo001 · 07-02-2023, 02:38 PM

Eric Gordon to PHX. Here come the aging vets taking small deals to go to PHX to try and get a ring.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-02-2023, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Eric Gordon to PHX. Here come the aging vets taking small deals to go to PHX to try and get a ring.

I think they?re in for a disappointment because that Phoenix team is not winning a ring.

MFFL · 07-02-2023, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

"Grant Williams situation unlikely to be resolved before July 6th or 7th." Stein doesn't "see how the Celtics can match"

Don't know how RFA works with two suitors. If Celtics look at the tax bill and balk, does Williams get a choice?

Its whoever Williams signs an offer sheet with

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2023, 03:54 PM

Really no good UFA of value according to Fish

Mavs turning to RFAs like Williams (or we?re always pursuing Williams) and offer sheets can?t be signed until Thursday and finalized until Saturday

Other than the possibility of a trade, there won?t be Mavs news for a few days

Thespiralgoeson · 07-02-2023, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Really no good UFA of value according to Fish

Mavs turning to RFAs like Williams (or we?re always pursuing Williams) and offer sheets can?t be signed until Thursday and finalized until Saturday

Other than the possibility of a trade, there won?t be Mavs news for a few days

Am I missing something with Mason Plumlee? Seems like by far and away the best UFA still available.

MFFL · 07-02-2023, 04:57 PM

How Dante Exum Failed in the NBA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zZYCHz3qq0

Melonhead · 07-02-2023, 05:28 PM

Cody Zeller 1 year 3mill with pelicans

SMC0007 · 07-02-2023, 05:39 PM

The problem remains. Luka and Kyrie need to be a competitor in the POs. The idea of rolling with Hardy and Green is very dicey. We have not added anyone good enough to push those 2 back in the rotation. However Kidd will push those 2 back in favor of THJ, Bullock, Curry and it's a mistake.

We have to move some of these guys and we all know who. It won't be DP. As I've said before, he will retire and move right into front office.

We are not a Grant Williams away from a good offseason

Melonhead · 07-02-2023, 06:32 PM

Really thought we?d be able to clear out some of the overlap and one dimensional players. I would love to not see Bullock and McGee on the roster, simply so that Kidds brain dead ass won?t put them in the lineup.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2023, 07:07 PM

Saw that tidbit from Stein that Jarret Allen is perhaps available. Dear baby Jesus...

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2023, 07:42 PM

Ha! In the chat, Fish says that he?s hearing no one has offered Wood even the vet min of 2.7mill

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2023, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Saw that tidbit from Stein that Jarret Allen is perhaps available. Dear baby Jesus...

He?s available because he was unplayable in the playoffs

But still, he?s head and shoulders ahead of our guys and maybe he can get Lively ready by the playoffs.

Great guy too.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2023, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

He?s available because he was unplayable in the playoffs

But still, he?s head and shoulders ahead of our guys and maybe he can get Lively ready by the playoffs.

Great guy too.

He was unplayable because they needed him to be something he is not. The fit next to Mobley doesn't work, either.

That won't be the case here. And my god, he is 25 years old. Still some room to grow.

10 rebounds a game is needed.

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2023, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

If it?s really just between us and Charlotte, that?s very good news. If we manage to snag Williams, then it will have been a very successful offseason.

Its going to depend on him. Seems like Charlotte will be a nice fit for him to earn more money in the future. Dallas I would think would give him a better chance to at least contend.

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2023, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

He was unplayable because they needed him to be something he is not. The fit next to Mobley doesn't work, either.

That won't be the case here. And my god, he is 25 years old. Still some room to grow.

10 rebounds a game is needed.

Yeah Mobley is the 5 there. I don't see the fit there but could potentially see it here.

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2023, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

The problem remains. Luka and Kyrie need to be a competitor in the POs. The idea of rolling with Hardy and Green is very dicey. We have not added anyone good enough to push those 2 back in the rotation. However Kidd will push those 2 back in favor of THJ, Bullock, Curry and it's a mistake.

We have to move some of these guys and we all know who. It won't be DP. As I've said before, he will retire and move right into front office.

We are not a Grant Williams away from a good offseason

Having Kyrie for a offseason is already going to improve this team. They aren't a Grant Williams away but mind you this team made the WCF just a year ago pre Kyrie. They don't need big names they just need to surround Kyrie and Luka with better talent that isn't as one dimensional. And i'm expecting young players like Josh Green to be better. We might have to improve from within.

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2023, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Ha! In the chat, Fish says that he?s hearing no one has offered Wood even the vet min of 2.7mill

Wow he's not a bad basketball. Its funny before Kidd a team traded a 1st rounder for him. Now he's probably the best free agent available and no one will offer him more than the vet. minimum. Insane. Someone will get a good player for cheap.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2023, 08:37 PM

Ha, Fish still covers basketball? Not sure I can remember something he was right about or reported on that was correct.

I mean, it's pretty obvious there isn't much interest in Wood. You'd be nuts not to want him back at the minimum though.

SMC0007 · 07-02-2023, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Having Kyrie for a offseason is already going to improve this team. They aren't a Grant Williams away but mind you this team made the WCF just a year ago pre Kyrie. They don't need big names they just need to surround Kyrie and Luka with better talent that isn't as one dimensional. And i'm expecting young players like Josh Green to be better. We might have to improve from within.

We 100% have to improve from within. We also have a Jason Kidd sized hurdle to constantly jump over. If he is playing the tired old ineffective guys it's hard to do that.

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2023, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

We 100% have to improve from within. We also have a Jason Kidd sized hurdle to constantly jump over. If he is playing the tired old ineffective guys it's hard to do that.

Yeah let me rephrase that. We're going to have to improve from within without coaching. Or via trade. Help isn't gonna come through the draft this year nor is it gonna come from free agency.

Melonhead · 07-02-2023, 09:09 PM

Cleveland is open to trading Jarrett Allen more than advertised.

Mavs should do this. Thj and McGee and whatever else needed to make it happen. Not green or hardy

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2023, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Ha, Fish still covers basketball? Not sure I can remember something he was right about or reported on that was correct.

I mean, it's pretty obvious there isn't much interest in Wood. You'd be nuts not to want him back at the minimum though.

Didn't even realize she said Fish.....his football stuff is not credible at at all I don't really remember him much back when he did more basketball stuff.

I mean honestly i'd pay him far more than the vet. minimum. Almost like everyones colluding to keep him out of the league. Same for Westbrook. Not sure how or why he got that contract.

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2023, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Cleveland is open to trading Jarrett Allen more than advertised.

Mavs should do this. Thj and McGee and whatever else needed to make it happen. Not green or hardy

The problem is I don't really see why they'd take on Hardaway's deal but i'd for sure do it for McGee and THJ.

I'm convinced though the only way we get better is getting rid of one of our young guys.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2023, 09:28 PM

Good news is that rumors still stick by Zubac, Capela, and Allen being available in some capacity. Maybe less so with Capela.

And yes, I'd give up the 27th pick. I cared more about giving up picks like that when we didn't have young talent. Now we do. And I don't really care what happens 4 years from now when we need to win NOW. You get a legit center, and we're right back in it.

I can't handle going into camp thinking it will be Holmes vs Powell for the starting spot.

SMC0007 · 07-02-2023, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

The problem is I don't really see why they'd take on Hardaway's deal but i'd for sure do it for McGee and THJ.

I'm convinced though the only way we get better is getting rid of one of our young guys.

THj contract isn't really bad anymore. 17m, 16m. For any team that needs shooting, Even for a 6th man its decent. We just don't need that especially with Curry and Hardy at a much cheaper price. With his limitations, its a problem if he is ahead of Hardy.

I wouldnt let either Hardy or Green go this offseason. Not foe J Allen. Green needs to really step forward this season and realize that potential or he will be expendable. Hardy has something special and I think he breaks loose this season if Kidd doesn't get weird with rotations and playing time.

SMC0007 · 07-02-2023, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Good news is that rumors still stick by Zubac, Capela, and Allen being available in some capacity. Maybe less so with Capela.

And yes, I'd give up the 27th pick. I cared more about giving up picks like that when we didn't have young talent. Now we do. And I don't really care what happens 4 years from now when we need to win NOW. You get a legit center, and we're right back in it.

I can't handle going into camp thinking it will be Holmes vs Powell for the starting spot.

It means jack shit, but I think Holmes will be solid here if healthy. Aside from Kidd doing dumb, I don't think DP offers near as much. Other than knowing plays and getting hit in the face...what can DP do better than Holmes?

Not saying I wouldn't want those 3 you mention, but between DP and Holmes, I don't think it's close.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-02-2023, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

The problem remains. Luka and Kyrie need to be a competitor in the POs. The idea of rolling with Hardy and Green is very dicey. We have not added anyone good enough to push those 2 back in the rotation. However Kidd will push those 2 back in favor of THJ, Bullock, Curry and it's a mistake.

We have to move some of these guys and we all know who. It won't be DP. As I've said before, he will retire and move right into front office.

We are not a Grant Williams away from a good offseason

I think we are a grant Williams away from a good offseason. A good offseason in my definition doesn?t mean that you?ve addressed every single one of your needs and you?re ready to go out and compete for a title. It means you did everything you could with the tools available to you, and you put out a roster notably improved from The one in the season before.

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2023, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

THj contract isn't really bad anymore. 17m, 16m. For any team that needs shooting, Even for a 6th man its decent. We just don't need that especially with Curry and Hardy at a much cheaper price. With his limitations, its a problem if he is ahead of Hardy.

I wouldnt let either Hardy or Green go this offseason. Not foe J Allen. Green needs to really step forward this season and realize that potential or he will be expendable. Hardy has something special and I think he breaks loose this season if Kidd doesn't get weird with rotations and playing time.

Its not as much the salary but they just gave Strus a big deal so i'm guessing he's going to start for them them? Levert is a better player than Hardaway so id'd like to think he's their 6th man...so then it goes to 16 million for a 7th man? I'd rather spend the money elsewhere but maybe they think more highly of Hardaway then I do.

IN regards to Hardy and Green....its become clear to me that if we are going to upgrade its going to have to be for one of them. That's what it seems anyway. I think we're praying and hoping someone takes McGee off our hands is just wishful thinking.

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2023, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Good news is that rumors still stick by Zubac, Capela, and Allen being available in some capacity. Maybe less so with Capela.

And yes, I'd give up the 27th pick. I cared more about giving up picks like that when we didn't have young talent. Now we do. And I don't really care what happens 4 years from now when we need to win NOW. You get a legit center, and we're right back in it.

I can't handle going into camp thinking it will be Holmes vs Powell for the starting spot.

At one point Holmes was a good player and he's only 29. If he can't beat out Powell then something is completely wrong.

Zeus · 07-03-2023, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Cleveland is open to trading Jarrett Allen more than advertised.

Mavs should do this. Thj and McGee and whatever else needed to make it happen. Not green or hardy

Why not Green. We so overvalue the small incremental improvement of Green that we act like he is untradeable. OMax will likely be as good defensively as Green by midseason and Green is very up and down with limited upside offensively. If we need to make Green part of a package to get Allen so be it.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2023, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

At one point Holmes was a good player and he's only 29. If he can't beat out Powell then something is completely wrong.

Remember Wood coming off the bench before the season started last year?

Powell is their golden boy.

tap2390 · 07-03-2023, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Why not Green. We so overvalue the small incremental improvement of Green that we act like he is untradeable. OMax will likely be as good defensively as Green by midseason and Green is very up and down with limited upside offensively. If we need to make Green part of a package to get Allen so be it.

How many 22 year old guards are solid defensive and averaging 10 ppg on 54 FG% and 40 3P% ? Your hate for Green is blinding you. You don?t trade him unless you have Nic Claxton coming back.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-03-2023, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Why not Green. We so overvalue the small incremental improvement of Green that we act like he is untradeable. OMax will likely be as good defensively as Green by midseason and Green is very up and down with limited upside offensively. If we need to make Green part of a package to get Allen so be it.

I think you're underrating Green's improvement quite a bit. I wouldn't call it "small incremental" at all. He's turned into a legit 3 and D wing, and he's still got a ton of upside. A 22 year old 3 and D wing still on his rookie contract is maybe the single most valuable asset in the NBA today.

He's certainly not untradeable, but if we are trading him, it better be for something really good. Something that gets us significantly closer to competing for a title. Allen is good enough and young enough, and we're desperate enough at center, that I would consider it. But man I don't feel great about it.

I really think Green is a future franchise cornerstone. He reminds me quite a bit of Iguodala. I think the Luka/Hardy/Green nucleus could end up being something special we build around for years to come.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2023, 08:05 AM

Green for Allen? No. Green for Siakam? Hell yes.

saclare · 07-03-2023, 08:15 AM

I didn?t know that about the RFA process. If so, hope the plan is to go after Williams. Still, it is not without risk of matching or falling through. As someone else said (sorry, on phone), I?m more open than ever to trading the 2027 FRP to round out the roster upgrades for the off-season. I still think there will be a trade to clear some roster space and upgrade either wing/C positions, the latter of which seems to be more available on the market.

tap2390 · 07-03-2023, 09:05 AM

Hardaway, McGee, and '27 FRP for Allen makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Alternatively, you could do Maxi and Bullock for Allen and then use some combination of THJ/ McGee/ Holmes/ '27 FRP for a wing upgrade.

Yet another alternative is to get Mason Plumlee in on the MLE, and use the assets for a wing upgrade.